The MASM Forum

General => The Soap Box => Topic started by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 01:28:38 PM

Title: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 01:28:38 PM
So I upgraded to Windows 10 on the first available day, I actually bought a new system just to upgrade. Asus ET2702IGTH with i5 Haswell and 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSHD. Nice system and it came Windows 10 ready although it had 8.1 installed. I find it very different from my Windows 7 PC which I used for way too many years. Nice though after using Windows 8.1 for the 6 days before the upgrade, although to be honest I never really used the new PC until after the upgrade, now I have to say that Windows 10 might actually replace Windows 7 as "Best Of Breed" for Windows. What do you think ?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 18, 2015, 02:03:49 PM
Hi Edgar,

Good to hear from you. I gather Win10 works far better that 8.0 8.1 but I keep hearing unhappy security issues about it, auto upgrades whether you like them or not, potential to disable software that is seen as pirated and the risk of commercial advertising directly from the OS, not just browser popups. My Win7 64 Ultimate works fine and as a retail version I can install it on a new machine so i am inclined to sit back and see how Win10 develops.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 02:42:38 PM
There are quite a few issues with it but it is a new OS and has to  run on a few PCs before it can become completely stable. I had major issues with Media Player until I just decided it was easier to remove it than to fix it. I do find that many applications written for 8.1 tablet mode seem to have issues getting back to the desktop. I do like that the start menu is back, though I never really used 8.0 or 8.1 (except as virtual machines) because it was missing. Right now I'm having fun installing virtual machines since this is the first PC I've owned with the full set of virtualization instructions, I think the XP x64 machine runs faster in a virtual machine than it ever did on my old ACER box lol.

Nice to talk to you again Steve.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 02:51:33 PM
One of the most telling things I've found with the virtual machines is that what was a high resolution screen in 2005 is sadly lacking today. I have set XP X64 to 1024x768 and it sits in a window of my 2560x1440 27 inch display. Not sure how I managed to open multiple windows at that resolution, it seems so tiny now.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: rrr314159 on August 18, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: Donkey
... my 2560x1440 27 inch display ...

- I've got pixel envy  :( :P
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: Donkey
... my 2560x1440 27 inch display ...

- I've got pixel envy  :( :P

Lol, this is the new PC:

https://www.asus.com/us/AllinOne_PCs/ET2702IGTH/

This is the new speaker system for it:

http://support.logitech.com/product/z5500-digital-51-speaker-system

I figured if I was going to finally upgrade from Windows 7 I might as well get a new PC at the same time.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: jj2007 on August 18, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Hi Edgar,

Good to have you back :icon14:

Re Windows 10, I'll wait a couple of years. Win7-64 on my main machine works just fine, XP on an older laptop not connected to the Internet, too, and the family browses on Win 8.1 (which is awful, can't even play a DVD without external help).

Want to see what the "Windows 10 is spyware" debate will bring in the medium term. People are swallowing a lot of foul play nowadays, they are used to open their private secrets in f***book etc, but still, this permanent calling home may cost Microsoft a lot. I hope so, at least. Linux is at 1%, no chance, but Apple is waiting for a good moment to take over the desktop market. Prepare for a "no spyware" campaign ;-)

Jochen
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 18, 2015, 04:22:21 PM
Hi Jochen,

Nice to be back.

I'm not terribly worried about spyware, nothing really on my PCs that is sensitive. And there's always virtual machines if I want Windows 7 or XP. JUst getting around to setting them up tonight.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: rrr314159 on August 18, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
hi Donkey,

Looks like a good choice. My old Asus notebook (Win 7) still works fine after years of very rough use ... more than I can say for Toshiba or Dell. I was happy with my Lenovo 8.1, 1920 x 1080, but maybe I'll move up to 2560 x 1440 (and better sound etc). After all you can't take it with you

Quote from: jj2007
Win 8.1 (which is awful, can't even play a DVD without external help).

- Interesting, apparently there are other drawbacks besides Metro! I've never tried to play a DVD, so didn't know that. Of course one can get a DVD player, but I can see why people would complain - it's a PITA, clearly a downgrade from 7. I wonder how many more "anti-features" there are. The search capability is the only significant difference I've noticed; 8 seems better than 7
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anta40 on August 18, 2015, 05:40:01 PM
Just upgraded from 7 to 10.

