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Bad Hard Drive Problem
« on: March 31, 2018, 02:16:20 AM »
Hi,

   Okay, the problem is a small laptop computer with a bad hard
drive.  I tried a local computer repair guy, and he says that the
computer is so small and hard to work on that he thinks he will
break something trying to get the thing apart to replace the drive.

   Trying to reinstall Windows does not seem to work.  He and I
have both tried that, and things only go part way before a disk
error, or some other mishap.

   A BIOS option is to boot from a network.  Anyone know about
setting up that kind of server?

   A Sony Vaio PGC-U101 if that helps.

   Or just give up?  That would be a pity, but at least that's easy.

TIA,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2018, 02:22:51 AM »
I would work out how to change the disk if its a standard sized disk, probably a 2.5 inch drive. If its an older computer as the data says for XP, it probably only has a small HDD so if you can get the old one out, you could probably put in a 1tb or bigger into it. I did that with a small desktop a guy up the road gave me, it had a 40 gig disk in it so I extracted it and put in one of my old 1tb drives and it works fine. Funny enough I have no use for the computer, I still have my last 2 PIVs, both of which are far more poweful machines.
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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2018, 06:36:52 AM »
Hi Steve,

   Well, the hard disk is similar to one from an iPod.  Maybe 1.8
inch?  30 Gigs.  The problem is it is not easy to get to.  That's
why I tried a repair shop.

   I have replaced hard drives in some old HP laptops.  A couple
of screws, lift a cover,  and pull a tab.  The service manual is
available as a PDF.

   The Sony is different.  I tried to find a manual, but there is no
English version that I could find.  There might be a Japanese
manual, but I can't navigate the Sony-Asia site.  This model
was officially sold in the Asia market only.  And I cannot take it
apart enough to get at the drive using my usual Brownian
Motion style of repair (mucking about).

   I thought some data would be available from around the time
I bought it, but The Wayback Machine showed nothing.  There
was someone that replaced the hard drive with a solid state
drive equivalent around that time.  Took the connector off the
dead hard drive and wired it up to the new drive.

   I guess I could try a different repair shop.  But without some
kind of documentation, I don't expect a different result.  They
managed to build the thing to sell it, so it _should_ come apart
in some manner without destroying it.  And someone that spoke
English did do it as described above.  Or at least had such a web
page.

   NW Florida does not seem to be a weird Sony laptop approved
repair area.

   Thanks for the response.

Regards,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2018, 12:38:21 PM »
there is no
English version that I could find.  There might be a Japanese manual, but I can't navigate the Sony-Asia site.

Steve,

There is a chance: Try to paste the URL of that site into Google translate, make sure the source language is set to Japanese, and hit "Translate". Don't expect miracles, but you might even be able to navigate or search. It's worth a try, maybe you find something for your repair shop.

Another option: Try to find a repair shop owned by a Japanese 8)

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2018, 03:28:45 AM »
Hi Jochen,

Steve,

There is a chance: Try to paste the URL of that site into Google translate, make sure the source language is set to Japanese, and hit "Translate". Don't expect miracles, but you might even be able to navigate or search. It's worth a try, maybe you find something for your repair shop.

   Well, thank you for the suggestion.  I will try that when I get
to a better computer and connection than what I have at home.
(Shudder.)  I hope their Asia site is friendlier than their U.S. one.

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Another option: Try to find a repair shop owned by a Japanese)

   Or make a fool of myself asking for help at a Japanese
restaurant.  I think I can find one of those around here
somewhere.  "Any computer nuts in the family?"

Cheers,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2018, 02:11:33 AM »
Hi,

   I tried a different repair place, same result.  Though a faster
turn around.

   An option in the BIOS is to boot from a LAN.  Which seems like
an interesting idea to play with.  Has anyone used a computer
that boots from a LAN?  If so, how different is the user experience?
If a laptop booted that way, could it disconnect from the LAN and
still be usable?

   Has anyone here set up a boot server?  How does that process
rate in difficulty and expense?  Ideally supporting Windows XP on
the booting computer in this specific situation.

  It does not seem that this would have any practical outcome, but
it just sounds interesting.

