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Title: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 16, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
It’s looking bad for Mitt Romney when even conservatives are beginning to question why the Republican nominee for President of the United States won’t release more then just a couple of his tax returns. It is what those who run for President do voluntarily so folks can see if they earned their place honestly. So, I too ask, what is it Mitt Romney is trying to hide?

Democrats have been calling on Mitt Romney to release more than one year of his tax returns with a series of web videos and public statements. So far he has released only his 2010 returns and an estimate of his 2011 returns. Romney’s unwillingness to release anything beyond these two years raises the question, if it’s worth the bad press to keep the tax returns private they must contain something even worse.


It’s looking up for President Obama’s reelection. :biggrin:
http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on July 16, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
Bill,

The analysis I am seeing is that unless there is a major downturn in the US economy between now and the election, Obama will coast into his second term. There is little doubt that the Tea party side of the Republicans will do anything to bring the US economy down to try and get a win but it would seem so far that this damage is not within their capacity.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 17, 2012, 12:17:58 AM
There is quite a bit of hype that we hear on mainstream media over here Steve about how bad the economy is and how high the unemployment rate is but much of it is bullshit. If you go to the Google unemployment rate data link I list below and pick any US State you will see that it’s only a few States that are experiencing high unemployment. Most States are experiencing much less then the 8.2 percent unemployment rate then the media and the conservatives would have us believe. Regardless of what State one retrieves data for it is very clear that under the Obama Administration the unemployment rate of all States is going down.

Google unemployment rates by State (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=usunemployment#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=state&idim=state:ST560000:ST420000:ST200000:ST300000:ST460000:ST380000&ifdim=state&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on July 17, 2012, 12:35:27 AM
Google unemployment rates by State (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=usunemployment#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=state&idim=state:ST560000:ST420000:ST200000:ST300000:ST460000:ST380000&ifdim=state&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false)

Cute link :t
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 17, 2012, 01:30:20 AM
Here's one by country. :biggrin:

Unemployment By Country (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z9a8a3sje0h8ii_&met=unemployment_rate&idim=eu#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country_group&idim=eu_country:IT&idim=country_group:non-eu&ifdim=country_group&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on July 17, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
they typically only report those collecting unemployment benefits
they don't show you how many people have run out of benefits
or stopped looking for jobs, altogether
everything is sunny for the guy making the graph - he has a job - lol
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 17, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Jobs are there, plenty of them, for the right skills. I remember when I was young and there were mill jobs available all about the country but then the steel and tube mills begin shutting down and left many jobless. There were lots of jobs available back then just as there are now but many of those who lost their jobs refused to seek another means to make a living. I know folks, most in their 40’s and 50’s, who could start work tomorrow but refuse to accept a job that pays them less then they made before. They’d rather give up and sit on their ass then to take a job doing something else that pays them less. I’ve never been that way and have done what ever it takes to make a buck (as long as it was legal). Now retirement is getting near after over 40 years of busting my ass any way I had to in making a buck and in seven months I can sign up for Social Security. I’ll continue to work part time to add to that monthly SS check I’ll be receiving until I’m physically unable to work. I’ll be damned if I’ll sit around doing nothing all day and I’d even shovel shit if that’s all there is to do, at least it would be something constructive. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on July 17, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
i suppose it depends on location
when i go up to Michigan, i see a lot of machinists doing odd jobs - roofing, carptentry, painting
it's a shame to let all that skill sit dormant
makes me think "what can we make that needs to be machined"   :P
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 18, 2012, 12:39:49 AM
In a recent Talent Shortage Survey conducted by employment agency Manpower Inc., employers around the country cited skilled trade positions as the most difficult openings to fill. There is a great demand for skilled trades here in PA and Ohio. If you’re a skilled pipefitter, electrician, big equipment operator, machinist, welder, diesel technician or HVAC technician there are many jobs to be had. These skills are paying anywhere from $30,000 up to $60,000 a year. Much of this demand is for skilled not apprentice employment and is do to the growing Marcellus Shale industry. Reality is there is a need for these types of skills no matter where you look here in the US.

http://www.manpowergroup.us/campaigns/talent-shortage-2012/
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on July 18, 2012, 10:19:27 AM
Bill,

This situation is typical in many of the western countries, years of shafting skilled tradesmen (and women) and then wondering why there is no-one left to do the work. My trade as a toolmaker died in the 1970s as the work was shipped overseas so after some time looking for work then building a small business which I ran for 10 years I went into software which at least fed me until about 2000.

As far as my trade skills I will take them to the grave with me, the only thing I do now in engineering terms is maintain and sharpen all of my own tools.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 20, 2012, 01:51:34 AM
Stage (http://youtu.be/oLo0Jwj03JU)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on July 20, 2012, 08:43:37 AM
Great ad Bill, nothing like telling the truth when it comes to what these greedy bastards will do if they get in.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 20, 2012, 08:24:45 PM
Steve,

This is a guy that wants to lower taxes for the wealthy and raise them for everybody else, a guy who insists that corporations are people too and yet because he’s not Obama the morons on the right will vote for him. :icon13:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on July 31, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
This guy Romney is a jack-off; his Romneycare which he got passed as governor he stated is a good thing, now he praises Israel’s health care system stating their government-run health care system works, and yet the first thing this jack-off wants to do if elected president is to kill Obamacare. Hypocrite!

Romney: Socialized Health Care Good For Israel, Not For U.S. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/mitt-romney-israel-health-care.php?ref=fpa)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: clive on August 01, 2012, 04:24:31 AM
It's not the left and right wing nuts you should be worrying yourself about, their votes cancel each other out. It's all the blue and white collar middle class who are worried about their jobs, if they still have them, and their health care costs rising, if they still have coverage. Are your health care premiums going down, sales, property and income taxes? Probably not. Are public sector workers getting their usual 3%+ year-on-year raises, while everyone else is stagnating or going backward? You've got a lot of angry and disenfranchised voters out there, worry about them. After 4 years most are going to vote for some "Change", even if they don't like either of the choices.

So Romney is a tool, show me a politician that isn't, it's part of their self aggrandizing DNA.

Foreign bank accounts? Who cares, you have to report them to the Treasury and pay taxes just like any in the US, except there is more paper work.

Want to fix health care and pensions, tie the politicians to the SAME plans and rules as everyone else, and pay them last. Otherwise they'll keep kicking the can down the road.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: npnw on August 01, 2012, 04:51:08 AM
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Grand Theft? Tax Evasion? Rich Has 32$ Trillion In Offshore Havens

http://egbertowillies.com/2012/07/22/grand-theft-tax-evasion-rich-has-32-trillion-in-offshore-havens/ (http://egbertowillies.com/2012/07/22/grand-theft-tax-evasion-rich-has-32-trillion-in-offshore-havens/)

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Romney & Son Investigated for 8 Billion Ponzi Scheme

http://www.politicolnews.com/romney-son-investigated-for-8-billion-ponzi-scheme/ (http://www.politicolnews.com/romney-son-investigated-for-8-billion-ponzi-scheme/)

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Mitt Romney and his son Tagg Romney have been implicated in a 8.5 billion dollar ponzi scheme with Wall Street investors Allen Stanford and James M. Davis.


The pair are not cleared including their three partners in a court document verified, ongoing legal proceeding involving selling fraudulent CD’s to potential investors.

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Mitt Romney and Son Tagg in 2008 invested in Allen Stanford’s ponzi scheme to the tune of 10 million dollars initially in Solamere Capital a seed investment and received 1 million in returns.

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Despite claims by Tagg and Mitt Romney the investigation is still “ongoing” and the profits from Stanford and Solemere were unreported by Tagg Romney.

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He also did possess a minority stake in the business with Spencer Zwick and Eric Scheuermann.

Spencer Zwich is Mitt Romney’s Chief Fundraiser. Investors in Stanford have not recovered their money, and the assets are still in receivership and frozen until the case is resolved. A total of 8.5 billion dollars is still unaccounted for and the billion dollar Ponzi scheme lays at Mitt Romney’s feet for his and his son’s investment partners who were all involved.


Do we care now?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 01, 2012, 04:54:05 AM
It's not the left and right wing nuts you should be worrying yourself about, their votes cancel each other out.

Worried? Who’s worried? Come next year I’m taking early retirement and once Obamacare kicks in I’ll be paying one third the cost for health care that I’m paying now. Keep in mind that it’s the electoral vote that counts and most polls have President Obama way ahead of Romney. I know many Republicans who can’t stand Romney and they tell me they will just set this one out. Want to place a bit on who the next president will be? I’m confident it will be a second term for President Obama!

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/maps/?mod=wsj_streaming_campaign-2012-continuous-coverage#r=pres&v=states
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 01, 2012, 04:58:14 AM
Do we care now?  :biggrin:

npnw,

It's quite obvious why Romney won't show the public his tax returns. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Ryan on August 01, 2012, 05:00:20 AM
Want to place a bit on who the next president will be? I’m confident it will be a second term for President Obama!
I'll do a shr on that bit  :P
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: clive on August 01, 2012, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: npnw
Do we care now?
No not really, you might, I'm not a voter, or a conservative, I don't have a horse in this race. Americans vote for alleged crooks all the time, look at the Kennedy's, got to be some bodies and foreign banks there. Kerry, foreign banks, and preferential tax shopping and avoidance there. Having crap in your family closest, or your own, is not a barrier to entry. Being convicted might be, but that should be done in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. The media make a big thing about drug use, most people I know don't care, yet this horse gets draged out over and over.

I don't think much of the hyperbole, it's going to come down to whether people want 4 more years of what they've had, or something else. America will survive whatever choice is made, it's the people that make the country, not the politicians. The failure of the Euro will do a bunch of damage, more than most realize, will it make it to November? Will that change the playing field? Now I say 4 more years, I think we can safely agree we're at least 6-8 years into this thicket, the question comes down to if "Forward" gets us out the other side in 2-4 years or if we're still 6-8 years in ANY direction to escape. If he gets re-elected there's going to be a lot of "Change", he'll have a mandate and all the sweeteners used to get there can be dispensed with. More taxes and expenses for everyone, not just your +$250K neighbours, what recourse will you have? Mix in some capital flight, and business closures, and you'll have a real party.

Bill Clinton would be a slam dunk, people would change the constitution to get the dude back, Obama's going to be tight, he could win the popular vote, and still lose the electoral college.

Yes Bill, I'd take the other side of that, that he fails to get the electoral college votes he needs to be president for a second term. I'll get $50 to the Obama campaign if he wins a second term, gambling on the internet being illegal, and all.

Tax returns will be dull, declarations to the treasury might be more enlightening as you need to be much more transparent on what you have control over there. Same with campaign disclosures. College transcripts and admission documents, probably also quite dull, Not even sure lying on your resume or admission papers is a crime, federal loans perhaps, if you mailed something? If you dig too hard on the taxes, people will ask questions about SSN irregularities, do nothing jobs, and land deals. A lot of people lie or embellish the truth, I'm sure there is linen neither side wants aired.

Bottom line, Obama's going to say what he needs to get elected, Romney will do what he said when he's elected. You decide which is the most dangerous.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 02, 2012, 12:58:50 AM
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No not really, you might, I'm not a voter, or a conservative

I thought you were a Brit who moved here and became an American? And you say you do not vote?

As to Romney he’s no different then any other political figure, they say whatever best gets them elected. He’s a master at the flip-flop, I’ll give him that. Shame for the right side that Romney’s always sticking his foot in his mouth and the more people know of this guy the less he’s liked even by his own side. It’s already over and the Republican Super Pac’s can spend as many millions as they like they are just throwing money away.

I wish I could meet you in person clive and place that $50 bet with a handshake, as it stands we will have to agree on an imaginary virtual bet on who the next president will be. I’m very confident it will be President Obama. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 02, 2012, 01:51:08 AM
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/crackmeup.gif)

Mitt Romney's Wimp Factor (http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/07/29/michael-tomasky-a-candidate-with-a-serious-wimp-problem.html)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 02, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
 :icon14:

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(CNN) - President Barack Obama has a majority of voters backing him in three critical battleground states, according to a survey released Wednesday.
Poll: Obama over 50% in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/01/polls-obama-over-50-in-florida-ohio-and-pennsylvania/)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 03, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
 :icon14:
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A new poll from the Pew Research Center shows one of the biggest national leads for President Obama since the general election campaign began in earnest — a 10 point lead, 51 percent to presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney’s 41 percent.
Pew: Obama Expands National Lead To 10 Points, Romney Image Wanes (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/pew-obama-national-lead.php?ref=fpb)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on August 03, 2012, 10:54:12 PM
Sounds like you are on a winner there Bill.  :icon14:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 04, 2012, 12:04:13 AM
Steve, the closer we get the better it looks! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: npnw on August 04, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
Bill,

The one thing we have to worry about is voter suppression.  Hopefully it won't ha ppen, but it does affect the outcome... such as Ohio.  There was a article at The Rachel Maddow Show  where people were waiting 10 hours or more to vote. It seemed the Republicans reduced the number of voting stations in Democratic areas so people couldn't vote, or had to wait all day to vote.  Now they have reduced early voting by 3 days.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#48476598 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#48476598)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on August 04, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
Just read in a German online journal that Clint Eastwood supports Romney, hoping he would care for a more just tax system. The comments ranged from "Clint is making fun of Romney" to (here (http://forum.spiegel.de/f22/us-google-page-rankingaesidentschaftskandidat-dirty-harry-unterstuetzt-romney-67486-2.html#post10684974)) "old age senility is a serious issue and one should not laugh at these people just because they do confuse things"... ::)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 04, 2012, 08:42:50 PM
It’s by hook or crook with the republicans. Here in PA they want a photo id requirement in order for a person to be permitted to vote. Thing is 1.3 million eligible Pennsylvania voters lack such ID and many are elderly. President Obama has an 11 point lead in the polls here in PA and the republicans hate that fact.

 Pennsylvania voter ID law case draws to a close (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57485325-503544/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-case-draws-to-a-close/)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on August 04, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
Bill,

I have heard about this in republican controlled states, try and exclude people from voting because they are poor, have limited services or old. This is something that needs to be changed in the US, in OZ voting is compulsory so we don't suffer any of that abuse of democracy. By it being compulsory it removes many of the tricks where lobbyists can motivate a narrow section of society to vote over some particular issue and skew the results.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on August 04, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
by law, such things are not supposed to happen
but, on the list of things that the laws are supposed to prevent, it seems rather trivial
i say that because i believe the vote you cast is often subject to someones ability to toss it out
...and because most politicians do things that are much worse than that
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: npnw on August 05, 2012, 02:01:47 PM
dedndave ,
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but, on the list of things that the laws are supposed to prevent, it seems rather trivial

Unless its millions of votes. Then  it doesn't seem to be quite so little.

Of course the Republicans passing voter suppression laws with no evidence of voter fraud seems rather trivial.

The politicians are counting on you not really caring. If you don't care then accept what you get. What if Dee got really sick you hit your limit on health insurance or they let her die while you were fighting for treatment? Then you would care.  Had to use personal to get point across.

I'm hoping my argument will make people more informed and interested in what all politicians do.


If that was your point. Otherwise I've misunderstood. 

Hutch,  maybe compulsory would be good over here. Then people couldn't complain about who got elected cause they didn't vote.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: mywan on August 05, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
As much as I would like to vote Obama out of office there is simply no way I am going to vote for any of the contenders up for the job at present. I respect Ron Paul for at least standing for what he actually believes, much of it I even consider perfectly valid, unlike any other contender. He just goes a bit too far overboard in some ways on ideological grounds alone to seriously consider voting in. The alternatives are getting worse though. I just hope Obama doesn't take winning against Daffy duck as some kind of mandate the way Bush did...
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 05, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
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If you're one of those people who thinks President Obama is a "disappointment," condolences for not getting your unicorn. And it's time to grow up, get over it.
What Has Obama Done? Here Are 194 Accomplishments! With Citations! (http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on August 05, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Obama may not be my favorite president...
but he beats the hell of what we had before that

the problems don't all fall in the president's lap, though
what we really need are 435 new representitives and 100 new senators - a nice fresh start
and, when the next presidential election rolls around, maybe we'll have a list to choose from
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: MichaelW on August 06, 2012, 02:30:41 AM
Obama may not be my favorite president...
but he beats the hell of what we had before that
Even I will agree with that.

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what we really need are 435 new representitives and 100 new senators - a nice fresh start

Yes, but unfortunately a complete turnover will take two elections, and the remaining older members will have two years to “train” the newer members.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: npnw on August 06, 2012, 02:43:13 AM
In my opinion... for what its worth  :biggrin:

We need our representatives to represent us. That doesn't mean they all vote the same way on everything. There are things they should not agree on, and things that while they don't agree... that they can find common sense solutions too.  Instead of these illogical positions that the Republicans have, I would like government to be more conservative, but I don't want them to cut our throats. We have to keep the long term goals of deficit reduction in mind, a strong military but cut back, and more investment in America. Reduce taxes on the middle class and make the people who can afford it pay more.  Infrastructure spending is definitely something that is needed and would give us value for the money we spend.... yet the Republicans absolutely oppose this on the grounds it will help Obama get re-elected.  Israel's health care cost 8% vs our cost of 18%. If we are truly going to reduce our deficit here is a 10% cut in GDP outlays or 1.5 trillion in cost reduction.  If they were more reasonable and made sense I would vote Republican... yet I don't see that any time soon.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on August 06, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
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...and the remaining older members will have two years to “train” the newer members

and that pretty much sums up our problem
the "good ole' boys" and "you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours" m.o.'s cannot be undone with the present system
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: mywan on August 06, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
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If you're one of those people who thinks President Obama is a "disappointment," condolences for not getting your unicorn. And it's time to grow up, get over it.
What Has Obama Done? Here Are 194 Accomplishments! With Citations! (http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html)
Ugh, that looks like a lot of hyperbole. What about NDAA?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa
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On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAA’s dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president — and all future presidents — to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.
This was of course squashed:
http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-judge-obama-forrest-295/
But how can you take any president serious that is that ignorant of basic legal rights? No, not gun rights and other such crap, but straight up legal rights!!! Yes, that goes for the idiot Bush to, and anybody who wants to soft pedal this stuff for one political party while screaming foul on the other are straight up political hacks in my book, and I do NOT care to hear it. This is precisely why Obama can do this kind of stuff and there's not even any contender for me to pass my vote to. It was Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) that drafted this BS bill in private without any kind of hearing, and Obama signed it.

Just look at what Snopes had to say about it:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/ndaa.asp
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This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold, owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a provision would be wide open to abuse.

Even Obama's own signing statements admit to such problems:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2011/12/31/obama-defense-bill-signing-statement/
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The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.

I don't give a crap how much I trust Obama's promise not to use such provisions, or use them 'improperly', regardless of circumstances Obama is not the president forever. It's NOT even on the table as an option in the law, period. In my book it's an impeachable offense for democrats and republicans alike! It makes the Patriot Act look almost inconsequential!!!

So this partisan political hackery crap, such as the above link, is just so much smelly crap!
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 06, 2012, 09:45:14 PM
Republicans on Sunday accused Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of lying by passing along an anonymous claim that GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. Republican Party chairman Reince Priebus called Reid a "dirty liar." Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said, "I think he's lying about his statement of knowing something about Romney" and he contended Reid was "making things up to divert the campaign away from the real issues." Reid's spokesman, Adam Jentleson, contended that Republicans were trying to cover up for Romney and the aide repeated the Nevada senator's claims that the source about Romney's taxes is indeed credible.

You know “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander”. For three years we have listen to the Right make the absurd claim that President Obama is not an American born citizen. If Romney wants to clear this up then do what President Obama had to do, prove it! Show the American people your tax returns for the past 10 years. Prove to us you paid taxes Romney. But we know Romney won’t. Why won’t he? Because it’s the truth, he paid no taxes the past 10 years! :icon13:

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on August 07, 2012, 07:49:17 PM
Nouriel Roubini, the economist who earned the nickname Dr Doom for his prediction that the crisis was about to hit, blames Bush. Obama "inherited a mess", Roubini has said. "We're lucky that this Great Recession is not turning into another Great Depression."

(the rest is also worth reading (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/06/financial-crisis-25-people-heart-meltdown))
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 08, 2012, 12:33:26 AM
Good read Jochen,

I see Romney isn't much liked in Italy either. :biggrin:

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Mitt Romney skipped Italy on his swing through Europe. That was probably prudent.

Romney Persona Non Grata In Italy For Bain’s Deal Skirting Taxes (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/romney-persona-non-grata-in-italy-for-bain-s-deal-skirting-taxes.html)
 
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: mywan on August 09, 2012, 05:44:18 AM
Nouriel Roubini, the economist who earned the nickname Dr Doom for his prediction that the crisis was about to hit, blames Bush. Obama "inherited a mess", Roubini has said. "We're lucky that this Great Recession is not turning into another Great Depression."

(the rest is also worth reading (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/06/financial-crisis-25-people-heart-meltdown))
The blame game is not terribly honest on either side. However, in terms of underwriting powers on which the housing crisis was generated, the Democrats have a lot to answer for. Some bullet points to keep in mind:

1) Freddie and Fannie Mae are GSEs (Government Sponsored Enterprises), not publicly or privately owned banks per se.
2) The authority to underwrite derivatives in the housing market was only possibly under the auspices of GSEs.
3) All the usual regulations banking regulations, that all other banks where subject to, did not apply to these GSEs. This includes being exempt from the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, or the Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002.
4) The Bush administration warned that these GSEs where a "potential problem" in 2001 (2002 budget request), and upgraded that a "systemic risk" in 2003.
5) After these GSEs were called out for financial misconduct by FHFA (Federal Housing Finance Agency) the Democrats stonewalled a Republican attempt at regulating these GSEs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_2D4mK95NQ

Now, was everything stated here true? Yes. Was everything stated completely fair? Maybe not entirely... In particular, consider Frank Raines quote from the above video:
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These assets are so riskless that their capital for holding them should be under 2%.
That lack of capital backing of course had catastrophic consequences. However, this claim was predicated on, among other things, an equation that won a Nobel Prize in economics. Called the Black-Scholes equation. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the equation itself, but the price setting mechanism described depending on setting derivative values based on the trade value of the underlying stock. Only the underwriting, through GSEs and the implied government backing that entailed, became such a hot commodity that there was no underlying stock available for trade. They ALL went into producing these derivatives, which were now setting their own market inflated value due to the false sense of security the financial instrument seemed to promise. Hence their value well exceeded any reasonable value of the underlying stock.

Of course it was made even more complex than even this, with even more promises of even low risk. To understand this side of the issue the best resource I know of is to watch a show aired by the Research Channel by the University of Washington called:
Are Mathematical Models the Cause for Financial Crisis in the Global Economy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhX0PGG-baI
It's fairly long but such is the price of remedying ignorance.

I may not not agree completely with Andrew W. Lo's outtake at the end, but if there is any point to take from all this it's that's this blame game, in and around politics, is just so much BS. Had someone had the foreknowledge and the power to put a stop to this before the actual crash, and actually done so, they would have been the scapegoat of this blame game, period. And there would have been NO, zero, evidence that the problems the fix created wasn't worse than the as yet nonexistent crash it prevented. If that was you, would you have payed the price of being the most hated person in the world to dish out hardships in order to ameliorate damages that had never occurred to date?
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on August 09, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
... if there is any point to take from all this it's that's this blame game, in and around politics, is just so much BS.

I've read your points with interest, and find them valid, and I tried to understand the videos linked (difficult because I am better in reading than listening, and because U.S. politics are not my specialisation  ;)).

Perhaps one should distinguish between good intentions and final outcomes, and perhaps, as a first step, one should drop the assumption that the U.S. president is the most powerful person in the world.

Clinton intended to increase house ownership, and a look at government debt and a couple of other economic indicators would confirm that he was overall a successful president. But he will remain also the one, historically, who started the housing bubble and deregulated the financial markets, and he'll be blamed for that; although we'll never know who exactly pushed that through the political process. Google for regulatory capture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture)...

Likewise, Obama intended to give health insurance to the poor. His intentions were watered down considerably, to the point that you may ask what is left of the original intention. He will be blamed for any side effects, of course. He will be, historically, the president of good intentions and watered-down outcomes. And one might ask why he got so much financing during his campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008#Fundraising) against McCain.

However, imagine Bush would have been followed by Romney - where would the U.S. stand right now? But of course, Americans firmly believe that the Reps are fighting for them (David Brooks, NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/opinion/the-triumph-of-hope-over-self-interest.html)):

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The most telling polling result from the 2000 election was from a Time magazine survey that asked people if they are in the top 1 percent of earners. Nineteen percent of Americans say they are in the richest 1 percent.

Which means they don't have the faintest idea what it means to be really in the top 1% class, the one whose interests Romney will defend in case he wins.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: MichaelW on August 09, 2012, 10:28:06 PM
Or it means that 19% of Americans regularly practice lying, hoping one day to be a successful politician :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on August 10, 2012, 12:39:16 AM
> The most telling polling result from the 2000 election was from a Time magazine survey that asked people if they are in the top 1 percent of earners. Nineteen percent of Americans say they are in the richest 1 percent.

I have seen this before and found it to be genuinely funny. It tells you something about the people who were surveyed. I have never had anything against someone who can make a buck$ but I don't like people who do it at someone elses expense. My problem is I am a laissez faire capitalist which entails making your own money, competing and doing what you do better, I have never had much regard for those who pervert effective capitalism with dirty tricks, buddies in government and the like. That ends up being a flavour of fascism although it tends to get dressed up as jingo capitalism.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on August 10, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
that tells me that the 19% are idiots - lol
people who are in the top 1% "aren't available" to be surveyed

just goes to show - you don't have to be smart to be wealthy
it's more a matter of moral values
the wealthier you are, the lower your standards
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on August 12, 2012, 01:24:09 AM
Well the presidential election is all but over. President Obama is certain to be elected to a second term. Mitt Romney has chosen Paul Ryan as his VP running mate. Not only has Romney lost the Middle-Class voter, the Hispanic voter, the African American voter, the Women voter, he has now lost the Independent voter. 

It seems clear that the Romney-Ryan ticket will focus on the Ryan plan which is likely to double President Obama’s lead in the polls. Ryan’s budget plans would have an impact on the most vulnerable here in the US which could add significant gains to President Obama’s re-election when the voters hear specific details about how the Ryan budget would affect Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, education, the poor, and the elderly.

Romney-Ryan, yes sir, it’s the rich voter's dream ticket!

"Path to Prosperity?" For Many Senior Citizens, VP Pick Ryan's Plan Would Be Path to the Poorhouse (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/path-to-prosperity-for-ma_b_1767573.html)

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on August 12, 2012, 07:54:26 PM
Hi Bill,

Romney-Ryan, yes sir, it’s the rich voter's dream ticket!

"Path to Prosperity?" For Many Senior Citizens, VP Pick Ryan's Plan Would Be Path to the Poorhouse (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/path-to-prosperity-for-ma_b_1767573.html)

good article which gives me an interesting view behind the scenes of the presidential elections. Thank you.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on August 13, 2012, 12:45:23 AM
"46.1 percent of Americans are now dying with less than $10,000" - impressive! And how much does their funeral cost?

For Germany, they found out that 28% lie below 25,000€ (30,000$)... not much better, actually ::)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on August 13, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
For Germany, they found out that 28% lie below 25,000€ (30,000$)... not much better, actually ::)

Yes, not much better and all things considered: that's a scandal.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Greenhorn on August 25, 2012, 05:32:00 AM
What is Romney hiding ?
Maybe or probably his swiss bank account and his tax flight.
If he will be the next president in the US, the swiss UBS wil applause ...

A little bitter satire: http://romneygirl.org/ (http://romneygirl.org/)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on August 27, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
Hi Greenhorn,

What is Romney hiding ?
Maybe or probably his swiss bank account and his tax flight.
If he will be the next president in the US, the swiss UBS wil applause ...

you know that since a few years the best place for illegal earnings isn't Switzerland, but Delaware. Interesting, isn't it?

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on August 27, 2012, 02:29:15 AM
as i recall, Delaware has rather lenient tax laws for businesses - as do many of the New England states
many businesses have their fiscal headquarters there, even though the actual brick-and-mortar is elsewhere
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 08, 2012, 04:00:05 AM
What I would give to punch that pussy Paul Ryan in the face. What an ass!! There was no reason for this to happen.

Listen to the remark he makes about a concerned frightened 71 year old voter who wanted to question Ryan about SS and Medicare.

Dramatic video: 71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan (http://youtu.be/GBhdXfCdaA8)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: anunitu on September 08, 2012, 08:01:40 AM
Bill,I would love to believe that President Obama is a shoe in,but I can't forget just how stupid some voters can be.  I watched something Bill Maher did a video down south talking to VERY poor folks,one guy stood out..He was living it what could only be described as a shotgun shack,or a pile of wood barely able to stay upright. He had perhaps 3 teeth in his mouth,and was on Government assistance and food stamps,and was republican and railed against all the "Moochers" sucking Gov money. When asked about his food stamps he replied "BUT I DESERVE IT"..I really hope he doesn't vote,but really I am not even sure he can read.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 10, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
Bill,I would love to believe that President Obama is a shoe in,but I can't forget just how stupid some voters can be.

anunitu,

You are right about that, any American voter who reads Matt Taibbi’s story on the life of Mitt Romney and how he made his fortune and yet votes for this greedy son-of-a-bitch is indeed nothing more then a moron!

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Obama ran on "change" in 2008, but Mitt Romney represents a far more real and seismic shift in the American landscape. Romney is the frontman and apostle of an economic revolution, in which transactions are manufactured instead of products, wealth is generated without accompanying prosperity, and Cayman Islands partnerships are lovingly erected and nurtured while American communities fall apart. The entire purpose of the business model that Romney helped pioneer is to move money into the archipelago from the places outside it, using massive amounts of taxpayer-subsidized debt to enrich a handful of billionaires.

Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital - How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs and stuck others with the bill (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz263wbcmeM)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 17, 2012, 06:31:34 AM
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Mitt Romney spent nearly $100,000 in state funds to replace computers in his office at the end of his term as governor of Massachusetts in 2007 as part of an unprecedented effort to keep his records secret, Reuters has learned.
Romney staff spent nearly $100,000 to hide records (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-usa-campaign-romney-computers-idUSTRE7B500X20111206)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 18, 2012, 05:42:35 AM
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Mitt Romney spent nearly $100,000 in state funds to replace computers in his office at the end of his term as governor of Massachusetts in 2007 as part of an unprecedented effort to keep his records secret, Reuters has learned.
Romney staff spent nearly $100,000 to hide records (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-usa-campaign-romney-computers-idUSTRE7B500X20111206)


Interesting is that:

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Those actions erased much of the internal documentation of Romney's four-year tenure as governor, which ended in January 2007. Precisely what information was erased is unclear.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 18, 2012, 06:59:06 AM
Hi Gunther,

Romney does seem to have a need to hide things that would be important to the public in evaluating him for the presidency. Fortunately it’s looking more and more like his chances of becoming president are fading the closer we get to the election. The guys a toad and hopefully the coming debates will show just what kind of toad he is.

Romney/Ryan = Losers!! :icon13:

Where's clive hiding? Come on clive, you can't really be backing these two losers can you?? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 18, 2012, 07:05:59 AM
Hi Bill,

Romney does seem to have a need to hide things that would be important to the public in evaluating him for the presidency. Fortunately it’s looking more and more like his chances of becoming president are fading the closer we get to the election. The guys a toad and hopefully the coming debates will show just what kind of toad he is.

Romney/Ryan = Losers!! :icon13:

unfortunately, that's not sure. It's a long way to go to the election and a lot of things can happen.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 18, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
Hi Bill,

unfortunately, that's not sure. It's a long way to go to the election and a lot of things can happen.

Gunther

Its over for the GOP Gunther, the only way they can possibly win is to steal the election and they are giving it a hard try in doing just that. For example here in PA unless the PA court overturns it you are required to have a photo ID before you will be permitted to vote. This will disenfranchise up to 500,000 perhaps more PA citizens. These are mostly the elderly and city citizens that do not have a need for a driver’s license or other form of photo ID. You must get a photo ID from PENNDOT and reports so far indicate that only some 10,000 of the up to 500,000 voters have been able to get one of these required photo ID’s. This requirement has become a lightning rod for supporters of President Barack Obama when a top state Republican lawmaker said in June that the ID requirement is going to allow Mitt Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.

Pa. Supreme Court weighs voter ID arguments (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57512275/pa-supreme-court-weighs-voter-id-arguments/)


I get sick to my stomach at the GOP’s continuing attempt to turn the word "entitlement" into a bad word. Entitlement means for most in this country "earned benefits", those of us who have worked hard our entire lives and have paid our share into the system. This sick minded son-of-a-bitch Mitt Romney insults every retired American, all those who are poor do to no fault of their own and every single child who goes to bed each night hungry. Mitt Romney, his side-kick Ryan and the GOP mindset can all drop dead!

 Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser?wpisrc=nl_pmfix)

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The current view of the 2012 presidential election. (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: sinsi on September 18, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
I can't get over the fact that you USAians don't have compulsory voting. Last election only 57% voted. Why?

Over here you get a fine for not voting, but all you have to do is get your name crossed off the list.
Once they give you your ballot papers it's up to you to fill them out or 'donkey vote', just put them in the boxes.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 18, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
Hi sinsi,

Depends on the state. Some states have mail in voter forms available, most do not so if you have no means to get to a voting location you’re shit out of luck. This can be a real problem for the elderly and none driving citizens. Add to that the need to have a photo ID and you're screwed!

I agree with the Aussie system, voting should be compulsory.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: sinsi on September 18, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
>Some states have mail in voter forms available
If you're out of your voting area on election day you can get a postal vote over here but you have to prove that you can't make it to a local polling booth e.g. out of state.

>I agree with the Aussie system, voting should be compulsory.
When I was younger it was a pain, now I'm older (and hopefully wiser) it makes sense. Proper democracy, one citizen one vote.
You can't complain about the government unless you voted. For or against doesn't matter, take the time to vote.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 19, 2012, 03:16:40 AM
Hi Bill,

This sick minded son-of-a-bitch Mitt Romney insults every retired American, all those who are poor do to no fault of their own and every single child who goes to bed each night hungry. Mitt Romney, his side-kick Ryan and the GOP mindset can all drop dead!

hard words, in fact. But don't forget: It is meaningless to fight against persons; we've to change the institutions for a system change.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: japheth on September 21, 2012, 12:51:16 AM

Hm, a few Obama fans here...
I don't know if Mr. Romney is a good candidate, and I also don't bother what he's talking all the day long - I'm no American.

However, in a democracy it's very important that an incapable government isn't rewarded with reelection. In fact, that's virtually the only benefit of a democracy at all. So THE question should be - was Mr. Obama a capable president?

Looking at the economical and financial figures I'd say: No. The only strategy that they had and have, was: cheap money and more cheap money.


Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: mywan on September 21, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
I'm not an Obama fan. There's just no freaking way I'm voting for the alternatives available...
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 21, 2012, 08:45:03 PM
:icon14: :icon14: :icon14: :icon14: :icon14:

Jon Stewart sure can tell it like it is!

This is a great must see video!!!!!!!

Chaos On Bullsh*t Mountain (http://videos.mediaite.com/video/Jon-Stewart-091912;recently_viewed)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 22, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/crackmeup.gif)

I'm A Moocher!

http://soundcloud.com/mike-in-raleigh/im-a-moocher

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 22, 2012, 09:47:05 PM
Like I said before I don't think Romney/Ryan will be getting the senior vote. :biggrin:

Paul Ryan repeatedly booed by seniors at AARP convention (http://youtu.be/W9c-j2AZPoM)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 22, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
Hi Bill,

Like I said before I don't think Romney/Ryan will be getting the senior vote. :biggrin:

Paul Ryan repeatedly booed by seniors at AARP convention (http://youtu.be/W9c-j2AZPoM)

but another important question is: what is with the voters from the bible belt?

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 22, 2012, 11:44:16 PM
Gunther,

The funny thing about the bible belt or red states is they are the biggest portion of Romney's 47% who he claims are moochers.  :biggrin:

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You know even though I'm getting real close to turning 62 I still enjoy the animated cartoon "The Simpsons". At times it makes me laugh out loud!!

(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/crackmeup.gif)

 THE SIMPSONS - Romney vs Obama 2012 Homer VOTES!! (http://youtu.be/xQThLVxqM94)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 23, 2012, 04:07:05 AM
Bill,

Gunther,

The funny thing about the bible belt or red states is they are the biggest portion of Romney's 47% who he claims are moochers.  :biggrin:

that information shows the question in a new light for me.

