The MASM Forum
General => The Colosseum => Topic started by: caballero on July 04, 2022, 08:42:04 PM
-
Insects, compared to any other form of livestock, use less land, less water, less energy, and produce a negligible amount of green house gas emissions, they provide incredible nutrition for those who experience food security and, on the other hand, they happen to be tremendously sustainable for our planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmxZwtOQnd0
I imagine that the upper social classes, politicians, etc. will make the effort to eat good steaks, even if they emit polluting gases. Someone has to make that effort.
-
He he, its all in the marketing, if you could make it look nice, it would become popular, work out a fancy name for it that was ecologically appealing and you could have a market winner. I mean, if the French can eat frogs legs, the plebs can eat processed cockroaches. :tongue:
-
He he, its all in the marketing, if you could make it look nice, it would become popular, work out a fancy name for it that was ecologically appealing and you could have a market winner. I mean, if the French can eat frogs legs, the plebs can eat processed cockroaches. :tongue:
not everyone likes eating peas,but a hamburger is more appeling,tried some soya based vegan alternatives
I always liked green beans,dont like so much green peas
so newest commercial markets hamburgers made of green peas
kinda backfires with me and others who dont like green peas
here we have annoying mosquitos and some anti-mosquito-gadget that fries them that everyone can buy,so invite to a mosquito barbecue ? :greenclp:
@caballero
any comparision between insects,good old ordinary cattle and the new Beef grown only as meatcells without the cow?
most carbon oxide with tractor fuel with ordinary farm vs electricity on beef growth?
-
It seems roasted grasshoppers are good food: pure muscle. Google for chapulines
-
It seems roasted grasshoppers are good food: pure muscle. Google for chapulines
I prefer the green grasshopper drink :tongue:
-
> the French can eat frogs legs
Here it is also customary to eat frog legs. I've tried them once and they were very appetizing, a taste very similar to chicken. Although I must say that it does not seem very correct to kill an animal just to take advantage of its hind legs. I would say that it is a dish that is usually served in bars with a beer.
(https://t2.rg.ltmcdn.com/es/posts/9/6/9/ancas_de_rana_fritas_27969_600.jpg)
The problem with eating insects is when public institutions are already asking people to eat less meat "because it harms our health and our planet" and, at the same time, it seems that they also encourage this new culinary facet. You will own nothing and you will be happy?
-
:biggrin:
> You will own nothing and you will be happy?
You will own nothing and you will have to eat bugs and be happy ? :badgrin:
-
You will own nothing and you will have to eat A LOT OF BUGS and be happy…
A few just wouldn’t satisfy the appetite. Just finding a suitable portion of insects would be so time consuming that you’d probably die of starvation whilst accumulating a sufficient bug meal. Might have to eat some frogs and lizards too, to supplement the bugs.
-
You will own nothing and you will have to eat A LOT OF BUGS and be happy…
A few just wouldn’t satisfy the appetite. Just finding a suitable portion of insects would be so time consuming that you’d probably die of starvation whilst accumulating a sufficient bug meal. Might have to eat some frogs and lizards too, to supplement the bugs.
for programmers most bugs are unedible concrete bugs and abstract bugs :tongue: :greenclp:
-
Hell no!!! I prefer a juicy steak.
(https://loveincorporated.blob.core.windows.net/contentimages/gallery/42a33494-9333-4b6c-aeb6-1687e5a63506-resting-steak.jpg)
-
The Dutch government announced on Friday the obligation to lower emissions by up to 70% in some places and even up to 95% in others, to protect nature.
The objective is to attack the emission of nitrogen from cattle that produces their digestion and feces and urine.
The Minister for Nature and Nitrogen Policy, Christianne van der Wal, assures that it is an "inevitable transition": "We have to emit much less nitrogen, and unfortunately the agricultural sector emits a lot of nitrogen. They have done a lot to emit less, but unfortunately it is not enough. We still have to reduce it much more".
https://es.euronews.com/2022/06/12/paises-bajos-los-ganaderos-en-contra-del-proyecto-de-bajar-la-contaminacion-de-nitrogeno#:~:text=El%20gobierno%20de%20Pa%C3%ADses%20Bajos,digesti%C3%B3n%20y%20heces%20y%20orina.
If farms and ranches are closed, what will we eat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDz1bvVaut4
PS: I did not know that the Netherlands was the second largest exporter of agricultural products at the world level. Very impressive. :thumbsup:
-
If farms and ranches are closed, what will we eat?
