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General => The Soap Box => Topic started by: hutch-- on March 02, 2023, 08:20:34 PM
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Your "Carbon Footprint" Is A Scam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgRTbTm91Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgRTbTm91Q)
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My first reaction was "oh no, he posts another stupid video from the climate change denier brigade", but after a minute it made me curious, and in the comments I found this:
My professor for my Environmental Issues and Changes that I took last semester constantly repeated in order to drill it into our heads that “the greatest scam in history is gas and oil companies convincing everybody that climate change is their own fault and that it is up you as an individual to fix climate change.”
Check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgRTbTm91Q&t=613s - a crucial point. Another one: we should get to decide... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgRTbTm91Q&t=832s)
This is actually a very intelligent movie, thanks, Hutch :thumbsup:
Another good one from the same guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA1T_0pZHXk&t=691s)
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And you can thank Shell for their honesty. :rofl:
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It is much my view that if you untangled all of the bullsh*t, Mann's J curve etc .... you could end up with a clear view of what is happening and what actions need to be taken to clean up the mess. I live in OZ where historically they are absolute experts at phuking the environment for a range of quick cash routines to government dictated phukups about land preservation.
Turning decent fertile land into degraded desert like areas often came by means of regulation. Over draining land so everything died, massive water erosion, then the normal bush fires, the list is long, but fortunately it has improved over time. The Murray Darling basin is still a disaster, mainly from water overuse and the ever present "green" assumptions of returning to a "natural" landscape reduces the available water for agriculture.
The propaganda of introspecting at your naval while contemplating suicide to save the planet has not delivered, the same people need to get off their arse and do something useful.
There is a culprit that cannot be controlled, the main energy source for the entire planet, the sun. Dealing with facts may get the job done, anal retentive refusals to do anything useful certainly will not.
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The Murray Darling basin is still a disaster, mainly from water overuse and the ever present "green" assumptions of returning to a "natural" landscape reduces the available water for agriculture.
Now you made me curious: what are the "green" assumptions that reduce the available water?
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Primarily the requirement of water flow at the river mouth in South Australia. They are addressing a real problem there but as usual, its over done.
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That's a hundred kilometres from Sydney, right? So what would be the right solution, let it dry up?
Over Christmas 2018 and January 2019 there were two mass deaths of fish in the waters of the basin, the first numbering 10,000, the second in the hundreds of thousands. Species affected were Murray cod, golden perch, silver perch and bony herring. Some blamed the draining of water from the Menindee Lakes by WaterNSW, with only 2.5% of the original water volume in the lakes being left
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The sad part is that there are trade offs in many situations, salinity in the Murray Darling basin is a problem because the original choice for the Murrumbidgee Irrigation Area was directly over an ancient salt pan and by over irrigating that area, it lifted the water table until salt appeared at the top which trashed even more land. The lesson was that close low volume irrigation reduced the water waste and did not flood the soil raising the water table.
Species loss is an uglier trade off, making fish farms may help here but wasting massive volumes of water to keep a habitat in its "natural" state is an act of stupidity. Remove the trappings of modern conveniences, food supplies, heating in the cold and so on and those who preach going without will whistle a different tune.
Another of the many phukups in OZ was clear felling old growth forests. Some were quickly replanted and over the last hundred years have turned into forest again but many areas were destroyed and with topsoil loss, are very hard to recover. The dust storms that have ocurred in Melbourne wre the end result of clear felling and there are still greedy bastards that will try and make a buck if they get a conservative state government to allow them to destroy even more.
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Hey, old friend, you are turning environmentalist, it seems! Be careful, it can be painful at times understanding the complexities of Bolsonaro style human behaviour.
Btw the best way to deal with water problems is to charge something for it. It seems that in the Murray Darling basin they are "allocating" water, which usually means that the poor farmers get it for free, and thus have absolutely no reason to switch to water-saving techniques, as in Israel (https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2017-07-04/ty-article/how-israel-can-help-a-thirsty-world/0000017f-e095-df7c-a5ff-e2ffb6540000).
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A problem not well understood in Australia is that people on the land do it a lot harder than many think. Instead of the "Range Rover" generation that has been sold as a public image of a luxurious lifestyle on beautiful green pastures, many of these poor bastards live in poverty on the borders of starvation with a known risk of family suicide so kicking them in the guts with prices they cannot afford only accelerates the misery they are subject to.
