Brexit?

[caballero]

England has demonstrated along the centuries to be able to overcome adversities. Nobody know what will be the referendum result, but the only need to rethink its situation within Europe is a matter to the reflexion, I thik.

Here are three reasons to britains for Brexit. Maybe I could resume all of them in this:

* Major control of immigration
* Distrust on the EU economic situation.

In any case I wish them all the best of luck.

[caballero]

Well, this is the great day, I guess. Surprisingly it is hard to find any reference of that in media

[rrr314159]

Brexiting may be more dangerous than you think! I'm in favor of it. Of course there will be some economic dislocations, but they should be pretty minor. Within a year or two Britain will be better off - except for one thing.

The last thing the Eurocrats want is to see Britain successfully exit! Everyone else will follow their example. So, in a year or so, when it starts to look like brexiting was a good decision - they will attack. They'll use every possible means, fair or foul, to make UK fail.

That's the hidden problem, and the reason why it will take a lot of that famous English courage and perseverance to pull this off. It will be much more difficult than it looks because everyone's ignoring the fact that EU will actively try to ruin them, as an example to the other slave states.

[caballero]

If I were British, I probably would vote for Brexit, otherwise it would be a lost opportunity face to the future looming.

In southern Europe are triumphing policy options that aim to significantly increase spending with the aim that northern Europe pay the bill through the ECB. Added this to the huge debt situation that already exists. But it seems that many people are delighted with this idea. I think that Mediterranean countries, where the Western civilization was borned, could have done much better.

As for many other countries follow the UK example. If I'm not wrong, at least in Finland there are already plans to do the same.

I have no doubt that due to the British courage character, they would soon recover its economy. Though it is possible that trade barriers were established. Without losing sight of the huge debt of British state.

On the other side, there's a no minor problem, with the fact that it seems that Scotland pretends to remain in EU thought UK don't.

Anyway, I think that the European project is already waste, though still not visible. A shame, I think it was a great idea.

[jj2007]

They'll use every possible means, fair or foul, to make UK fail.

Since the days of Maggie T., UK has used every possible means, fair or foul, to make the EU fail. That is why some people here will not cry bitterly if they say goodbye. Besides, "London" has acquired a connotation of casino capitalism that does not really evoke sympathy on the continent. The UK doesn't produce anything useful, they are just gambling with our money - that is the impression the average French, German or Italian cultivates after 40 years of having the British on board

One really odd thing is that the only chance for a successful brexit, after months of incessantly hammering anti-brexit campaigns, are tactical pro-brexit votes from the Scottish, who see a brexit as the only chance to rid themselves of London, through a second referendum. And of course, the media are campaigning against that option, too.

As to the dire economic consequences of a brexit: Yes, the laws of the market will cease to work immediately after a brexit. Plus, Volkswagen, Daimler and BMW will force Merkel to introduce high tariffs to protect themselves against British car manufactures, then [... fill in more crap here ...]

[rrr314159]

jj2007:  "London" has acquired a connotation of casino capitalism that does not really evoke sympathy on the continent. The UK doesn't produce anything useful, they are just gambling with our money ...

Sure I won't argue with that. At least, that's certainly the way it seems.

You guys don't quite get it when I say "any means fair or foul". That doesn't include only sharp, unethical, even illegal, economic maneuvers. For example it could include assassination. They would even assassinate one of their own, in order to blame it on Britain (or some other enemy). These people are playing for keeps.

[hutch--]

 

Look for the rouble, shekel, quid or buck behind it all and you will find where the action is. Pulling the strings for most of the currency is the murky global banking cartels who use the threat of destroying the economy if the government and population does not play by their rules. I have never supported the EU as I see it as an arrogant and dictatorial organisation that continues to use any method it can to support big money (the aforementioned banking cartels) at the expense of reducing populations to non voting serfdom.

I hope the English can buck the system and succeed in freeing themselves from this form of external control. I am not a globalist but a fan of independent countries that can isolate themselves from the excesses of world market fluctuations. If you look at who and what are supporting the REMAIN campaign, you have good reason to support the LEAVE campaign.

[rrr314159]

Well looks like they did it, 51 to 49 in favor of BRexit. No doubt the banking cartels got short before everyone else

[hutch--]

Banks have hit back already attacking the English pound. The English now need to R_Soul Cameron and elect a government for the English.

[caballero]

World is a wonderful chaotic system, as I see.

"London" has acquired a connotation of casino capitalism that does not really evoke sympathy on the continent

Don't know. London was always Eurosceptic, maybe for a country that dominated a big amount of the world centuries ago is hard accept losing sovereign. Nevertheless, I guess that this is not the question here. As for I've heard there are other countries that want to follow the London way. If I'm not wrong it sounds hard the names of Finland and The Netherlands. More over, it's important to realize that they voted Brexit even with the risk of losing Scotland.

But the party does not ends here. This Sunday, there are general elections in Spain, where there are real posibilities of reaching to the gov "Podemos", the equivalent of Syriza in Spain. With the same ideas: more spending payed by others, even using blackmail to the UE, as Syriza did. By the way [ironic] do we know anything of Greece this days with Syriza? [/ironic]

I do like the European project. The world's economy is dominated by "continents": North America, Southern Asia, with possible tendency to dominate the market. The European Union was necessary, that never liked to the United States, by the way. More over, there was many world wars started in Europe, it was time to do something constructive together. If I'm not wrong, Airbus engines are british if I'm not wrong (not useful?). Besides, to have a voice in the world, it is necessary to understand each other in Europe. Otherwise we will have to accept the fact that it is done what others say.

[hutch--]

Cameron has fallen on his sword and the English have just made a decision at last that may even serve their interests. Perhaps we will see some changes where the wealth of the country will stop funnelling into the pockets of the 1%.

[Mikl__]

[caballero]

Ha ha, Mikl__, it is very funny, except for the fact that I cannot read a word in russian!

[Mikl__]

1) GB - Excellent! Finally I went out. That misunderstanding only hindered me. Again, I can enjoy full sovereignty
EU - You still don't need for us
2) EU - Wait! I'm from the future. You must go back. Without you, everything went awry!
3) Germany lost her job. France adopted Islam. Belgium died. Italy? nothing happened with Italy. Poland flew into space, never to return. Sweden replaced. Holland became boring. (Drugs is an evil I have now for a healthy lifestyle!). Spain and Greece have been imprisoned because of debts
4) GB - Ha ha, I always knew you were nothing without me.
5) EU - But I'm not talking about you.
GB - What you said?
6) EU - He's such a cutie!
Scotland - Let go of me, damn AngloSaxon! I want to join their gang!

[caballero]

aha, much better now, thank you