Cheers,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2018, 04:08:47 AM »
Steve,

I checked the specs and it has a USB2 so if the HDD can't be replaced you could try out a USB can with a normal disk in it. Only problem is it may not boot off a USB drive.
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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2018, 05:57:58 AM »
Hi,

   Well it has the advantage that it will be very easy to test when
I get back home.

Thanks,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2018, 12:22:50 PM »
Hello sir Fortrans;
I have done this on past using xp 32 bits, I'm talking from memory, so I can't talk with details, but keyword is PXE and TFTP.

A computer inside your lan, you need install a program, I used "tftpd32". Just run this program and configure directory (folder) to be shared with client, you need this program running so client can access. The hard point is to find an image to be booted and that have drivers and configurations done to us, the difficulty is to find drivers to lan and to mount ntfs hard drive ("dosntfs")because we are on console environment. I know that you know about ms-dos commands, so this is easy part.
http://tftpd32.jounin.net/tftpd32.html
http://www.freewarereview.info/2007-06/tftpd32_for_windows_-_unleash_the_pxe_bios_network_boot_feature_within.html

On client side you plug the cable rj45 on a switch/router/(internal lan), and configure BIOS to boot from PXE or lan.
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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2018, 10:15:49 PM »
Hello, I found a cd-rom on my house that have 4 boot images that I download on past from internet.
Ops, the page that I downloaded is inactive or dead today, but I found a valid link on wayback machine where you can download. I followed that steps.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080704181501/http://www.lockstockmods.net/2008/04/26/easy-way-to-pxe-boot-windows/
https://web.archive.org/web/20080704181628/http://www.lockstockmods.net/downloads/

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I forgot to say, I forgot now but windows xp instalation have a specific command line to install windows over windows but without changing settings. This is good if you like to preserve drivers that are installed on not working windows.
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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2018, 03:35:10 AM »
Hi,

   @Dave:

   Thanks, I had seen some of those, mainly the Retro Review,
before.  I was at my Mother's over the weekend, and so got to
see most of the ones that showed up.  (My home system does
not do videos to any practical extent.)  None showed how to take
the thing apart to get to the hard drive as far as I could see.  I think
there used to be a web page showing how to install a SSD.  But it
no longer exists as far as I can tell, and the Wayback Machine does
not have it.  (Again assuming no CFIT.)

   @mineiro:

   Thank you.  Your information should take some time to read.
Much less try it out.  I guess I should get started...

Regards,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2018, 08:33:50 AM »
Just try that sir, the easy solution without open your computer.
Years ago, I found a Germany guy inside Brasil. He had the same situation, nothing working, no usb, no cd-rom, no floppy, only lan working. I was able to give their computer back again.
The hard part to others are not to us, ms-dos or linux commands.
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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2018, 01:32:53 AM »
Hi Steve,

Steve,

I checked the specs and it has a USB2 so if the HDD can't be replaced you could try out a USB can with a normal disk in it. Only problem is it may not boot off a USB drive.

   Gack.  I have too many boxes, power supplies, hard drives,
plugs, wires, and so forth.  It _should_ have been easy.  Not
hard, but it turned out to be quite a bit slower than anticipated.
Anyway...

   USB 2.0 box with an IDE hard drive containing a bootable
Windows XP image.  Error message, "mtldr not found", is the
same with the box on or off.  So presumably not available on
a cold boot.  Or not first in the hard drive hierarchy (seems
unlikely).

   If I boot WinXP from a CD-ROM, it is shown in DISKPART in the
service console.  I can do a DIR and see the root directory.

   On the internal drive there are three partitions.  A small partition
that I created to see if the bad sectors were at the front of the
disk, formatted and empty.  An unformatted partition where I
tried a few times to install WinXP.  And the original data partition.

   Formatting partitions on the internal drive does not indicate that
there are any recognizably bad sectors.  Or at least there are none
reported.

Regards,

Steve N.

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Re: Bad Hard Drive Problem
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2018, 02:32:26 AM »
Steve,

If you start with an XP install disk does the installer recognise the USB drive ?
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