It's basically pigs, incredible numbers of pigs that produce incredible amounts of manure. Many years ago I made holidays in the North of the Netherlands. When you swam in one of the canals, you couldn't see your hands: the water was dark green. Today it's probably much worse.
Similar problems exist in Northern Germany, especially in the region around Vechta. If you see enormous maize fields, you know that the pig factories are near: no other plant tolerates such enormous amounts of "fertiliser" alias manure alias pig pee.
Not that raising cattle in Europe would be any better: one kilogramm of meat needs 15,000 litres of water for its production. In general, agriculture accounts for about two thirds of a country's groundwater use; 20% go to industry, much gets lost in old leaky canalisation, and a small fraction of about 10% goes to household use. Oh, and don't forget golf courses, they need incredible amounts of water for the lawns. A typical golf course uses as much water as more than 5,000 households.
-
Hell is breaking loose in the Netherlands.
This is what happens when your government is invaded by globalist activists from the World Economic Forum.
Like Canada, the Netherlands seems to be sliding into a dictatorship.
Finally people are waking up. Propaganda no longer works.
Nobody believes in the nitrogen narrative anymore.
https://twitter.com/Kees71234
Police shooting at farmers
https://twitter.com/i/status/1544552143826427904
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7yjcKWYAMDRTM?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW-FL-nXoAEXMHw?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1544576157051412481
https://twitter.com/i/status/1544454186615640066
https://twitter.com/i/status/1544447620973740034
-
I think there are some things that should be done in areas that are big enough not to be a problem. When you have large land areas like the US, much of south America, Canada, Australia, central Asia and some of Africa, have large cattle ranches, pig farms, agricultural areas and so on are best done there. You don't start a cattle ranch in Monaco.
-
Hi Marinus,
I have just started to pick up some info on the politics of the Netherlands, looks like the current government is kissing the arse of the US over Russian sanctions, lost its energy supply from the Russians and is trying to turn into a police state. One video I saw showed a tractor with bullet holes in it from a farmers protest.
There is a solution, get rid of the bastards, we have just succeeded in getting rid of a clapped out conservative government here in OZ and we have a new secret weapon, ALBO ! (our new PM).
-
lower emissions by up to 70% in some places and even up to 95% in other
These figures imply destoying practically the entire agri-food industry.
Farm waste can be used to extract methane and turn it into manure, both of which are scarce today. If there really was a problem of pollution produced by agri-food farms, I understand that the challenge would be managing to treat the waste. As for the use of water on farms, I think that Israel has managed to do wonders in a semi-desert terrain. Therein lies the challenge. If, on the other hand, what you do is kill all productive activity so that it is not polluting, what you will achieve will be to make the goods that have stopped being produced more expensive or even cause shortages, don't talk about direct and indirect jobs.
A few decades ago, when it was not a taboo subject, there was talk of the tons of daily garbage generated by cities of humans (not animals). And the population does not stop growing due to massive immigration, because the European population was and is decreasing due to the low birth rate.
As the salaries of politicians are paid by the working people, if the productive system is destroyed, I hope they will act accordingly, and lower their salary in the same proportion.
-
Farm waste can be used to extract methane and turn it into manure, both of which are scarce today
Please, caballero, visit the Netherlands, and check yourself the deplorable lack of manure in this beautiful country :tongue:
Video (https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/06/video-police-fire-shots-heerenveen-farmer-protest-actions-groningen-airport-today)
The suspects were arrested after a police action in which targeted shots were fired and warning shots were also fired. This happened during the protest, leading to a tractor allegedly driven by the 16-year-old boy being struck by a bullet. Images of the incident are circulating on social media, including the bullet hole. A video shows that officers appear to be on the road with guns drawn when a tractor with trailer drives past a police blockade. Then shots can be heard on the video.
...
A group of activists drove about twenty tractors to the police station
Then, according to the police around 10:40 pm, the situation gets out of hand. Tractor drivers try to drive into officers (https://nos-nl.translate.goog/artikel/2435611-reconstructie-wat-gebeurde-er-op-de-a32-bij-heerenveen?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
(https://nltimes.nl/sites/nltimes.nl/files/styles/news_article_full_desktop_2x/public/2022-06/FV2_6jJXEAMaPWb.jpg?h=ddb1ad0c)
-
There is at least some locations in the world where anything to reduce the locust plagues would be useful. If someone could work out a way to harvest them and make a buck$ out of it, it would serve more than one purpose. The problem may be the sheer quantity of locusts, apparently they occur in millions to billions and the scale to control it may be beyond human capacity.