Corporatisation of farmland is one way of driving more people off the land and our friends in China took advantage of this buying up many properties to try and own an ever larger amount of land in OZ for their own food security but our federal government stopped that and to be clear, many other countries have done similar here in the past.
The cost of corporatised farming is its main driver is money and it can be done by pumping fertiliser into the land, progressively thinning out the topsoil level and when its no longer directly profitable, they abandon it.
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Agreed, Hutch. Yesterday I got curious, so I went to Google maps and looked at the Murray Darling basin. I saw some blue spots, so I thought "lakes, how nice", and zoomed in. Well, it didn't exactly look like this lake:
(https://www.campinglagomaggiore.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/camping-lago-maggiore-02.jpg)
Then I used street view to go even closer, and yes, there's misery in the Murray Darling basin.
That doesn't change my view, however, that asking money for the water would be the best option.
First, it forces farmers to think twice how they irrigate and which plants to grow. If they don't, nature will force them to emigrate in the medium and long term - and that would not solve the misery problem, right?
Second, it generates additional regional tax income that can be used to enhance the infrastructure, like schools, roads, waste water treatment and the like, thus making it more attractive to young farmers to stay in the area.
As to corporatisation of farmland: give away the first 10,000 litres of water per day free. A simple scheme that favours small farmers (for comparison: my water bill says the members of my family use 150 litres per day).
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We may have to differ over this one, putting a price on water has an end result, higher suicide rates, abandoning the land, further land degradation and anything that can be exploited by the corporate sector until its no longer profitable which is then abandoned by them as well.
Rural life is often difficult in OZ, droughts, the stupidity of governments, seriously fluctuating commodity prices, dumping from other countries are all problems that farming in OZ faces. upping the cost to small farmers just adds to the problems they face.
Before WW2 in the early 1930s, my father lived on a wheat farm in West OZ, they had to abandon the land as what they could get for the grain was less than what it code to sow it.
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Putting no price on water has an end result, too: it gets wasted, and eventually you have to abandon the area. I don't say "make them bleed", I say "make them reflect on how to irrigate, and redistribute the money inside the area". Even a small price will have a beneficial effect. There is a strong consensus among economists that "free" resources are the road to disaster, there are just too many examples out there.
I found a nice site (https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/agriculture/water-use-australian-farms/latest-release):
Murray Darling Basin
The volume of water stored across much of the Murray Darling Basin increased following above average rainfall during the first quarter of 2021. Improved water availability in 2020-21 resulted in:
a 79% increase in the volume of water applied to crops and pastures
a 67% increase in the number of hectares irrigated for crops and pastures
a 15% increase in the number of businesses irrigating
Irrigated agricultural land
In 2020-21, the Murray Darling Basin accounted for 60% of all irrigated land in Australia, with 1.2 million hectares:
284,300 hectares of pastures and cereal crops used for grazing (up 40%)
276,000 hectares of cereal crops (excluding rice) (up 125%)
182,700 hectares of cotton (up 315%)
Have a look at the "Water applied" graph, and especially at the cotton column. It rained a bit more in the last two years, and farmers invest like hell in cotton because, hey, water is cheap? This is just plain stupid.
If you know what to look for, you can find more info (https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-07-25/murray-darling-basin-plan-how-much-water-to-grow-cotton/8742234#:~:text=Rice%20requires%20more%20water%20than,use%204.9%20megalitres%20per%20hectare.).
Btw I will never understand why hi tech nations like Australia and most of the EU insist on being agriculture champions - let the Indians or the Africans produce cotton. It turns out, though, that Kenya is the champion for hi tech flower agriculture. Weird.
5 Most Water Intensive Crops (https://claroenergy.in/5-most-water-intensive-crops/)
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At the top end of Australia is a massive dam on the Ord river, water is not the problem, distance and lack of infrastructure is the problem. They have tried cash crops like cotton but transport costs among others make it unviable. I am extremely wary of putting a price on everything, it panders to the wealthy, not the population. Australia is a Commonwealth, not a money defined distribution of assett.
