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General => The Soap Box => Topic started by: hutch-- on March 11, 2023, 06:16:28 PM
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I found it on rt.com and I don't know if its published anywhere else. A new version of state controlled religion.
https://www.rt.com/russia/572773-kiev-pechersk-lavra-zelensky-eviction/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/572773-kiev-pechersk-lavra-zelensky-eviction/)
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Is this same thing ?
Kiev-Pechersk Lavra evicts UOC monks from monastery; must vacate by March 29 (https://tass.com/society/1587235)
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Yes, it addresses the same events. A dangerous thing to do, attack people over their religious beliefs.
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If you find enough, you find out, what was hosted in that place, and was nothing to do with religion.
PTW:
Some of us, an old men are lucky, when WW3 starts, they won't lose much, if we don't have offspring.
Those who have offspring, don't like situation, when euro-atlantic versus euro-asian war started.
I read a some good books, just for understanding, what is happening after 2008, when this shit began.
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I found it on rt.com and I don't know if its published anywhere else.
No, the MSM have ruthlessly suppressed this atrocity. On Google news for Ukrainian Orthodox Church it's a mere "About 95,500 results"
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I found it on rt.com and I don't know if its published anywhere else
You know that rt.com is Putin media. Anyway was published everywhere, and with a little more explanation.
Putin media is mantaining Orthodox Church in pro-russian state :rolleyes:
Because Pope is from here, and a lot of people know him, all the time are kind of "psicoanalisis del Papa". Apparently one major reason of little Roman Church intervention is because Orthodox Church only can be in Putin side :thdn:
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:biggrin:
> You know that rt.com is Putin media.
This is true but its the case with any national based media.
BBC is Sunak media.
US MSM in Biden media.
etc ......
While the Ukrainian clown is setting up to form a state controlled religion, the lessons of history have not been learnt by his puppet masters, have a good look at the Spanish civil war and the effects of attacking the Catholic church.
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have a good look at the Spanish civil war and the effects of attacking the Catholic church.
:thumbsup: But in Asturias nobody "attack Catholic church". Communists violated, tortured and executed religious persons, and everybody that was trying to stop that. No contract was broken.
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Hi Hector,
This is from memory from long ago but events in the city of Barcelona helped trigger the Spanish civil war. Long ago I watched a long series on the Spanish civil war and apart from the massive body count, it detailed early events in Barcelona including mistreatment of Nuns and I think the burning down of a nunery.
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It's true that the church was violently attacked during the short revolution in Barcelona. My view is that they (the clergy) probably deserved it. And it turned out that that short-lived revolution, which really did invert the social order for a couple of idyllic weeks, was finally put down--by the Communists!.
All this is excellently illustrated in George Orwell's wonderful little book, Homage to Catalonia, about his experiences fighting for the Republic (against Franco), but not in one of the big Communist-organized outfits but in a small anarchist militia attached to the POUM party.
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:biggrin: sorry
You are confusing what it's the trigger and what it's the explosive.
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Hi Hector,
It had to start somewhere. We know how it finished, Generalissimo Franko won, tried to tidy up the results and erected a monument or two.
David,
From memory, people came from all around the world to fight against the fascists, then that funny little fella with the toothbrush mustache entered the civil war on Franko's side and contributed to the many massacres. Some were communists, others were of many different flavours, both English and Americans among others fought there and they were generally no communists.
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Idealist and mercenaries :thumbsup:
Why nobody mention mercenaries?
They executed idealists who refuse to fight.
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There was nothing nice about the Spanish civil war, I watched this long series years ago and I had never seen so many dead bodies.
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From memory, people came from all around the world to fight against the fascists, then that funny little fella with the toothbrush mustache entered the civil war on Franko's side and contributed to the many massacres. Some were communists, others were of many different flavours, both English and Americans among others fought there and they were generally no communists.
Ackshooly, a lot of them were Communists, of various stripes (some socialists, like Orwell, Marxist-Leninist groups, others). One large group of fighters which contained lots of these folks was the American Abraham Lincoln Brigade. I went to a dedication of a commemorative public exhibit to them in San Francisco some years ago, when some of them were still alive (and there); now I think most or all of them are gone.
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You are correct but interestingly enough a number of governments sanctioned Franko including the US and the UK. I think the sum of those fighting against the fascists were a rag bag collection from many places and when you fought against not only Franko's fascists but the toothbrush mustachio guy as well, the old "come the revolution Komrade" brigade did not have much to do with it. I gather the old Soviet were happy enough to support an anti-fascist rag bag army.
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Talking about George Orwell. Interesting article (you can read it by translating it):
https://www.elcorreo.com/xlsemanal/historia/george-orwell-anarquistas-comunistas-historia-rebelion-en-la-granja.html?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
GEORGE ORWELL, MARKED BY FIRE BY THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR
Full of ideals, George Orwell arrived in Spain in 1936 to fight fascism. And he came across the fight between anarchists and communists, (*) checas, persecution... These experiences prompted his denunciation of authoritarianism and his premonitions about Stalinist terror, embodied in '1984' and 'Animal Farm'. His books are free of rights this year.
(*) Checas were prisons of the Republic where citizens were tortured.
An evil intelligence envelops everything
Spain changed everything. "Life stopped in 1936," he told his friend Arthur Koestler. In the Spanish Civil War "he lived the decisive experiences in the configuration of his political and literary vision," explains Miquel Berga, professor of English Literature at Pompeu i Fabra University. That experience shaped his later works, articles and essays and especially his books Homage to Catalonia, Animal Farm and his culminating work, 1984, which made him one of the greats of 20th century literature.
The books "Animal Farm" and "1984" were written based on his experiences of how communism worked on the Republican side.
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¡Hola Caballero!
I always thought that the plots of "Animal Farm" and "1984" were 1930s Great Britain.
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Long ago when I was studying Flamenco, the best reference music was Ramon Montoya. I have a couple of tracks recorded in Barcelona that are owned by the local government in Barcelona dated about 1932 but the classic album he recorded was done in France in 1936 as he had left Spain by then. I have two re-releases of that album by the French company that recorded the originals in 1936. They were released in the early 1960s and fortunately before they could be knife and forked by early analog or digital sound equipment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavi0JwyzGk
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¡Hola Caballero!
I always thought that the plots of "Animal Farm" and "1984" were 1930s Great Britain.
The ideas of those books are based on his experience in the Spanish Civil War, in the communist part of the republican side.
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I read both books, they are among the top 100 books currently.
The animal farm portrays the discontent of animals with the owner of the farm. After the revolution, always the same promise prospers, they will work less, earn more, have more leisure time. Finally, the pigs that were more intelligent dominated the other animals, with more tyranny than before.
The book 1984 partially portrays the moment in which we currently live. The imposition of the System on the freedom of others, the creation of newspeak, the big brother watching everything and everyone, controlling people's lives. As in animal farm, hope is the innocuous theme.
The world separated into 3 large "continents", in constant war and conflict.
Then they created ministries, the one for the truth dealt with "lies", I mean, always retouched lies to become truths.
The one of love dealt with hate,... .
A revolution against the system is necessary, but in the end, the main protagonists end up accepting the current system before their deaths.
Excellent books, I recommend everyone to read. Animal farm can be read in 2 days, 1984 can be read in 1 week.