The next factor is how you name the end product, call it puree of Cockroach and it may not be a winner, Locust guts probably would not hit the spot either but some enterprising individual with a creative grasp of marketing may come up with a name that attracts at least some people. If you can make vegan steak, you should be able to do it with cockroach guts as well, its all in the marketing. :biggrin:
-
a way to harvest them and make a buck$ out of it
That was my first thought, too, when I saw the locusts hitting East Africa in 2020 (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/gigantic-locust-swarms-hit-east-africa). The problem: they do that only every 10 years or so, and no chance to predict where that will happen. So you would have to build an expensive infrastructure of locust nets etc all over Africa and Asia that will be used every 10 years. Absolutely no chance to make that profitable.
-
Then, according to the police around 10:40 pm, the situation gets out of hand. Tractor drivers try to drive into officers (https://nos-nl.translate.goog/artikel/2435611-reconstructie-wat-gebeurde-er-op-de-a32-bij-heerenveen?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
NOS = fake news ( Dutch government controlled propaganda TV channel )
There is no evidence or video footage that tractor drivers try to drive into officers.
The police admitted this already and released the 3 farmers.
-
The Dutch "Minister for the Environment and Nitrogen", Christianne van der Wal, announced that 30 percent of livestock farmers would have to give up their farms. Those affected now have the choice of giving up their farms voluntarily and leaving the field or vouching never to practise their profession again - only then would they be compensated. Those who do not comply should be expropriated by the state, they say.
Also interesting in this context:
https://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/XXVII/J/J_11079/fnameorig_1447103.html
The FVD MP also wanted to know what exactly the underlying relationship or cooperation between the Dutch state and the WEF was. "Can you give an overview of all the agreements that exist between the Dutch state and the WEF? To what extent are the agreements made (legally) binding?"
The answer: "Dutch ministers regularly attend meetings organised by the WEF by invitation. There are also cooperation agreements with the WEF, which have been set out in agreements in the following areas: Sustainable Investment Policy, Tropical Forest Alliance, Food Systems Initiative, Food Innovation Hubs. The commitments set out in these agreements are legally binding."
"Wow", replies MP Pepijn van Houwelingen (FVD). The government admits that there are agreements with the World Economic Forum that are "legally binding"! Are these agreements public? What is the role of the House of Commons?
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
-
There is no evidence or video footage that tractor drivers try to drive into officers.
Exactly. The video you posted shows that the policeman is shooting at the Truck without being attacked.
https://youtu.be/wfHd2GF0TJM?t=37
-
Greenhorn,
Exactly. The video you posted shows that the policeman is shooting at the Truck without being attacked.
https://youtu.be/wfHd2GF0TJM?t=37
this must necessarily be fake news, because our GDI (Great Data Interpreter) says it. There is no area of expertise in which he isn't a complete specialist.
You can really trust him. [irony off]
-
This is how the WEF-controlled propaganda media works.
Think Jochen saw this video from the WDR. Deliberately cutting the video where the police officer shoots the farmer and the rest in this video is also largely fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZQK4i8-zk
They now know that the majority of people do not believe in the misleading news they spread.
So they had no choice other than to rectify this misleading news item.... :badgrin:
Hinweis: In unserem Video sagen wir zur Szene, in der geschossen wird, dass die Landwirte mit ihren Traktoren auf die Polizisten zugesteuert sind.
Dass sie auf die Polizisten zugefahren wären, ist die Sichtweise der Polizei.
Das hätten wir im Video deutlicher sagen müssen. :sad:
Hier haben wir die verschiedenen Sichtweisen zu den Schüssen und dem zugrundeliegenden Konflikt nochmal genauer aufgeschrieben - dort zeigen wir die Szene zu den abgefeuerten Schüssen auch nochmal in einem kurzen Video:
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/bauern-proteste-niederlanden-polizei-schuesse-100.html
The reality at the moment is that 1.2 million people cannot pay their bills in the Netherlands. Not long ago one of the richest countries, before the Globalists started stealing our wealth.
Creating crisis after crisis after crisis after crisis after crisis after crisis............
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXCtXY9XoAAHzSq?format=jpg&name=small)
-
Dutch Farmers Spray Manure On Government Buildings In Protest.