In a pay for everything political system, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the European, American and similar economic models are not societies, the are economies only and that disease is destroying them. Levelling the playing field gives more people the chance of earning a living
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https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-facts-that-a-disturbingly-large-percentage-of-Americans-are-ignorant-about/answer/Colin-Riegels
The Western part of America is gripped by a drought so serious that they are struggling to come up with new names for it. It is the driest 22-year period the south-west has seen in 1,200 years. The current name is ‘megadrought’, but they need to move to something new soon as the drought continues to get deeper.
It has lasted decades now, but each year it aggregates. We have already reached the point where hydro generation has had to shut down in some areas. They predict in 2023 we will reach the situation where various rivers simply stop sending water downstream as the water is stuck in ‘dead pools’.
People in the southwest are aware, but outside of it much less so. But despite the parlous nature of the situation, only relatively modest attempts to cut water consumption have been implemented. People still heavily water their lawns in the area, and agriculture (often with state subsidies) gobbles up the precious resource
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Unfortunately, without more reservoirs a huge amount of that rainfall is just going back to the ocean. We’ll need several years like this to restore our groundwater aquifers, which are being sucked dry in order to grow almonds, for the most part.
Every time I see a new almond orchard planted my blood pressure rises.
Like… I’m not progressive socialist by any means, but c’mon. We know the water table is dropping. We know almonds require a great deal more water than most other crops — and it doesn’t help that a lot of almonds get turned into almond milk which takes even more water and oodles of power to boot.
Vegans bitching about cow farts while sipping their almond milk smoothies disgust me.
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Marketing farmed goods from drought areas is actually extremely lucrative — it is why dates from Iraq are so sweet, watermelons from Xinjiang are so popular, and almonds from California so marketable. This happens to also be a strong point of rural development at the cost of everyone else, which is why there is so little opposition in those areas.
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Lake Mead water levels, 1940 to Feb 2023:
(https://arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/charts/Lake%20Mead_height.png)
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I know of the effects in the western US, someone I know posted a lot of video of Lake Mead recently and its water level has seriously dropped. Its relatively common to see scapegoating when natural disasters hit and often with blame being passed to some people for reasons that do not make sense.
The bubonic plagues is successive waves wrought havoc from central Asia to western Europe and among the reactions were flagellants assuming that the terrible plagues were the wrath of God yet in modern times, it is well understood as a contractable disease.
The real problem in western US and parts of rural Australia is the rainfall is far too low for what many people want to be able to do in effected areas. I don't know the real history of the US over the last couple of hundred years but much of the old wild west was hot, dry and dusty and it extended into the 1930s with the dustbowls during the depression.
Climatic history in OZ goes well back before the 20th century and the reasons are well understood, Pacific side is subject to the southern oscillation, western and nothern side are subject to the reverse of the monsoon season in India and the bottom of Australia is a very hostile place in the winter, driven by the great southern ocean.
In the late 18th and much of the 19th century, serious prolonged droughts wiped out farming in many areas, south OZ had an 80 year drought
that trashed farming in the inland areas well before 1900 and none of this can be blamed on SUVs or cows breaking wind, its the way to world has been for a very long time.
You may wonder why I am not impressed by the current "green" movements and its for an obvious reasons, people sitting on their arse mouthing platitudes while doing nothing to solve known problems, gluing themselves to roadways to prevent trucks passing as a protest and pushing for everyone else to go cold and hungry (except themselves). There is a solution, run over a few of them (sorrrrrry) and that will stop. :tongue:
There are a few doing useful things, the young guy from the Netherlands, Boyan Slat is doing great work to not only clean up garbage in the sea but is contributing to catching vast amounts of garbage in developing countries that are too poor to provide systematic garbage collection.
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people sitting on their arse mouthing platitudes while doing nothing to solve known problems
What exactly should they do to stop Exxon & friends?
Speaking about agriculture: you might like this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFh3I-7gSI) :cool:
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> What exactly should they do to stop Exxon & friends?
Give them even more "green" targets to invest in. They desperately want to get out of the BIG OIL industry, leaving it to the Saudis and Russians, find something they can make a buck$ out of and you will have redirected them to a new field that they can try and take over. :tongue:
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General pollution is more of a problem than 'Carr.. rrrrbon'. :skrewy:
Carbon is the spice of of life... and these fag enterprises of global warming, climate change ....carbon footprint... :joking: :joking: :joking:
A volcano just clears it throat and there's more than enough sh.t floating around that human's can ever dream up. :dazzled:
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New in the Netherlands: A course for climate activists with an imminent burnout.
