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Ship collisions
« on: August 23, 2017, 03:21:18 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/22/politics/uss-mccain-7th-fleet-commander-dismissal/index.html

What do you think?

I do not know all the details but...

Two U.S. naval warships were hit by other commercial ships.

My brother was a sailor on the U.S.S. Nimitz.

He was fairly sharp.

Naval ships have the most advanced radar.

Are there sailors doing a visual watch ?


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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2017, 01:56:28 PM »
Some people think the US Navy is not what it was! My career was with the Navy (civilian contractor). Old buddies report discipline is not what it was, the changes have been bad, basic shiphandling skills not being beat in to the kids, as they must be. It's a tough job and no place for wimps, goof-offs, etc. But obviously they're going to say that no matter what! This may be a harbinger of things to come, or just a statistical blip. Wait and see.
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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2017, 05:01:42 PM »
There have been 4 incidents this year,and Having been a "Can" Sailor,I can say I wondered about these events. We had a very good Captain on the Destroyer I sailed on. The blame comes down to how in touch the Captain is with the crew. Discipline is a key factor,and if it is allowed to become lax it will hurt the chain of command.
Reading about this,I was surprised by the number,and mainly Destroyers. Among ships ,a destroyer is small,usually a crew of around 100.
You are only about 5 to 10 feet from deck to water. They are built to go "Through" waves" rather than go over.
I hope this is not a trend,I would hate to see any more casualties.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/navy-ships-crashing-readiness/index.html

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2017, 05:11:58 PM »
I should mention the watches are usually maned by seaman apprentice,and seaman ratings. some just out of Boot. so training and drills are essential.
Also a well trained deck crew is needed,and a very master "Boats" to lead them.

https://www.thebalance.com/boatswain-s-mate-navy-enlisted-rating-descriptions-3345786

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2017, 05:22:55 PM »
Having only seen the photos of the big dent at the side of the hull around the waterline it does look suspiciously like someone was not looking where they were going. Its a shame about the crew that got killed but somewhere in the chain of command someone needs their arse kicked big time for allowing this to happen. It seems rediculous that a ship of this size with what should be state of the art radar that they could miss something like this.
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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2017, 08:38:24 PM »
Four similar accidents in one month don't sound like a coincident. The radar these ships use would normally sound an alarm if they are on a collision course, especially with slow moving cargo ships, so it doesn't add up.

Upcoming headline: The navy signed an n billion dollar contract with company x to upgraded the radar systems a few months ago..

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2017, 08:50:14 PM »
Yes, it's "too bad" about the casualties, as Trump says. Many call for "tightening safety procedures". But no one seems concerned about operational effectiveness. If they can't handle ships in peacetime, what happens if there's a war? If all that matters is the safety of sailors, what's the point of a Navy? Wouldn't it be better if they all stayed at home, hiding under the covers? We could hire illegal South Americans (cheaper than a Navy) to bring them food and change their bedpans. They'd be perfectly safe. The way it is now, someone might start shooting at them! That would really be dangerous. Better get them off those high seas quick, and safe at home with Mommy.
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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2017, 11:57:16 PM »
Not sure how the radar and watches are handled now,but back when I was sailing(1966-69,your watch was using binoculars and keeping your eyes peeled. Radar is only so good,and a pair of keen eyes are needed. The one that happened before this latest one,it was said the merchant ship signaled the Destroyer,but got NO reply,so it seems that the watches and the wheelhouse were not paying attention. That is dereliction of duty ,and  a serious thing to be brought up on charges for,with the several deaths,it could become manslaughter,or worse. 
As RRR mentioned,it reflects a bad training and discipline issue. In WW2,if you screwed up,the ship might go down,and then YOU might be shark bait. Its a big ocean out there.

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 06:47:42 PM »
Not sure how true this is but  ;)

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 09:21:26 PM »
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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 10:32:40 PM »
He he, I already knew it  :greensml:

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 10:50:06 PM »

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2017, 01:33:56 AM »
Not sure how true this is but  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHXRYXzEVU

I have heard that tale before,it was  going around back in 1966. It is just a funny story,never actually happened.

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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2017, 08:11:37 AM »
We could hire illegal South Americans (cheaper than a Navy) to bring them food and change their bedpans. They'd be perfectly safe. The way it is now, someone might start shooting at them! That would really be dangerous. Better get them off those high seas quick, and safe at home with Mommy.
Some brazilians are now serving US army forces. They have seen an way to get a job and give support to their families. US also send to us some tanks that are getting obsolete to your needs but valuable to us.
US also have a finger on end of FARC at Colombia, but these things are not show on TV as we know.
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Re: Ship collisions
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2017, 01:59:34 PM »
It is sad for the loss of life.

My brother was on the U.S.S. Nimitz and he told me many details about the Navy.

He worked hard and was criticized by other Navy personnel for "working too hard".





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