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Title: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 16, 2013, 06:46:24 AM
Just caught this on the TV news.

Link below is from the NY times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/us/explosions-reported-at-site-of-boston-marathon.html?_r=0
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Gunther on April 16, 2013, 11:43:59 PM
Hi anunitu,

it's a horrible tragedy.

Gunther
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 17, 2013, 12:14:07 AM
I agree Gunther,there was an 8 year old boy killed and many children wounded. This makes me very sad,and of course kinda angry at the people that did this. I hope they find them and punish them for this terrible act.
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Post by: dedndave on April 17, 2013, 01:27:06 AM
what they are accomplishing is that people will become less and less tolerant of muslims
if they keep it up, the general consensus will be that they should be eradicated
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anta40 on April 17, 2013, 02:23:40 AM
what they are accomplishing is that people will become less and less tolerant of muslims

lots of people badly wounded/lost their limbs... and indeed this very very bad.
a shocking news indeed.

is it possible that this incident somehow is orchestrated by the US government themselves, so somewhen
they can get rid the muslims of of US?
pardon my speculation
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 17, 2013, 04:48:05 AM
That thinking does come up here in the U.S. The thing is it might be domestic terror,we have a lot of bat shi* crazy folks here that are armed and more than likely capable of something like this. Only time will tell just who did this.
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Gunther on April 17, 2013, 06:43:58 AM
Hi anunitu,

what's the current information status inside the US? Could that come from the crazy religious muslim fundamentalists, or is it from the right wing people?

Gunther
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 17, 2013, 08:07:29 AM
Hard to tell just yet,we have had our share of domestic nuts(Mcvay(sp) in Oklahoma,and the una bomber who sent bombs through the mail. They are studying the remains of the bombs and "May" find a signature(the style and composition of the bombs) bomb builders tend to stick to tried and true methods and seldom innovate or try new methods  . Also,though few know this explosives have embedded "Tags" if the are used for commercial demolition. it shows the exact batch and where it came from AND who bought it. If stolen at least you might know from WHERE. These mini "tags" are in a LOT of things now. Some printer paper have this embedded tag in them. (so you could trace where a note sent by a bad guy came from) and even inks have this now. 
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Post by: hutch-- on April 17, 2013, 10:46:19 AM
Lets hope they find who did it rather than a vigilante approach that hits the wrong people. I gather that there were more bombs found that did not go off so it looks like whoever did this was trying for a big hit against ordinary people. What is worth avoiding is another 9/11 where the wrong people were targeted and Iraq was invaded. Find 'em, try 'em, and fry 'em.
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: mywan on April 17, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
what they are accomplishing is that people will become less and less tolerant of muslims
if they keep it up, the general consensus will be that they should be eradicated

I could be wrong but this has the very distinctive feel of domestic terrorism. I doubt Muslims are involved. As critical as I am of government overreaching their power I wouldn't go so far as anunitu did to implicate the government either, at least not without some pretty solid evidence. Given the bomb materials used and the apparent feeble attempt to heard people toward the 2nd bomb with the 1st I would also guess that it's a lone bomber. The whole things smells like a domestic loner douche bag, probably early to maybe mid 20s, that thinks they are smarter than the rest of us.

Well, that's my 2 cents worth of speculation anyway...
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: dedndave on April 17, 2013, 02:06:30 PM
i realize that i jumped to a conclusion on that one
but, i think i am right - and i bet many people are guessing the same thing
they seem to have some leads to follow, but they won't give out much info until they nab the guy(s)
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Magnum on April 18, 2013, 02:37:00 AM
Pressure cookers were used and it a common bomb making technique worldwide.

We'll probable have to show I.D. to buy them now.

Andy
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 18, 2013, 03:01:37 AM
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As critical as I am of government overreaching their power I wouldn't go so far as anunitu did to implicate the government either, at least not without some pretty solid evidence.

