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Title: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 02, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Just installed Windows 10, no NIC driver or video but Windows 8 video driver works OK.
MASM32 install went as per Windows 8 (errors ignored).
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 02, 2014, 02:27:52 PM
Start menu is back.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: avcaballero on October 02, 2014, 05:37:45 PM
Not bad, i run crazy every time I clicked on W8 start button. A pity that I have already paid for such [...] as W8  :icon_rolleyes:.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on October 02, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
not to worry, Alfonso
i read someplace that windows 9 will be free to windows 8 users
it should be released early next year - and, it has a Start Menu   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 02, 2014, 08:16:04 PM
No Windows 9, just 8 -> 10.

Sort of messes up the "every 2nd version is crap" thing...or reinforces it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 02, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
Hi Sinsi,
Looks like a souped up Windows 8.
How is this any different for a business than Windows 8?
Who wants all that junk on their desktop, certainly not me.
Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 02, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Wondering if this one will be hard to figure things out. My daughter just bought me a new machine with Win7,and it did take a while to find my way through the settings I had become used to on Win2000. I did mess with winXp for a bit on a machine my son gave me,and kinda got used to that setup. I know from other people that Win8 really pissed people off,but never had to deal with it myself.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 03, 2014, 03:13:16 AM
Hi Anunitu,
I played with a $33 Windows 8 for about a week.
Nothing for business people there,
It will never get on any computer I buy in the future.
I doubt Windows 10 will be any different.
But I will give it the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 03, 2014, 03:42:13 AM
So far I kinda like win7,and will most likely not upgrade for quite a while. What I do kinda hate about systems that come with windows installed is a LACK of an install cd,only a recovery partition.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on October 03, 2014, 08:40:48 AM
the "look and feel" of windows 7 was pretty nice
hopefully, MS will stop trying to be all things to all platforms and get back to that
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anta40 on October 03, 2014, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: anunitu on October 03, 2014, 03:42:13 AM
So far I kinda like win7,and will most likely not upgrade for quite a while.

Unfortunately, MS already stopped selling Windows 7.
This can be pretty challenging for those who prefer custom built PCs.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: avcaballero on October 03, 2014, 04:53:32 PM
I suppose that the new politic of Microsoft has to do with save costs making "one" OS for all of their platforms, and also taking advantage on tactile screens. Nevertheless that anyone tells me how to work in a laptop without keyboard and mouse, just with fingers, is this the end of laptops and the kingdom of tablets? I don't believe it. At least for the moment, it is needed an os for laptops/PCs, I think that it just needed a button to swap between standar screen and tactil ones with big buttons as phones.

It would be a good time for Linux to make market place... just if it would work.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 03, 2014, 05:30:12 PM
There are going to be "universal apps", one app for pc/phone/tablet that uses shared code and specific platform code.
I read somewhere that Windows will adjust it's inputs - if you click with a mouse it will assume keyboard/mouse, if you use
a touch screen it will default to touch. Same if you dock/undock a tablet, it will switch between mouse/touch. Something I can't try.

So far so good, no dramas, software works as normal.
Dave, where's that OS info thread you started?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 03, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
Hi anta40,

Quote from: anta40 on October 03, 2014, 11:43:12 AM
Unfortunately, MS already stopped selling Windows 7.
This can be pretty challenging for those who prefer custom built PCs.

is MS on the descending branch? It looks like this.

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on October 03, 2014, 11:12:17 PM
Sinsi...

i suspect this is the thread you were refering to
http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=3629.msg38245#msg38245 (http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=3629.msg38245#msg38245)

that post has links to the old forum threads

and this one has the attachment
http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=951.msg8791#msg8791 (http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=951.msg8791#msg8791)

yah - i would have liked windows 7, myself
a few months ago, a friend wanted to upgrade
we went to the local store and browsed
then we looked around online
all you could get on a new machine was windows 8/8.1
so, i searched for used machines, and got her set up nicely with win7-64 pro
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 04, 2014, 01:18:54 AM
Well this is interesting...maybe.

Microsoft's Windows 10 Preview has permission to watch your every move.