I noticed that some Windows built-in apps run slower than their 3rd parties counterpart, e.g:
- Photos vs IrfanView
- Movies & TV vs VLC

Disabling the built-in antivirus seems to make 10 runs faster.
No problem so far.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 19, 2015, 01:38:12 AM
I could be seduced by 4K video but the security issues will need to be sorted first, I run my Win7 64 Ultimate on default update and it nearly drives me mad, every week or so it want another 30 to 40 updates and it is set to when I turn the machine off. PITA when you turn it back on again and have to wait for all the upgrades to be installed.

If you did a clean install of XP SP3 and got it all working OK then you could completely turn off auto update and the machine would not suffer the stuffups that Microsoft added later. Disasters like InstallShield that stopped older software from being installed was one of the things you avoided by killing auto updates.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on August 19, 2015, 02:53:52 AM
My Daughter got me a new system(HP) and with Win7...I like win7 a LOT,at first getting used to it was a little odd,but I really like it now. Remember I came from win2000 to Win7..and I run my system off a 32inch flat screen TV that as a computer mode. Because my eyes are not what they used to be,the large screen really help's with reading online things.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Magnum on August 19, 2015, 04:02:09 AM
http://www.myce.com/news/windows-10-updates-can-disable-pirated-games-and-unauthorized-hardware-76883/
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Vortex on August 19, 2015, 04:31:50 AM
Hi Edgar,

Welcome back. How is the secure boot configuration on your new computer? The UEFI system is very annoying. It's easy to install multiple operating systems when UEFI is turned off.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Hi, I haven't tried to install multiple OSes, just virtual machines so I'm not sure. Haven't had any issues with secure boot or the UEFI bios as yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: daydreamer on August 20, 2015, 12:49:02 AM
welcome back Edgar, nice to see you again
have you tried coding on win10 yet?
I have found compability issues with my old 32bit masm code on my win8.2
I read that my current dualcore 64bit cpu has a builtin random generator opcode
that I wish to try out in perlin noise code
I dislike newer windows to be hybrid between old windows and Android os or apps
if I wanted that system I would go Android tablet
on the other hand I have no choice to run 64bit modern computer with memoryhungry cg programs like poser etc

"Disabling the built-in antivirus seems to make 10 runs faster. "
sounds like definition of worst kinda virus stealing system Resources like that :P
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 20, 2015, 03:37:08 AM
Thanks,

I haven't coded in quite a while in assembler. Since coding is coding, straight forward assembler programs will still run on 10, I haven't look through my old stuff yet having just moved it onto the new PC but I plan to start soon.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dedndave on August 20, 2015, 03:48:54 AM
hi Edgar - good to see you again   :t
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 20, 2015, 04:47:10 AM
hi Edgar - good to see you again   :t

Good to see you Dave, I think the only guy I've talked to regularly from the forum for the last while is Bill Cravener, missed you guys.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 20, 2015, 03:16:13 PM
Yet another irritation from Microsoft trying to force Win10 on Win7 users. After last nights auto update, when I started it this morning the "Get Win10" taskbar icon pops up and empty white window with no controls to turn it off. Have to go to the task manager to get rid of it. The grind is I don't want Win10 on this machine, I payed for a retail version of Win7 64 Ultimate for a reason and don't want a half debugged mess to over write it.

Mutter .....
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 21, 2015, 01:29:16 AM
If you don't want to upgrade to Windows 10 just uninstall update KB3035583 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583) and select hide update, you'll never be asked again and the icon on the taskbar will disappear. That's what I did on my Win7x64 ultimate virtual machine and it works fine with no side effects.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 21, 2015, 07:21:40 AM
Did the job fine, gratsie.  :t
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Magnum on August 21, 2015, 08:54:37 AM
Edgar, Good to see you back. :-)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 22, 2015, 12:37:36 AM
Hey Magnum, thanks.

Here's a pic of my new PC

Coffee is Tim Horton's double double brewed at home.

Asus ET2702IGTH, Intel i5 4460S Haswell, 32 GB ram, 1 TB SSHD, 2 TB USB3 External, SPDIF optical sound out, 2GB AMD Radeon R9 M275X, 27 inch touch screen 2560x1440, built in Bluetooth and Wifi. Built for Windows 10.

Logitech Z-5500 5.1 THX/DTS digital surround sound.

Internet connection was upgraded as well

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/4599922503.png)

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: rrr314159 on August 22, 2015, 01:46:22 AM
Donkey,

I once lived in Calgary, don't remember the address, but it was near 36th ave and 9th st. Just above the very steep Christchurch Hill, a mile or so from the Elbow River. Stayed at Rideau Park hotel (as I remember) while looking for a house. I loved Calgary, the cold didn't bother me, got up to Banff as often as possible, I was a lousy skier. One thing that struck me, there were more motorcycles there than anywhere, surprising due to the long winter; but once acclimated I drove throughout the winter. Wore 2 ski masks with the face turned to the back (pull apart the threads to see thru), was warm as toast.  The Chinook was a taste of paradise. I imagine it's expanded since then (40+ years or so), and I wouldn't recognize it. Is there still a large Mormon community there? Just last week I said "eh" in a conversation and my interlocutor knew I'd lived in Canada.

Them were the days ... :biggrin: (need a smiley expressing "bittersweet")
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 22, 2015, 01:58:55 AM
Donkey,

I once lived in Calgary, don't remember the address, but it was near 36th ave and 9th st. Just above the very steep Christchurch Hill, a mile or so from the Elbow River. Stayed at Rideau Park hotel (as I remember) while looking for a house. I loved Calgary, the cold didn't bother me, got up to Banff as often as possible, I was a lousy skier. One thing that struck me, there were more motorcycles there than anywhere, surprising due to the long winter; but once acclimated I drove throughout the winter. Wore 2 ski masks with the face turned to the back (pull apart the threads to see thru), was warm as toast.  The Chinook was a taste of paradise. I imagine it's expanded since then (40+ years or so), and I wouldn't recognize it. Is there still a large Mormon community there? Just last week I said "eh" in a conversation and my interlocutor knew I'd lived in Canada.

Them were the days ... :biggrin: (need a smiley expressing "bittersweet")

Hey rrr314159,

Yeah, I know the area. It's not too far from me in Dover. I like Calgary, the population is just over a million now so it's probably a bit different from when you were here last. Yes, the Chinooks are great, a 20 degree rise in temperature overnight is always welcome when its cold outside.

BTW, I keep seeing your I am NaN and thinking you're NaN from the old forum, just got it, it's from The Prisoner, hence the avatar. Not sure about pi though. NaN was an awesome MASM coder.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Vortex on August 22, 2015, 04:34:13 AM
Hi Edgar,

Impressive hardware, especially the memory capacity. You can install a Ram disk to use a portion of the memory like a hard disc.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 22, 2015, 04:45:32 AM
Hi Edgar,

Impressive hardware, especially the memory capacity. You can install a Ram disk to use a portion of the memory like a hard disc.

I only ordered it with 32GB of ram (base configuration is 8GB) because it's an all in one PC and I didn't look forward to the job of upgrading it later. I should have ordered the i7 and SSD but I couldn't justify the extra cost involved. The ram drive is a good idea but for now I'm not lacking in speed so there's little need. I do have a 32 GB SD card as a ReadyBoost drive even though the SSHD drive is already caching the frequently used files in solid state memory. Not completely convinced at this point whether there is a real advantage to a ram drive yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: daydreamer on August 22, 2015, 09:19:57 PM
Quote
BTW, I keep seeing your I am NaN and thinking you're NaN from the old forum, just got it, it's from The Prisoner, hence the avatar. Not sure about pi though. NaN was an awesome MASM coder.
yes he is
and thats funny because NaN stands for Not a Number and now he choosed to be a number  :biggrin:

[edit-fixed the quote tags Donkey]
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: jj2007 on August 22, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
I keep seeing your I am NaN and thinking you're NaN from the old forum

Searching the old forum (http://www.masmforum.com/board/index.php?action=search;advanced) for posts containing mov written by user NaN yields only one post ::)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 22, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
He was one of the members of Iczelion's early forum. Nice guy and good coder.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 22, 2015, 11:41:12 PM
He was one of the members of Iczelion's early forum. Nice guy and good coder.