People who feel alone in their fight against climate change train their resilience in a series of meetings.
There were so many applications that there will be a second round. :joking:
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I agree with Van, when the planet has a belch (volcanic eruption) complete with pyroclastic flow, the volume is truly massive as the planet is truly massive. Would every cow on the planet breaking wind in unison equal the planet having a belch ? Doubt it. :tongue:
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Would every cow on the planet
Forget cows, they produce less than 10% of anual methane emission. And forget methane because anual appearance is close to anual disappearance.
CO2 can be a problem in the future if concentration continue rising. Nobody knows.
The problem with warming it's not heat. Apparently have associated extreme climatic events, and that could be problematic in current society.
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We don't have a Climate Crisis
▪️ We have a masculinity crisis
▪️ We have a depopulation crisis
▪️ We have a birth rate crisis
▪️ We have an excess death crisis
▪️ We have a culture crisis
Unless we fix this, the climate won't matter anyway because civilization will be gone.
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Marinus, this much be before starvation sets in, they all look too well fed in the photo. :rofl:
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This is just before the Now What? :joking:
Those silly environmentalists......
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Hector, apart from flatulent cows, add all the SUVs, international aircrafts flying long distances, coal fired electricity generation (gas too), ordinary cars, diesel trains, anything else you can think of and compare it to the months of eruptions on La Palma belching CO2 and a large array of volcanic solids, not even a competition.
I am far more interested in pollution, a sea full of microscopic plastic, dangerous toxic chemicals in the sea, clear felling forests, radioactive land fills, rivers in underdeveloped countries full of toxic garbage (an ever increasing list). The young guy from the Netherlands doing the ocean cleanup is a genuine hero that is doing something useful.
An American paper company wanted to creat a paper manufacturing plant in northern Tasmania, they grow trees there for that purpose but they also wanted do dump massive volumes of chlorine in the sea and chucked a tantrum over the development being blocked. Clean up what you can, try and preserve what you can't and forget the beautiful people sobbing not so silently while living in effluent (ahem affluent) societies trying to develop a morality for their lifestyle.
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CO2 is the subject, and nobody know about that at global level. Volcanic emissions look impressive but apparently have very little relevance in CO2. Big volcanic explosions reflect solar radiation then make climate colder, not warmer.
Contamination, erosion, and other problems you and Siekmansky mention are really critical. Without doubt, and they are now!
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▪️ We have a depopulation crisis
▪️ We have a birth rate crisis
▪️ We have an excess death crisis
These aren't a real problems ?
Do we actually need more people ?
Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities? (https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities)
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I don't know anyone more capitalist than an anti-capitalist. That is to say, they do not like the capital in the pocket of another, but they love it in their own. And it seems that they don't know any other way to achieve it than by destroying everything in their path.
> Do we actually need more people?
I agree with that, we should control the increase in population, but it does not seem that we are going in that direction. Spain had about 40 million inhabitants about 30 years ago and going down. Today it has more than 47 million due to the massive immigration force, that people like you have provoked.
On the other hand, there is the scam of the welfare state, which is a pyramid system. What you have contributed to the state is not saved for when you retire or get sick, that is paid by the people who are working. So when those of us who work are almost even with those who don't, we have a sustainability problem that we "solve" by stealing money from the people of the future through debt issues, which will have to be paid. It is stolen in the past, in the present, and in the future. Fantastic. One of the mantras regarding mass immigration was that they were going to pay us pensions, what pensions? In a low-productivity economy, it doesn't matter how many people you put into the system.
But without a doubt, you know much more. We are in a good way.
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CO2 is the subject, and nobody know about that at global level.
Tens of thousands of climate scientists are studying the subject. They don't have 100% certainty, which is normal in science, but "nobody knows" sounds a bit like Fox News and QAnon combined.
Volcanic emissions look impressive but apparently have very little relevance in CO2. Big volcanic explosions reflect solar radiation then make climate colder, not warmer.
Correct (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-volcanoes-co2-idUSL1N2XV1HA):
An eruption of Italy’s Mt. Etna, Europe’s highest and most active volcano, does not produce “10,000 times” more carbon dioxide (CO2) than “mankind has in our entire time on earth”. Contrary to a years-old meme containing this false statement, the combined activity of all volcanoes on earth is actually estimated to be a fraction of the CO2 emitted by human activity.