Hmmmmm....
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2373838/microsofts-windows-10-preview-has-permission-to-watch-your-every-move
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on October 04, 2014, 02:12:01 AM
sounds like they are moving toward claiming ownership of all market research information   :(
probably not easy to disable it, either
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Vortex on October 04, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
Download Windows Technical Preview :

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MichaelW on October 04, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
Dave,

Back in July when I built my new system I had no problems getting Windows 7-64 OEM from the local dealer that I have been trading with for 20+ years. For the one I purchased the date of manufacture was somewhere in May of this year.

The local Fry's also had Windows 7 available, and apparently still do, search results  here (http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&cat=&query_string=windows+7+OEM).


Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 04, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Hi Erol,

Quote from: Vortex on October 04, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
Download Windows Technical Preview :

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

it's only available in English, Chinese and Portuguese. Must have to do with the market shares.

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on October 05, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Michael - i notice that all those listed are OEM versions
not sure exactly how that works, but i don't think it's the same as RTM editions
my understanding of "OEM" was that manufacturers (Dell, Sony, HP, etc) use those to install on machines for sale
they get a price break for large volume distro

i don't recall the date, but i also went to Fry's Electronics, and all the machines came with win 8
i asked about windows 7, and they said - not available
i'm pretty sure he was telling the truth, because it resulted in a no-sale, and they work on commission
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MichaelW on October 05, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
Dave,

I have never installed, or AFAIK even used, anything but OEM versions of Windows, starting with the first OEM version of Windows 95. So while there may be differences from the retail versions, beyond the price, I have never missed them.

Windows 7 not being available on OEM systems seems entirely plausible, because Microsoft can force the issue by simply manipulating the price. In July Fry's web site looked essentially as it does now, and the local store definitely had the 64-bit versions in stock (the 32-bit versions were special order), and the same for my local dealer.

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 05, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
My local store still sells Windows 7 x64 OEM, Home for $107 and Pro for $158.
Windows 8.1 OEM goes for $107, $160 for Pro. Retail 8.1 is $123
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 06, 2014, 12:13:24 AM
Just read an article about Windows 10 by Dedoimedo at www.dedoimedo.com.
This Linux guy liked pretty much Windows 10 versus Windows 8 which he hates.
From my perspective this is what Microsoft should have done instead of Windows 8.
It was just a toy for kids to play on their stupid hand held crap.

Am I going to run out and buy this OS. Hardly! The wait and see policy IMHO
is always to best approach. When Windows 7 dies then I will have to start
thinking about this OS and by that time we will be up to Windows 12 etc.

Wonder how Sinsi got a test version?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 06, 2014, 01:05:32 AM
Hi shankle,

Quote from: shankle on October 06, 2014, 12:13:24 AM
Just read an article about Windows 10 by Dedoimedo at www.dedoimedo.com.

the entire article is more or less an adulation of Windows 10. Let's wait and see.

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 06, 2014, 07:18:54 AM
>Wonder how Sinsi got a test version?
Downloaded the iso from preview.windows.com
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 06, 2014, 10:50:16 PM
Hi sinsi,

Quote from: sinsi on October 06, 2014, 07:18:54 AM
Downloaded the iso from preview.windows.com

thank you for the hint.  :t

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Vortex on October 07, 2014, 05:49:11 AM
Windows Server Technical Preview :

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-vnext-technical-preview
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 08, 2014, 12:10:18 AM
The new system my daughter got me was on sale,and it had win7,so they might have been trying to clear their stock for win 10 whenever it comes,and MS is ending coverage for 7 pretty soon.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2014, 03:11:58 AM
Microsoft can only track your every move if you give them permission to do so. If you choose Express install you have effectively given that permision, but there is the choice of Custom install & with that there is the option of letting them see all or nothing, or anything in between. Basically it's down to you.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 08, 2014, 03:42:37 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2014, 03:11:58 AM
Microsoft can only track your every move if you give them permission to do so. If you choose Express install you have effectively given that permision, but there is the choice of Custom install & with that there is the option of letting them see all or nothing, or anything in between. Basically it's down to you.

Good to know.  :t

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 11, 2014, 08:35:33 PM
New console features
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on October 12, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
These features are at the moment experimental. I assume that's not the case in the final version. Am I right?