We've been around a while, Steve  :biggrin: Probably a couple of the few (with KetilO of course) that are left who ever ran into some of the old coders like Iczelion, EWayne, Hiro, F0dder and NaN.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: rrr314159 on August 23, 2015, 01:49:59 AM
Now and then someone thinks my handle is "NaN", since tag line says "I am NaN". Of course that's The Prisoner's defiant "tag line" "I am not a number", but why should later generations recognize it? Anyway the real NaN's web page is here (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/win32asm/) (as Biterider informed me). Unfortunately no activity for almost 15 years.

The paradox is, I "am" a number, pi :) What can I say, seemed funny at the time; but if you have to explain your avatar, it's not a good avatar ;)

Quote from: Donkey
...some of the old coders like Iczelion, EWayne, Hiro, F0dder and NaN.

- if they're old compared to you guys ... not surprising they're no longer present :(
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: HSE on August 23, 2015, 02:11:17 AM
The paradox is, I "am" a number, pi :)

I was thinking rrr was "almost a sphere": 4/3*r*r*r*3.14159 (volume formula)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 23, 2015, 02:16:40 AM
- if they're old compared to you guys ... not surprising they're no longer present :(

Lol, f0dder is younger than I am, the rest are about the same age I think. NaN is a fellow Canuck, hails from Ottawa, Ontario if I remember correctly.

Quote
but if you have to explain your avatar, it's not a good avatar

It's a good avatar, just the handle of one of the coders from back when got me thinking.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: MichaelW on August 29, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
If you don't want to upgrade to Windows 10 just uninstall update KB3035583 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583) and select hide update, you'll never be asked again and the icon on the taskbar will disappear. That's what I did on my Win7x64 ultimate virtual machine and it works fine with no side effects.

When I view my update history in Control Panel, for KB3035583 the details start with:

"Install this update to resolve issues in Windows..."  :biggrin:


Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 29, 2015, 07:22:02 PM
I followed the instructions for KB3035583 and removed the task bar icon but it came back after the next lot of Microsoft updates.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Donkey on August 30, 2015, 09:14:12 AM
I followed the instructions for KB3035583 and removed the task bar icon but it came back after the next lot of Microsoft updates.

You have to remove the update then in Windows Update choose to hide the update, it will not download again.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: hutch-- on August 30, 2015, 10:22:48 AM
Gratsie, I will give that a blast for the next try.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on August 30, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
MS really pushing this win10 thing...
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Magnum on August 31, 2015, 01:02:58 AM
Now and then someone thinks my handle is "NaN", since tag line says "I am NaN". Of course that's The Prisoner's defiant "tag line" "I am not a number", but why should later generations recognize it? Anyway the real NaN's web page is here (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/win32asm/) (as Biterider informed me). Unfortunately no activity for almost 15 years.

The paradox is, I "am" a number, pi :) What can I say, seemed funny at the time; but if you have to explain your avatar, it's not a good avatar ;)

Quote from: Donkey
...some of the old coders like Iczelion, EWayne, Hiro, F0dder and NaN.

- if they're old compared to you guys ... not surprising they're no longer present :(

Looks like it has been 4 years since any activity.

Code: [Select]
11.29.01 Again another 2 months plus, and mild progress has been made with the OOP creator, however it *Will* get more progress in early next year (lighter coarse loads). As well im happy to announce that WE'VE MADE IT TO THE BIG TIME :). Our OOP model
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: anunitu on August 31, 2015, 02:02:13 AM
Well you know,life happens,and believe it or not,the internet is not always a priority. Marriage,kids...even a bar hopping period might get in the way..just saying..
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: xanatose on September 02, 2015, 01:39:33 AM
MS really pushing this win10 thing...
They are trying to hold up to the Desktop bastion, after loosing the phone wars. Having most people have windows (free or not) helps their bottom line.

Maybe the 3d technologies they are pushing will bring them an edge once again.