The meme reads: “That one little burp by Mt. Etna has already put more than 10,000 times the CO2 into the atmosphere than mankind has in our ENTIRE time on earth but don’t worry a scam is in the works to tax you your minuscule footprint.”
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An iteration posted on Twitter on June 2, 2022 has been retweeted nearly 9,000 times as of the writing of this article
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In an email to Reuters, Boris Behncke, vulcanologist at the Etna Observatory of Italy’s National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV) ( here ) described the meme as “complete nonsense” and “misinformation”.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey ( here ), published scientific estimates of the global CO2 emissions for all on land and submarine volcanos “lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year.”
Assuming an average of 0.28GT, that makes it 0.78% of human emissions.
Contamination, erosion, and other problems you and Siekmansky mention are really critical. Without doubt, and they are now!
Yes, they are now, and global warming is far in the future. However, my kids will see the effects "far in the future", and therefore it is a concern for me now.
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Yes, they are now, and global warming is far in the future. However, my kids will see the effects "far in the future", and therefore it is a concern for me now.
:biggrin: If you want worry I have a better one (not so in the corner like Timo's nuclear thing)
Last week I followed (was obligatory) a serie of conferences related to RAM (Resistence to antibiotics). And forecasting is that around 2050 all bacterias will be resistents to antibiotics we known today. Then no more rutinary quirurgic interventions, and any flu can be the last.
Ten years ago was looking like something in the distance. Now is here. Really bad.
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around 2050 all bacterias will be resistents to antibiotics we known today.
Bad indeed, but there is hope that new antibiotics will solve the problem (with or without the help of GPT-87). Global warming is a hundred times more difficult to stop. Not impossible, but much more difficult, especially against an armada of fossil fuel companies and their friends in the "socials".
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> Not impossible, but much more difficult, especially against an armada of fossil fuel companies and their friends in the "socials".
And its even more impossible to stop when you attribute the problem to its real cause, the sun. :tongue:
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its real cause, the sun. :tongue:
No comment.
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Bad indeed, but there is hope that new antibiotics will solve the problem
:sad: Wrong. There is no hope. Anyway we can be lucky.
the problem to its real cause, the sun. :tongue:
A couple of years ago, I saw a presentation of PhD project that will try to begin a sun weather forecasting. It's projected a little satellite constelation around the sun, because from here we only can see with detail an small portion of sun equator. The first probe was in position in 2019. Because I don't see nothing more I searched, and happen that the is not "sunstationary" but have an orbit that is close to sun short time (because 1200°C in sensor face) and then cross Venus orbit. So far there was 4 aproximations or so. The minimun necesary are 4 satellites making simultaneus observations. Perhaps that will take some time :biggrin:
Sorry my memory, was 14th aproximation. Now is going to 15th. NASA's Parker Solar Probe (https://www.space.com/parker-solar-probe-epi-hi-instrument-glitch)
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After 50 years of fear mongering by so-called Climate experts, nothing came of it in reality, because it was sheer lies and/or incompetence.
Don't worry about your children and grandchildren, they will live in the same state of nature as we do, but probably much poorer and more unhappy because we will not stand up against the regimes that are now emerging, they take our money and try to control us in every facet of our society.
That is the real threat to our posterity.
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Bad indeed, but there is hope that new antibiotics will solve the problem
:sad: Wrong. There is no hope. Anyway we can be lucky.
New drug candidate fights off more than 300 drug-resistant bacteria (https://www.acs.org/pressroom/presspacs/2022/acs-presspac-august-10-2022/new-drug-candidate-fights-off-more-than-300-drug-resistant-bacteria.html)
One of many candidates. It's easy compared to saving 300 Million Bangladeshis from uncontrollable floods (for example).
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candidates
:thumbsup: we can be lucky.
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New drug candidate fights off more than 300 drug-resistant bacteria (https://www.acs.org/pressroom/presspacs/2022/acs-presspac-august-10-2022/new-drug-candidate-fights-off-more-than-300-drug-resistant-bacteria.html)
One of many candidates.