You know even though I'm getting real close to turning 62 I still enjoy the animated cartoon "The Simpsons". At times it makes me laugh out loud!!

that's a bit tricky. We can watch "The Simpsons" in the German TV, too. But that's synchronised (with German audio). This is the reason why sometimes the pun is getting loss.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: CodeDog on September 24, 2012, 11:58:25 PM

Hm, a few Obama fans here...
In fact, that's virtually the only benefit of a democracy at all. So THE question should be - was Mr. Obama a capable president?

....or, WERE his voters capable voters.  :biggrin:

When you speak of "the only benefit of a democracy", we can only be speaking of relatively to other forms of governing, and when we do that democracy does not only have one benefit, I think the whole middle east is a good example of that.  :biggrin:

Title: Gallup Poll: Rural Whites Prefer Ahmadinejad To Obama
Post by: jj2007 on September 29, 2012, 06:11:27 AM
Gallup Poll: Rural Whites Prefer Ahmadinejad To Obama (http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/29/29677/FARS.png)

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CHARLESTON, WV—According to the results of a Gallup poll released Monday, the overwhelming majority of rural white Americans said they would rather vote for Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than U.S. president Barack Obama.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on September 29, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
 :biggrin:

Well, I guess that would solve the standoff between the US and Iran, Ahmadinejad for President !
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on September 29, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
It is getting to the point that rural white males are the only folks willing to back Mitt Romney. And they are in many cases the true moochers Romney complains about sucking off the government tit, those of whom he says feel they are entitled to government handouts but they are too stupid to realize that they are the ones he speaks of.

Dumb white male bigots.
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/redneck.jpg)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on September 29, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Hi Bill,

nice picture of true moochers.  :t

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: anunitu on September 29, 2012, 10:31:03 PM
Quite frankly I wonder why anyone would want to be President,it has to be one of the worst Jobs ever. Every time I see Obama on tv his hair gets grayer and the lines are growing on his face. The job ages people very fast. I you look at pics of Bush when he first won,and then when he left office you can see what 8 years did to him.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: CodeDog on September 30, 2012, 03:55:20 AM
Obama is getting really grey indeed.  :lol:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on September 30, 2012, 05:30:37 AM
is that guy on the left a unix user ?   :lol:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: K_F on September 30, 2012, 09:49:51 AM
Bobby and Brad Gates if i remember correctly  ;)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on October 01, 2012, 12:25:36 AM
... Brad Gates ...

are you sure or is it a slip of the pen? :badgrin:

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: cman on October 03, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
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It is getting to the point that rural white males are the only folks willing to back Mitt Romney.

This is sort of the irony of the situation.  The areas that the Republicans seem to take in more tax dollars then they pay into the system , all the while complaining about taxes:


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
 (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps)

Seems the "red state" areas collect less revenue and pay less in federal revenue,  and then receive money from the high tax areas to make up the difference. Its almost like the "low tax" states just end up taking money from the "high tax" states so that they can give big tax cuts to the wealthy and business. Just another way to transfer wealth upward , I guess.....

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 05, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
This guy Romney is something else! Here's the latest flip-flop from the master of flip-flopping. First he made it clear that he stood by his statements about the 47% being moochers now he's stating he was completely wrong when he referred to 47% of the US population as being moochers. Unbelievable!!

Romney Says He was ‘Completely Wrong’ About ’47 Percent’ Comments (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/romney-says-he-was-completely-wrong-about-47-percent-comments/)

How can anyone vote for this guy? :icon13:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 05, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
Romney really has no shame. Evil, evil, person!!

http://youtu.be/-GBGIFdahSo

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The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid
Coal miners lost pay when Mitt Romney visited their mine to promote coal jobs. (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/coal_miners_lost_pay_when_mitt.html)
 
How can anyone vote for this guy!!
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: CodeDog on October 05, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
(http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/mitt_romney_0706.jpg?w=600&h=400&crop=1)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 06, 2012, 02:45:49 AM
You know whats really sick is that the Right can't stand the fact that the US unemployment rate is dropping and that the economy is looking better by the day under President Obama.

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The U.S. unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent last month, dropping below 8 percent for the first time in nearly four years and giving President Barack Obama a potential boost with the election a month away.
Jobs Report: U.S. Economy Adds 114,000 Jobs In September; Jobless Rate Down To 7.8 Percent (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jobs-report-unemployment-rate_n_1942067.html)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on October 06, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
well - i wouldn't put too much into the "improving" economy - or the jobless figures
much of that is a simple matter of massaging the numbers
the unemployment numbers do not include those who are not getting unemployment checks
and - i doubt it matters who is president or which party he is in
the things that need to be fixed are mostly outside his range of capabilities
i would guess that the only economies that are really improving are China, India, Pakistan
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 07, 2012, 05:45:23 AM
Well Dave I don’t know what the situation is like down there in Arizona but I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there are plenty of jobs out there. The Bureau of Labor Statistics report states there are 3.5 million jobs open across the country, most of which are open because employers can’t find workers with the skills to fill them. Here in the PA Ohio areas there is a growing need for welders, plumber/pipe fitters, electricians, big machine operators, engineers, and tradesmen of all sorts. When I travel about my area I see help wanted signs at many businesses. People need to get off there lazy asses and get a job. There are jobs out there if you want to work.

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 12, 2012, 05:43:19 AM
Go to Google and type in the two words completely wrong then click on the "Images" link at the top.