See here what's going on in my country you will not see on MSM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IG6FsVVFfc
-
You will certainly see that in the "MSM", too. Btw, is posting the private addresses of Ministers on social media so that farmers can throw manure in their private gardens compatible with your idea of democracy, Marinus?
-
:badgrin:
He he, it would be my idea of democracy, connecting to some crapheap politician that their policies are a heap of chyte is a great idea. I would not abject if they were throwing stones at the bastards, using an Australian expression for politicians, "Keeping the bastards honest".
-
You will certainly see that in the "MSM", too. Btw, is posting the private addresses of Ministers on social media so that farmers can throw manure in their private gardens compatible with your idea of democracy, Marinus?
Where does that come from??? Of course not, I don't see a link with democracy and this type of behaviour.
But it is an understandable reaction, they are threatened, beaten up, shot at and robbed of their income by this corrupt government for years now. They have nothing more to lose.
You know that some farmers have killed themselves?
I can ask you the same stupid question: Is the police firing at unarmed protesters compatible with your idea of democracy, Jochen?
Maybe it's now the time for you to pull your head out of the sand. :biggrin:
People have had enough of this globalist agenda bullshit.
BTW their addresses are not hidden or secret.
-
unarmed protesters
(https://nltimes.nl/sites/nltimes.nl/files/styles/news_article_full_desktop_2x/public/2022-06/FV2_6jJXEAMaPWb.jpg?h=ddb1ad0c)
-
Its my view that the French had the right idea of elitist power, separate their heads from the bodies, more phun for the crowds to watch. :biggrin:
Bullet holes in tractors tells you the story, these bastards were shooting at hungry and dispossessed farmers. These guys are fighting for their survival against some cock and bull story of fertiliser use, perhaps the right approach for the farmers is to cut production of food. We have already seen what the effect is of the Russians cutting energy supplies.
I don't understand the electon system in the Netherlands but if you piss off enough people, they tend to stop supporting a government that underperforms. We have just had that in OZ and got rid of a clapped out conservative government. The final wreckage you can do with a politician is to R_SOUL them, far better than the old eastern European system of assassinating them. They linger in misery, haunted by the loss of power until their demise.
Doris Bronson has just sobbed his swan song. :tongue:
-
The goal is often confused with the method to achieve it. The objective is the maximum benefit for the people and democracy is a method to achieve it.
If we assume, consciously or unconsciously, that the objective is democracy, in reality it does not matter what quality it is, because we already have the objective achieved.
Democracy is not a recent invention, but it already existed in ancient Greece and it failed, Plato had a very bad idea of it.
The ideal would be for the most qualified to be in government, but the truth is that the least qualified but most demagogues and unscrupulous tend to come to it.
When, in order to gain power or remain in it, we do things that are harmful to the well-being of the people, such as distributing unjustified subsidies that are not affordable for the public coffers, we will be in a democracy, but increasingly distant from the needs of the people.
-
The problem as I see it is there are democracies and there are democracies and there can be a lot of difference between them. The type you need to be wary about is elitism masquerading as democracy, you have the right to vote but you must vote or the best funded parties as they can swamp main stream media with election propaganda.
The other has something to do with people and what they want like something to eat, somewhere to live and reasonable security, something that the elitism model does not give them.
-
https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1553766314786922498/photo/1
-
I don't necessarily want to but I routinely eat
insects bugs. Usually during my first couple runs of a piece of new code that I'm working on. :rolleyes:
-
Hmm, sounds even less appetizing in Spanish: "las patitas de las cucarachas".
-
Its all in the marketting, boil up (or down) the cockroaches, grind the results into powder, supply it as an industrial resource and sell it to the fake food vendors. Of course give it a fancy name that will make it acceptable to the ordinary masses and tell them all sorts of stories about how healthy it is and someone could make it in the big time.
Now once the masses get used to eating reprocessed cockroaches, you could start on grasshoppers, set up a new trading technique for those folks who live in locust infected areas, invest in some decent catching methods and you would have a resource measurable in many tons that would also belp out the locust effected areas by reducing the crop damage.
All it takes is some shifty bastard who know how to market new and exciting foodstuffs and someone could end up making big bucks out of it. :tongue:
-
Its all in the marketting, boil up (or down) the cockroaches
Pleazzze, not the cockroaches! They look too human for my taste :cool:
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/mibbugedgarmekk.jpg)