Maybe. Maybe. They say "The researchers say that this compound, fabimycin, could one day be used to treat challenging infections in humans." But how many times have we heard this same phrase, with a different name of a "miracle compound"? Bacteria will find a way around just about anything we oh-so-clever huemons can throw at them.
Maybe it's time to invest more research into bacteriophages (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493185/). Let those little critters duke it out. (They're amazing li'l organisms.)
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bacteriophage technology is old Russian based in Georgia and it can do some very useful things. The war in Georgia did not help in that many samples were lost with the failure of refrigeration but it is not subject to the weaknesses of anti-biotics and can be tailored to a current outbreak of bacterial infection in a matter of weeks instead of decades like anti-biotic development, and at a far lower cost.
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Maybe it's time to invest more research into bacteriophages (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493185/). Let those little critters duke it out. (They're amazing li'l organisms.)
Invented over 100 years ago (https://health.ucsd.edu/news/topics/phage-therapy/pages/phage-101.aspx), they were pushed strongly over 20 years ago (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC90351/). But still not sold over the counter...
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Interesting side effect, my antibiotic usage over a lifetime has been very low and in the past, if I had to use them, i took them correctly at the right spacing and always finished the course. It means some of the drugs that have have been rendered ineffective by antibiotic over use still work fine on me. I do my absolute best to avoid medications so that on the odd occasion where I need them, they work correctly.
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Maybe it's time to invest more research into bacteriophages (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493185/). Let those little critters duke it out. (They're amazing li'l organisms.)
Invented Discovered over 100 years ago (https://health.ucsd.edu/news/topics/phage-therapy/pages/phage-101.aspx),
There, FIFY.
they were pushed strongly over 20 years ago (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC90351/). But still not sold over the counter...
Heh; over-the-counter bacteriophage treatments are kinda like those backyard nuclear power plants I used to read about in Popular Mechanics back in the 60s-70s ...
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JJ, from that bacteriophage link you provided (a good one), this:
Compounding the latter problem, most pharmaceutical companies are reluctant to dedicate resources to phage therapy development and commercialization. That’s because phage therapy is almost 100 years old, making it difficult to patent and generate revenue to justify the initial development costs.
Perhaps the real reason we're not seeing any movement on that research front: the greedy bastards can't make enough $$$ on it.
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> the greedy bastards can't make enough $$$ on it.
That hits the nail right on the head.
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Invented Discovered over 100 years ago (https://health.ucsd.edu/news/topics/phage-therapy/pages/phage-101.aspx),
Bacteriophage therapy was invented
Heh; over-the-counter bacteriophage treatments are kinda like those backyard nuclear power plants I used to read about in Popular Mechanics back in the 60s-70s ...
Nice analogy :thumbsup:
Perhaps the real reason we're not seeing any movement on that research front: the greedy bastards can't make enough $$$ on it.
Certainly an important reason, but not the full explanation. There are plenty of drugs with no patent protection that still get produced and marketed. My best guess is a) they don't work everywhere plus b) they are often more costly than the simpler alternatives, i.e. traditional antibiotics. Penicillin costs a few cents per dosis.
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Shame about the ever increasing antibiotic resistence. The time left is short and bugs keep adapting around them. When antibiotics were being pumped into cattle feed to reduce the cost of maintaining healthy cattle, at least if you were a meat eater, you got you antibiotic resistence for free.
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Shame about the ever increasing antibiotic resistence. The time left is short and bugs keep adapting around them. When antibiotics were being pumped into cattle feed to reduce the cost of maintaining healthy cattle, at least if you were a meat eater, you got you antibiotic resistence for free.
Don't be mean with Dutch farmers, Hutch...
Gloating over people who have lost their lives or businesses, shame on you!
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> Don't be mean with Dutch farmers, Hutch...
Have you mixed up excess nitrogen in the soil with antibiotics ? :tongue:
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Climate alarm $cientists are in panic and seek help from climate psychologists. There is a record amount snow in the Northern Hemisphere.
Mainstream media is silent.
Source : Finnish Meteo
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Rookie mistake, Siekmanski: you're confusing weather with climate.