This is so funny!! (http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/crackmeup.gif)

I don't know why this happens but there it is.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=completely%20wrong&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35243188&biw=1610&bih=774&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ORB3UJeQHKyD0QHkx4DICA

Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on October 12, 2012, 05:58:57 AM
 :biggrin:

i like this one...
(http://narwhaler.com/img/lg/w/programming-doing-it-completely-wrong-lGw73f.jpg)
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on October 12, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
Hi Bill,

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=completely%20wrong&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35243188&biw=1610&bih=774&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ORB3UJeQHKyD0QHkx4DICA

a cool link and cool images.  :t

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on October 12, 2012, 09:08:11 PM
Fox News and the Right are calling it a conspiracy on the part of Google.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on October 12, 2012, 11:27:55 PM
Hi Bill,

Fox News and the Right are calling it a conspiracy on the part of Google.  :biggrin:

to call it a conspiracy seems always a good idea. It's a well known right wing behaviour pattern.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: jj2007 on November 14, 2012, 05:21:48 AM
It is getting to the point that rural white males are the only folks willing to back Mitt Romney. And they are in many cases the true moochers Romney complains about sucking off the government tit

Bill,
Don't misunderestimate (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-01-08/news/17914946_1_bushisms-president-bush-words-and-phrases) the rural white females (CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57548845-504083/holly-solomon-pregnant-arizona-wife-runs-over-husband-for-not-voting-in-presidential-election-police-say/)):

Quote
Holly Solomon, a pregnant Arizona woman, was arrested Saturday after she allegedly ran over her husband with the family SUV when she learned that he did not vote in the presidential election, CBS affiliate KPHO reports.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on November 14, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
Hi Jochen,

That’s one crazy woman! Just imagine if her husband had wanted to vote for Prez Obama (which is probably what he wanted to do but was scared to death of her reaction). She’d have no doubt shot him with a handgun cause you know here in the states most crazy people have easy access to handguns.

We have so many nut cases in this country that 20 U.S. States have filed secession petitions seeking permission for their states to secede from the United States since Prez Obama got re-elected. Yes sir, we are one crazy fucking country!

 Secession petitions filed in 20 states (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html)


Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on November 14, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
lol - you are putting words (or weapons) in her mouth, Bill
she is a nutjob - and she is a republican - but, i am sure there are many democrat nut-jobs, as well
being an idiot is not reserved for one race, gender, religion, or political affiliation

on the other hand - she lives very close to me - and i will watch what i say when i am out and about
i'd hate to get run over by her
i suspect they'll take her license away, at the very least, that doesn't mean she won't drive - lol
she should get attempted murder
but what should happen and what does happen seem less and less related, these days

one thing, for sure
if that guy wanted to get a divorce, now would be a good time to file
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: mywan on November 15, 2012, 04:59:06 AM
We have so many nut cases in this country that 20 U.S. States have filed secession petitions seeking permission for their states to secede from the United States since Prez Obama got re-elected. Yes sir, we are one crazy fucking country!
Wrong. Not a single "state" has filed a petition to secede from the union. This is an internet based petition and many of the signers are from other states voting good riddance.  :badgrin:

Do you have any clue what the legal and realistic consequences are? Or the difference between state business and a bunch on the internet rabble rousing? It's actually quiet hilarious.  :P
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Bill Cravener on November 15, 2012, 07:05:41 AM
Here are but a few of the nut cases we have here in the states. There are many more loonies that hate President Obama and would do him harm if they could. It is alarming to think that anyone of the many nuts we have in this country that wish to do harm to President Obama could so easily acquire a handgun.

• In California, Denise Helms lost her job at Coldstone Creamery following an election night tweet in which she hoped for Obama’s assassination. Helms wrote, “And another 4 years of the n*****…maybe he will get assassinated this term.!!”, prompting a Secret Service investigation. After the tweet went viral, Helms defended herself on Facebook and in an interview with a local TV station, saying that she had only been stating her own opinion. ”I didn’t think it would be that big of a deal,” Helms told a local Sacramento TV affiliate FOX40. “The assassination part is kind of harsh. I’m not saying I’d go do that or anything like that, by any means, but if it was to happen I don’t think I’d care one bit.”

• An Arizona woman who blamed Obama for her family’s economic problems reportedly ran over her husband with her SUV after yelling at him for not voting. Holly Solomon, 28, was charged with domestic violence and aggravated assault after she pinned her husband, Daniel Solomon, between her car and a curb, in a store parking lot. Daniel Solomon, who remained in the hospital with critical injuries, said that his wife “just hated Obama”. Even without Daniel Solomon’s vote, Mitt Romney won Arizona.

• Henry Hamiltion, 64, a Key West tanning salon owner who had been worried about his business, was found dead in his home Nov. 8, with the words “F*** Obama!” written over his will, the Miami Herald reported. Hamilton was found near empty prescription bottles and had reportedly told his partner, Michael Cossey, that if Obama were re-elected, “I’m not going to be around.” Police said they suspected no foul play in Hamilton’s death.

• On election night, around 400 University of Mississippi students protested on campus, some using racial slurs and setting Obama campaign signs on fire. Two students were arrested on minor charges for the protest. Students at the university staged a candlelight vigil.

• Police say someone fired a shot at the Obama campaign's Denver headquarters Friday afternoon. No one was injured, though people were inside the offices when the incident occurred, said Denver police spokeswoman Raquel Lopez. "It looks like it was one shot that was fired into the structure," she said. The incident happened at about 3 p.m. at the campaign's offices on West Ninth Avenue near Acoma Street, Lopez said. Sam Levin, a reporter for the alternative newspaper Westword, later posted a photo on Twitter showing one of the office's large, front windows broken out.
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: hutch-- on November 15, 2012, 09:26:31 AM
Now if the guy who was run over had any brains he would have just lied to his GOP voting wife. "Yeah babe, voted for John McCain today with no problems but HEY, ain't that a hot ass on Sarah whatever her name is".  :P
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on November 16, 2012, 02:18:03 AM
well - the McCain thing was last time around - lol
but, you got the idea - he could have told her he voted for romney
thing is - most polling places here in the states give you a little sticker or button that says "I Voted"   :lol:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: K_F on November 16, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
People get too worked up over politics\politicians... !!
Why bother with those filthy, lying, no-do-gooders, BS..ing their way around and the gullible donkeys that believe them... bah !! someone should.. ....

'Hang On!.. there's a knock at the door!!...'
Land of the free  :bgrin:  :biggrin:

 :exclaim:
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: Gunther on November 17, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
Hi K_F,

Land of the free  :bgrin:  :biggrin:

you did forget: home of the brave.

Gunther
Title: Re: Even conservatives wonder what Romney is hiding.
Post by: dedndave on November 18, 2012, 12:58:36 AM
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chipper+Jones+New+York+Yankees+v+Atlanta+Braves+n00cknC4GoVl.jpg)

(http://www.iheartreykjavik.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/icelandic_hotdog.jpg)

(http://media.canada.com/07594e89-b6a2-4c43-823c-507cf9085fdd/0806-green-fest-beer.jpg)

EDIT:
you're looking at about $15, not including the ticket to the game - lol