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Vortex on October 13, 2014, 01:52:11 AM
It's 2014 and no any multi-tab feature in the console window.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 13, 2014, 03:57:50 AM
Can't wait to see win10,just now digging into win7...Took me a while to find the tweaks and settings parts in win7. also learning about "Permissions"

Only thing I really like about upgrading is the adventure of finding out how to set it up the way I like.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 15, 2014, 05:13:50 AM
I want to try Windows 10 in a test manner. By that I mean disconnect my main HD and connect an
auxiliary HD with Windows 10 installed. Put a few things on it and give it a whirl.
BUT Microsofts agreement sounds like I would be tied on an ant hill, in the broiling sun with honey
poured on me.
Is this method of testing Windows 10 permissible and feasible?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: sinsi on October 15, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: shankle on October 15, 2014, 05:13:50 AM
I want to try Windows 10 in a test manner. By that I mean disconnect my main HD and connect an
auxiliary HD with Windows 10 installed. Put a few things on it and give it a whirl.
BUT Microsofts agreement sounds like I would be tied on an ant hill, in the broiling sun with honey
poured on me.
Is this method of testing Windows 10 permissible and feasible?
Yes, I disconnect my win7 drive and connect the win10 drive, a manual dual-boot  :biggrin:
You can still log on with a local account and not use a hotmail/live account but Windows will still
track what you do...no big deal, Google does it with Chrome (not to mention Android). It makes it easier to
get apps from the store if you like apps (not for me).

Quote from: Vortex on October 13, 2014, 01:52:11 AM
It's 2014 and no any multi-tab feature in the console window.
Apparently that's on the wish list. One other thing on the wish list is a sudo-like command but it's a bit complex.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 17, 2014, 07:57:53 AM
Finally got windows 10 on my puter.
Hardest thing was creating a boot dvd.
Without the Microsoft download tool and the documentation it would NEVER have happened.
IT IS FAST!!!       Of course I don't have anyway near all my goodies on it.
For instance: Sandboxie won't work on Windows 10.
ESET SS has a trail version that I installed and it is working very nice.
I have two 1T HDs in the puter with 1 running windows 7 pro 64-bit and
the other running Windows 10.
Nice thing is, I only have to move the power cable to switch from one to the other.
This is temporary so I don't mind. Beats dual booting and taking a chance
on messing up the windows 7 HD.
There is no Computer Icon on the desktop and no Windows Explorer Icon.
As usual they have moved things around for what reason I have no idea.
They have taken some of the nonsense of Windows 8 out of it, but the rest
I am able to delete.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on October 17, 2014, 09:04:10 AM
You might try comodo firewall(Now I think internet suite) it has a built in sandbox function. I use it,and find the free version more than I need for my purposes.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: shankle on October 17, 2014, 09:38:11 AM
Hi Anunitu.
Can't do that as ESET SS has a 2 way firewall. I can't have any other firewall
with ESET SS.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: GoneFishing on December 02, 2014, 02:54:41 AM
What about DirectX version on Windows 10 prerelease ?
Is it v12 or 11 ?
I've read that :
- MS had rewritten DX from scratch
- NVIDIA supplied experimental driver with DX12 suport .

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: adeyblue on December 02, 2014, 04:08:10 AM
It's not quite sure what DX version it uses (http://imgur.com/8f7g5O6). But it's one of the two.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: GoneFishing on December 02, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
Thank you, adeyblue
It seems , that it contains some DX12 runtime libraries but the main features are kept for release version.
I'm surprised that Win10 was successfully installed with 1GB RAM .
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on December 02, 2014, 04:25:17 AM
Hi vertograd,

against insufficient memory helps only more memory. (Confucius or so)

Gunther
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: GoneFishing on December 02, 2014, 04:33:27 AM
Hi Gunther,
Yes, perhaps  I'll think about adding more memory .
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gunther on December 02, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Hi vertograd,

Quote from: vertograd on December 02, 2014, 04:33:27 AM
I'm on Linux currently  and FireFox is very memory-hungry here : 1300 - 1500 MB with all bookmarks and pinned sites !!!

that's a lot of memory. You should plug in some more memory. The entire system will run better.

Gunther