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something to read:
Atmosphere and climate (https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zpykxsg/revision/1)
Polar Climate Change as Manifest in Atmospheric Circulation (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40641-018-0111-4)
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something to read:
Atmosphere and climate (https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zpykxsg/revision/1)
Polar Climate Change as Manifest in Atmospheric Circulation (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40641-018-0111-4)
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BBC: Hadley, Ferrel and polar cells explained
In the Northern Hemisphere, there appears to be a “tug-of-war” between the opposing effects of Arctic near-surface warming and tropical upper tropospheric warming
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> you're confusing weather with climate
climate produced weather, weather indicates climate. :tongue:
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There is a record amount snow in the Northern Hemisphere.
That is a well known effect of warmings. More water in air, more rain and more snow.
And add some complications to study ancients ice cores, specially more local variations.
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There is a record amount snow in the Northern Hemisphere.
That is a well known effect of warmings. More water in air, more rain and more snow.
And add some complications to study ancients ice cores, specially more local variations.
Colder weather is the effect of warming????
Yeah of course, what else can you say if observations don't match with the climate scam narrative.....
The climate $cientists told us many years ago our kids would never see snow again.
More snow is always combined with much lower temperatures or else it would rain.
Look at the recent situation ( cold and snow records ) in the USA and the rest of the northern hemisphere.
Could it be an indication we are entering a period of global cooling??
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The climate $cientists told us many years ago our kids would never see snow again.
Recent Alps snow cover decline ‘unprecedented’ in past 600 years (https://www.carbonbrief.org/recent-alps-snow-cover-decline-unprecedented-in-past-600-years/): The duration of snow cover in the Alps is now 36 days shorter than the long-term average – an “unprecedented” decline over the past 600 years – according to recent research.
(15 February 2023)
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Colder weather is the effect of warming????
:biggrin: :biggrin: Just snow!
You assume snow and cold are same thing, but that is totally wrong.
More water in air, more snow. In warmings there is more water in air.
That make a lot of complications in ice cores studies and interpretation, because they are snow compressed.
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Climate change is like a box of accumulated sine waves of different frequencies. :biggrin:
Periods of warming and periods of cooling as it has been throughout history, nothing to worry about.
Human influence is negligible. We are safe for the next 4000 to 5000 years and then we will adapt.
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Recent Alps snow cover decline ‘unprecedented’ in past 600 years (https://www.carbonbrief.org/recent-alps-snow-cover-decline-unprecedented-in-past-600-years/)
:thumbsup: Is falling of snow or rain. I some places accumulate snow, in some no, and in most places only rain.
You can't study so much about ancients rains, but there are places with ancient snows. :biggrin:
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Climate change is like a box of accumulated sine waves of different frequencies. :biggrin:
Periods of warming and periods of cooling as it has been throughout history, nothing to worry about.
Human influence is negligible. We are safe for the next 4000 to 5000 years and then we will adapt.
What you write is completely wrong, but, given your age, you have nothing to worry about. Unless you have kids, of course.
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There was no political mandate given anywhere in the world for the economic suicide of climate change to effect the destruction of society.
Free people were not asked. There was no public debate, just a bogus fear campaign & hysteria.
It's time to rethink our Marxist enslavement.
:biggrin: Yes , I have kids and they are very smart critical thinkers and not as stupid as this kid:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqmtBjcXoAEoE69?format=jpg&name=medium)
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There was no political mandate given anywhere in the world for the economic suicide of climate change to effect the destruction of society.
Wow, I am deeply impressed :tongue:
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I regularly hear that people in my former left-wing bubble are baffled about “how such a once intelligent boy has now become a science denier” :thumbsup:
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> Wow, I am deeply impressed
I have no doubt that kissing the arse of George Soros is an enlightening experience. Since the third Reich was such a flop, the new fourth Reich is slimier and smarter and tries to impliment its agenda by stealth until it achieves its desired level of control. You can see how effective it was with the ethnic cleansing of Krajina, the annexation of Kosovo, the destruction of Libya and that special skill of pissing off all of the African countries that it has exploited over time.
We would not want to talk about Stepan Bandera and his followers, implimenting their policies of decimating inferior races to achieve a new version of the purified master race. The only real problem here is those Slavic speaking inferior races have the audacity to keep fighting back and the fourth Reich does not have the military grunt to stop them.
Seems that a bunch of tatooed skinheads are not in the same class as real nazis[tm] like Reinhardt Heidrich, they are just a bunch of jurkoffz trying to ape a world that is long gone.