I did not imply anything about the Government being involved,what I was saying was that there are groups that do hold this view. They are(as far as I remember) called "Truthers",and believe that the Gov was involved in the 911 attacks. There are many groups that because of their mistrust of our Gov have created "Movements" that sometimes become radical to an extent of becoming "Dangerous" Mostly right wing(sometimes religious) groups. There was I believe in 2001 a religious group that was funding a group in Israel to attack the Temple of the Rock(VERY sacred Muslim site in Jerusalem) in order to fulfill a biblical prophesy of the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon to kick off Armageddon and the return of Jesus. The Government were watching this group and did in fact press charges against them.       
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: mywan on April 20, 2013, 01:24:28 AM
Sorry anunitu, I read more into your words than I can justify now that I read it again/.
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Post by: cman on April 20, 2013, 01:49:26 AM
It looks like one suspect in the bombing was killed while another is still on the run: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17817173-one-boston-marathon-suspect-killed-second-suspect-his-brother-on-loose-after-firefight?lite . What a terrible drama!
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Gunther on April 20, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
Hi cman,

It looks like one suspect in the bombing was killed while another is still on the run: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17817173-one-boston-marathon-suspect-killed-second-suspect-his-brother-on-loose-after-firefight?lite . What a terrible drama!

yes. What else is known about the both Chechenians (reasons, motivation etc.)?

Gunther
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 20, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
It is a good thing they captured the second one alive,we may get some understanding about just Why these two brothers did what they did. If it was just two lone wolf types that is one thing,but there is the fact that both went to another country before they did this. That "Might" show they were trained by others to commit this terrible act. That puts the reaction into another arena,we as a country "Might" consider actions against those who were behind the scenes.
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: dedndave on April 21, 2013, 01:46:43 AM
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but there is the fact that both went to another country before they did this

i didn't see that
what country ?
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: anunitu on April 21, 2013, 04:11:40 AM
Don't quote me on this,but I think it was the former Russian country that they came from,they are ethnic Chechens from southern Russia. That might or might not be the country the went to. That country is Muslim BTW.

Check this link. They traveled somewhere in Russia and were there about 6 months.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Suspects-JFK-NYC-Travel-International-203787721.html
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Gunther on April 21, 2013, 04:42:54 AM
Hi anunitu,

things are a bit more complicated. Russia is Russia and Chechnya isn't (historical) a genuine part of the Russian territory. It has to do with the great russian chauvinism; therfore those Chechen Wars in the 90s. On the other hand, not all of the rebels are freedom fighters. They have a well organized Mafia there with "branches" in Berlin and other European cities. I'm sure there are residents in the US, too.

Gunther
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Post by: jj2007 on April 21, 2013, 04:54:39 AM
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Dzhokhar ... describes himself as speaking Chechen as well as English and Russian. His world view is described as "Islam" and he says his personal goal is "career and money." (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/20/178112198/the-tsarnaev-brothers-what-we-know-about-the-boston-bombing-suspects)

A fanatic capitalist... very dangerous. IMHO all fanatic capitalists should be sent to Guantanamo (or, if that's too small, Greenland).
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Gunther on April 21, 2013, 05:15:32 AM
Hi Jochen,

A fanatic capitalist... very dangerous. IMHO all fanatic capitalists should be sent to Guantanamo (or, if that's too small, Greenland).

Guantanamo and Greenland are not large enough for all the criminal capitalist bankers. Though most of those people did ignite bombs ... So we've to discuss the point in more detail.

Gunther
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: MichaelW on April 21, 2013, 11:11:35 AM
Guantanamo and Greenland are not large enough for all the criminal capitalist bankers.

The solution is simple and efficient - you stack their cages up and only feed the one on top.
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: Ghandi on April 21, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
So structure it like capitalist society without the candy coating?

HR,
Ghandi
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: jj2007 on April 21, 2013, 03:17:31 PM
Guantanamo and Greenland are not large enough for all the criminal capitalist bankers.

The solution is simple and efficient - you stack their cages up and only feed the one on top.

Lovely :t

I'm sure those in the low cages won't starve. Something will trickle down :biggrin:
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Post by: Farabi on May 20, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
If it really a muslims, I get to Sunni as a suspect. They are russian, and notorious for the hatred to USA from the cold wars. But lets see are they affiliated to any religion.
Title: Re: 2 bomb's go off at Boston Marathon.
Post by: hutch-- on May 20, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
The US has its own version of Siberia, its the Dalton Highway going up to Prudhoe Bay in the north of Alaska. Now you could put bankers to work here as street sweepers along the Dalton Highway making sure the trucks have a clean road to travel on. Now if they starved or froze to death, who cares, at least they may have eventually contributed to the US economy in a useful way.  :P

You could send Bush, Blair and Howard up there as well after the families of the fallen US servicemen had there way with them but there may not be much left after they had finished.  :biggrin: