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Title: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 14, 2017, 04:20:42 PM
hi guys

Any news of farabi ?  What happened to him ?
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 14, 2017, 07:01:40 PM
Nothing for a long time. I don't know what happened to him.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: cman on April 15, 2017, 03:53:06 AM
I haven't seen him here for sometime ( I hope he is ok ). I remember him saying he would "take a leave" a long while ago. I've read he has a problem with drugs or something..
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 15, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Yeah, i remember reading it. He was talking to Steve  about this (if i remember well).

I hope he is ok . We have no news from him in more then 1 year
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 16, 2017, 05:26:47 AM
Remember he is in Indonesia and from a news story(vice on HBO) they are pushing for Sharia law because they said the TSUNAMI that hit before was a warning from GOD..So,it might be he got snached for something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/asia/indonesia-sharia-law-aceh.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/asia/indonesia-sharia-law-aceh.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 16, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
Don´t know what is worst...an eventual drug problem or this crazy religious fanaticism (which turned onto terrorism) that is causing the death of thousands of people around the world.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 16, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
A lot of that going around these days..Our(US) Opioid problem,and the rash of OD's and the Crazy religious stuff(The US breeds its own version of crazy religious groups)
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Magnum on April 18, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
< A lot of that going around these days..Our(US) Opioid problem,and the rash of OD's and the Crazy religious stuff(The US breeds its own version of crazy religious groups)

You have some pat answers, but little wisdom.

There will always be people who abuse substances.

My brother died at my mom's house because of an O.D.

It IS not confined to the U.S.

Regarding crazy religious groups.

Churches have founded many universities and colleges.

Same with many hospitals.

When the news  reports folks that help needy, do you see atheists helping out ?

 
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 18, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
When I say crazy,it might refer to the church that protests at veterans funerals with insulting signs. I myself have had friends that died from drugs,just that it seems to be epidemic these days.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 18, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
Not familiar with the abbreviation. what does O.D. means ? Overdose ?

About religion, well...all fanaticism is a terrible thing to anyone. But, in the past years, the islamic fanaticism took global scale and transformed what was supposed to be only one more religion (among 10000 existent in the planet) as one of the most terrifying mind manipulation systems that mankind ever saw before.

Sure, i´m not talking about muslin´s be or not a bad religion or not. Personally i have serious doubts that the Corán have anything that can be mistaken by a guide of terror, afterall what is written in a religious book is _not_ to be taken literally, since the information is spread basically on a metaphoric or philosophical way. The bible, Corán, baghava Ghita, Ramayana and all those religious books, are primarily made for the benefit of a given community or society, spreading spiritualism, ideologies and the good will of the people who tend to follow what is written.

The problem is mainly with fanaticism and the usage (bad usage, in fact) of few people so called "religious leaders" that tend to misguide the ones that follows them. (not only with islamism, of course, but Cristianism also have the same problem).

Unfortunately, terrorism around the globe is taking shape of religious issue and quite frankly i truly fear for the future of the next generations. We are, literally coming back to the middle age era.

Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 18, 2017, 03:30:38 PM
Yeh,OD = Overdose.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 18, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
The general drift is that opioids are too easy to get in the US and you are seeing the results now. A number of well known entertainers have died from using an excess of Oxycontin and similar drugs mixed as a cocktail with a variety of others. While I am not into prohibitionism, keeping specific types of drugs for special purposes makes sense and morphine/heroin style drugs are not things that need to be freely available as it turns many into smack addicts.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 18, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
I used to(In my younger days)be in the drug scene. I am a bit surprised so many are ending up strung out and ODing from things. Back in the old days for me,Smack was considered a stupid choice,as was speed(speed kills).. And as you said to easy to get now.-
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 18, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Religion is a synonym for: Hate, Murder, No Respect, Insanety, Power Control, Mind Control, Mental instability, Slavery, Terror, Organized crime, No Freedom, Rape, it's illogical, it's public enemy no. 1.

No wonder why some people take hard drugs to escape this insanity.  :(

Now you also know why the extraterrestrials keep us in quarantine.  :bgrin:
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 18, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
Someone leaked about the extraterrestrials?...Why we can't have nice things...
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 18, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
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Now you also know why the extraterrestrials keep us in quarantine.

I want to believe

(....)
in weed

:greensml: :greensml: :greensml: :greensml: :greensml:

(http://img03.deviantart.net/9328/i/2013/251/2/f/tribute_to_the_old_alien_cartoon_by_marihuano420-d540shi.png)
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 18, 2017, 11:02:21 PM
Religion divides, Weed unites.  :biggrin:

Peace man.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 19, 2017, 02:14:43 AM
 :biggrin:

Depends on who's propaganda you read, some say that the extra terrestrials ARE the gods.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 19, 2017, 02:22:10 AM
Hmmm,might want to inform Magnam about that possibility..Just saying..
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: LordAdef on April 19, 2017, 05:34:29 AM
Religion is a synonym for: Hate, Murder, No Respect, Insanety, Power Control, Mind Control, Mental instability, Slavery, Terror, Organized crime, No Freedom, Rape, it's illogical, it's public enemy no. 1.

No wonder why some people take hard drugs to escape this insanity.  :(

Now you also know why the extraterrestrials keep us in quarantine.  :bgrin:

+1 for all of what he said, including the ufo bit
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 19, 2017, 06:23:23 AM
I am a bit more tolerant than that, I have seen my share of people from churches and similar who have done much over a lifetime for others but equally I have seen institutions of religion that have done appalling things so I am inclined to support the good and reject the bad. While I am not of Catholic origin, the best hospital in Australia in a Catholic run Saint Vincent's Hospital within walking distance of where I live and on the odd occasion where I have ended up there I have been treated well.

One humerous aside is I get on famously well with the old nuns but there are few left now as it is rare for a woman to enter a nunnery these days. Some I have met over time came from Ireland when they were in their late teens and have worked in their order all of their life, usually doing kind and careful charity work while living in near poverty.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 19, 2017, 07:50:20 AM
I'm very tolerant regarding ideas or lifestyles of other people as long as they are friendly and peaceful and don't want to control my way of life.  ;)
Religion as an institution can not offer me that.
Luckily you don't have to be religious to do good things for other people.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 19, 2017, 07:56:14 AM
Religion is something that can be good,but the sad thing is some "Believers" use the "Religion" as a reason to oppress others.

Truth it is usually a "people" thing,more than a religious thing.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 19, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
Totally agree with you that some people themselves are bad and use religion as an excuse.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: LordAdef on April 19, 2017, 08:43:28 AM
Religion (as Football) is a sensible topic, subject to various reactions. I normally opt to stay away from such conversations. I attended a Catholic school myself, but have no religion.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 19, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
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I normally opt to stay away from such conversations.

I tried, but failed....

Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: guga on April 19, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
"Luckily you don't have to be religious to do good things for other people." Couldn´t agree more :)

Personally, i don´t like dogmas. Although i was catholic when i was a child, life taught me that we don´t have to be inside any religion to be a good people.  I sympathize with oriental philosophy religion style such as in Budism, Spiritism, but, not to follow anything.

In these 45 years of existence, i knew a lot of so called "religious" people that committed insane things that have absolutely no relation with religion (It´s rare to see fanatic religious people actually helping others or making charity for example) and also knew lots of atheist whose nobility of character would made the Pope or Jesus itself (not assuming he existed or not) be ashamed. Sure the opposite is also true.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: caballero on April 19, 2017, 07:02:21 PM
Since we do not know if (any) God exists, the belief about its existence or non-existence is a matter of faith (religion). Therefore, both theism and atheism are religions since they base their belief in faith. I think that the best thing is to attend to reason as much as possible. The faith above reason can cloud it. Therefore the most reasonable position would be agnosticism.

In this respect Blaise Pascal said that the most reasonable position would be to believe in God as a hypothetical bet on game theory for the greatest gain:
- You can believe in God; If it exists, then you will go to heaven.
- You can believe in God; If it does not exist, then you will not win anything.
- You can not believe in God; If it does not exist, then you will not earn anything either.
- You can not believe in God; If it exists, then you will not go to heaven.

To which responded the atheist Richard Dawkins that if you believe in God only as a goal of gain, assuming that it existed, would be penalized. God would most appreciate an unbeliever, for his greater honesty.

Nietzsche advocated "the death" of God. In the sense of atheism, that is to say, to remove the barrier of religious morality to man so that, without attachment, he reaches his fullness. To me personally, this scares me. The human being must have ethical or religious barriers. Not everything is valid. As an example I would propose the continuous degradation of the world by humanity or the "advances" in genetic engineering at the expense of the unborn.

If atheism, like any religion, has its own vicious tendencies such as imposition, etc. is added the elimination of any ethical barrier, I do not like it.

I like the idea of Blaise Pascal, but even more the supremacy of reason. Therefore I would say that I would like to believe in the existence of God. What is a point to the right of agnosticism.

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Atheism          Agnosticism             Theism
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                     the most reasonable position
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Siekmanski on April 19, 2017, 08:15:39 PM
- You can not believe in God; If it exists, then you will not go to heaven.

Spock would have said; That's illogical.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: mineiro on April 19, 2017, 10:14:31 PM
The first hospital and university created on Brazil was done by catholic church. Only after that politicals and aristocrats see a way to create money from this. When you need a hospital they don't ask you your religion.
This is about new order, hidden persons that controls world like this intrigues, let's play black against white, man against woman, religion against religion, let's protect minorities, handle childrens, abortion, homosexuality, ... .
We are all different one with each other, but laws being created treat us as being equal.

Well, Jesus really walked on this planet, a lot of evidences but persons today prefer believe on extraterrestrials.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on April 19, 2017, 11:09:16 PM
Not sure how we got to this point in the thread,BUT it looks like we forgot it started out about  farabi  Where has that guy gotten off to?
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: Magnum on April 21, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
Farabi may be going thru some very hard times.

I know I have.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: aw27 on April 21, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
- You can believe in God; If it exists, then you will go to heaven.
We can believe in God, and have serious doubts about the existence of any such place.
God is just a name for the prima causa of things within our experience, we can not conceive existence without a prima causa. It is an axiome - we must take it for true to develop theories and religions.
Still, it does not answer the question of the prima causa of the existence of God itself.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 22, 2017, 01:00:58 AM
 :biggrin:

That is the argument by the Catholic saint Thomas Aquinas. Its called "The First Mover".
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: aw27 on April 22, 2017, 05:09:49 AM
:biggrin:

That is the argument by the Catholic saint Thomas Aquinas. Its called "The First Mover".

Really? I thought I had invented it. :badgrin:
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on April 22, 2017, 11:52:23 AM
I am not sure that it would be worth your effort to aspire to be a Catholic saint.  :P
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: K_F on April 24, 2017, 06:55:26 AM
If you're in need of finding the Gods.. read up on the Sumerians.
Throws a real curve-ball into things  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: nidud on April 24, 2017, 07:50:04 AM
 :biggrin:

The story Marduk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk) is interesting, but his son, the hammer of God (or hammur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi) as we say) is probably more relevant in this case. He was the one creating all these commandments and stone tablets.

My personal favorite however is Loki who came down and created Lukka Lands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukka_lands) in the southern part of Turkey. This is where the oldest dateable runes are found.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: HSE on April 24, 2017, 08:17:51 AM
A little search allow to see that he change his name in 2013, a muslim one.
But, interestling Farabi disappeared around Sukabumi dealers and users detention (http://jabar.pojoksatu.id/sukabumi/2016/01/26/digerebek-saat-pesta-ganja-di-sukabumi-kronologisnya-lihat-disini/). 
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: LordAdef on April 24, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
I checked on his profile and there is this:

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Contact me at Whatsapp: 6283818314165

Maybe one of you should give it a try.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: LordAdef on April 27, 2017, 08:15:38 PM
My whatsapp can't find this number. Looks like he's out of whatsapp
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: mineiro on August 21, 2017, 04:40:25 AM
The first hospital and university created on Brazil was done by catholic church. Only after that politicals and aristocrats see a way to create money from this. When you need a hospital they don't ask you your religion.
This is about new order, hidden persons that controls world like this intrigues, let's play black against white, man against woman, religion against religion, let's protect minorities, handle childrens, abortion, homosexuality, ... .
We are all different one with each other, but laws being created treat us as being equal.

Well, Jesus really walked on this planet, a lot of evidences but persons today prefer believe on extraterrestrials.
So, my conspiration theory are coming true. Just a time question as we know. First was about Venezuela on other topic.
On this, Charlottesville, terror on Spain.

My next one? The anti-american feeling that exist on many countries will turn into anti-russian-chinese (Eurasia) on medium time.
I'm saying this because I have friends on both sides, I understand the necessity of both sides, and I don't have that feeling to any side. Time to reflect.
"The force we make to compress an object is the same force that the object will exert on us".
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: caballero on August 21, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
The scam of the stamp is that a clever pretends to be a fool, carries a bag of paper pretending to be money. In a place of great public always finds who to deceive, offering him the bag of little pieces for a little money. For this he uses a friend who convinces the unwary. This thymus is still active today. The swindler and the cheated are disgusting in equal parts.

> hidden persons that controls world like this intrigues
Yes, there are. I always put as an example the trends of fashion. There are some people who are dedicated to changing the fashion trends so that it is necessary to buy clothes that we do not really need. And they get it.

In general terms I consider that we are herd and there are certain birds of prey that shepherd us at will, but they do as in the scam of the stamp, exiting our low instincts, to get something that does not belong to us, when we finally only get worthless pieces of paper.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: mineiro on August 21, 2017, 11:46:33 PM
I thought of you caballero when I saw the news, luckily you were traveling, but what about the others? Well, your family, parents.
I also realize that before this forum existed a greater presence of the North Americans, today they write little, and I miss it. They are in an internal conflict there that I hope does not turn into a civil struggle.
That's why I write, because I see this happening and I do not settle for being silent. Someone has to expose the facts, a reality clash to not accommodate.
The solution is to join hands, accept that we are different but with one goal in common.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on August 22, 2017, 12:27:24 AM
Sad to say the last we saw of Onan was where he was starting to lose it and was becoming incoherent. If he is still with us, he may be in jail somewhere which may dry him out but makes his susceptible to many other serious problems.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: caballero on August 22, 2017, 12:36:26 AM
Thank you, mineiro. I live in Madrid, not Barcelona, so I'm fine so far for now. The irritant of this issue is that I believe that we have been the ones who have brought this problem to us consciously and not for goodness, now it is difficult to fix, either in Catalonia, Spain or Europe itself. You can only hope that it will not touch you.

As for the US, I do not follow much of its current situation, but I think that they begin to experience a political and social division that has long been installed would say in all Europe. I hope they get the best they can. And our forum's American friends get back here.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: mineiro on August 22, 2017, 12:40:09 AM
I remember Farabi posting on this board, when he get involved with drugs, posting that has been abduced, mind control, mind reading. He have tried to get out that when found a job but turned back again on drugs abuse. After that, no news.  :icon_confused:

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I remember a conversation I had with rrr probably earlier this year. He was emphatic in stating that we would create alliances because there are people in the US who want to destroy others.
I answered that there are alliances, one of them is BRICS. I want to talk openly with Russians, Indians, Chinese and South Americans, but it seems to me that they do not want to get involved in this.
I suppose for language difficulties or insight on the subject.
Is the US good or bad? It is not good to generalize, it is not good to have an opinion formed. We are all manipulated by the mainstream media to the point where we no longer reflect, we only swallow information that is not our problem.

I come from a family of military and politicians, one grandfather fought in WW2 while another was mayor of a town. That's why I have this human side that wants dialogue.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on August 22, 2017, 02:25:25 AM
I get to read and see a lot of analysis from the US about the internal problems in the US. Neither the people nor the elected government have much sway there when very powerful interests behind the scene exercise so much power that they are beholding to nobody. The endless wars to keep the armament industry going is not something that many Americans support and they certainly don't want to send their kids to some sh*thole in a foreign country to get maimed or killed.

A lot of these kids in the US army as basic grunts are there because they can't get a job, not because they want to go to war. The powers behind the scene just see them as cannon fodder to keep the wars going. The other factor is the massive amounts of money these parasites are dragging out of the US economy to fund all of this military hardware. They have been ripping the guts out of ordinary American taxpayers for years and put nothing back.

Back when the US had decent presidents, you had a war hero like IKE who identified the "Military Industrial Complex" as the great danger to America. His warning was not heeded and the damage is ongoing. John Kennedy was a person of vision with a good grasp of American history but after him the wheels fell off. All the way with LBJ, Trick E. Dicky, Gerald Who ? Ronny Ray Gun, Carter was an OK human being but a peanut politically, Clinton committed a grave injustice to a good Cuban cigar and lets not forget Daddy Bush and his imbecile son.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: anunitu on August 22, 2017, 03:21:32 AM
A lot of young people go into the military kind of because jobs,but the larger reason is Collage,something most do not have resources for,and also the Military trains you for a job when you get out. It used to be that being a veteran companies would hire you with no experience because you were more 
disciplined than the average high school kid,because the military trained you like that.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: nidud on August 22, 2017, 04:10:03 AM
So, socialism creates jobs and provide free education.

The US army is the largest employer and hence the largest socialistic enterprise in the world.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: rrr314159 on August 23, 2017, 01:12:34 PM
Neither the people nor the elected government have much sway there when very powerful interests behind the scene exercise so much power that they are beholding to nobody.

You got that right. Any foreign country that trusts "US" to do the right thing is in trouble. Any country that doesn't trust "US" is also in trouble. ... Conclusion: You guys are in trouble! Here's a country with thousands of nukes, whose hidden owners are monomaniacs who will never be satisfied no matter how much money they steal, and you worry about Russia and China. Those countries are your only hope when the sh*t hits the fan about 60 years from now. Treat them nice!

BTW, for the most part the rest of us are as decent as anyone else. But we have about as much power and influence as my cat.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on August 23, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
Yeah yeah but at least the cat won't get arrested for sharpening its claws on the front fence.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: sinsi on August 23, 2017, 03:52:00 PM
Depends on whose fence it is...
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: GoneFishing on August 23, 2017, 06:37:35 PM
... when the sh*t hits the fan about 60 years from now...

I see you have some unknown reason to mention that  "60 years" deadline more than once. Could you, please, shed a little light on it?

BTW I always wanted to ask if you have any  written works on simulation theory ?
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: rrr314159 on August 24, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
60 years: In 1976, the bicentennial, I realized things weren't working out so well. It turns out that 1973 was, in fact, a watershed. Gas prices skyrocketed, and the Middle East settled into the permanent "open sore" it is, draining money, resources and goodwill from USA. New York started putting the pedal to the metal. They had less than 10% of the wealth before that, now it's near 30%. I was in NY that year and somehow picked up on that attitude: "we own you". Many other signs were in the wind. I definitely didn't clearly understand much of this, but strongly felt the end had become inevitable, unlike 1969, when there was still hope. The party was over! Well, I compared the situation to Roman history. Around 200 AD writers like Juvenal felt much the way I did: the Empire was doomed. I saw prior parallels; WWI was the beginning of the US Empire, etc. And the Romans fell apart around 400 AD. I guessed things were progressing twice as fast in the modern era. Bottom line: the "end of USA" (whatever exactly that will mean) 100 years later, the Tricentennial, 2076. 60 years from now. It was just a guess but it was "my" guess :-) so I kept it in mind. Events have continued to line up pretty well for 40 years. Sometimes everyone else thought the end was "tomorrow" (like, 2009). Sometimes they all thought it would never end (1995 or so). But I always stuck to my prediction. Today I see no reason to change it! It might be 30 years, or 120. But it's not 10, or 200. The trends all look "good". Regular Americans reduced to nothing; Middle East situation spilling over into Europe; Russia and China military power overtaking USA; eveybody hates USA; and so forth. So, FWIW, that's my prediction.

Simulation: I've written a lot over the years but it's all pretty disposable. Here's two very recent posts from Quora on the topic, FWIW. I have more stuff floating around here and there.
https://www.quora.com/What-proof-do-we-have-that-matter-exists-physically-in-spacetime-that-discourages-the-simulation-hypothesis/answer/George-Rush-4?srid=udsI8
https://www.quora.com/If-our-reality-is-a-simulation-what-is-the-reality-of-the-beings-who-created-the-simulation-Doesnt-there-have-to-be-another-form-of-creation-somewhere-in-the-equation/answer/George-Rush-4?srid=udsI8
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: jj2007 on August 24, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
It turns out that 1973 was, in fact, a watershed. Gas prices skyrocketed

That is an interesting hypothesis (I agree with most of what you write btw). It is the first time that the primitive people who were born on top of a huge reserve of "brown gold" realised that they could act as an oligopoly, and become stinking rich. Soon after, the MIC realised that these people couldn't actually spend all that money for benign things alone, so they convinced them that military power is important etc. Combine that with boys studying at Western universities whose goal in life can be described as "son of stinking rich father", and you have the recipe for what is happening in Yemen, Syria and elsewhere. Perfect. The solution, btw, is taxing energy in the consumer countries, but cheap energy is a religious dogma in the U.S., and Europe alone can't reduce the economic power of the oil exporters to a reasonable level (plus, there are arms exporters also in D, F, ...).
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: hutch-- on August 24, 2017, 05:44:32 PM
> and the Middle East settled into the permanent "open sore" it is, draining money, resources and goodwill from USA.

I think you may be looking through rose coloured glasses here, in that time frame as earlier the US through its corporations and military support of same were sucking the life out of countries from central America to the middle east. I am much of the view that the US at the moment is far too powerful to be taken down by a foreign power but that it is being destroyed from within by a form of corporate cannibalism that will keep ripping the guts out of mainstream America until it is drained of the last viable resource it has.

Over the last couple of elections American voters have voted for the promise of change with both Obama and Trump but in both instances ordinary Americans have been disappointed as the underlying power in the US will block any attempt to change the status quo using any method they like. Very big money, massive corporations and massive debt dumped on ordinary American taxpayers funding the military/industrial complex is doing terminal damage to the US as a nation, decaying infrastructure, cities going bust, manufacturing shutting down and the inability to deal with emergencies like New Orleans are all signs of the destruction of the US and nothing seems to be stopping it.

Now of course the choice is to migrate to Canada or learn Mexican Spanish and go south, more radically would be to dump US citizenship and migrate to China or perhaps India as they are both "go ahead" economies or if you have a pioneering spirit, pick up some free land in Siberia ALA Vladimir and restart the wild west. Some Americans with enough money are becoming New Zealand citizens and probably a few here in OZ as well but sad to say OZ is trying to become like the US so there may be no gain there.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: GoneFishing on August 24, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
@rrr314159

Thanks for your answer and links to your  Quora postings.
I like your rational manner of  predicting the future. It's something like  Laplace's demon - the more you know  the more precise predictions you can make ...

I got interested in sim theory several years ago. Tweaking personal reality is current trend as I see it. 
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: nidud on August 24, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Iraq in the 1970s
(http://www.rudaw.net/ContentFilesArchive/271607Image1.jpg)

Afghanistan in 1970s
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH0-1MJXYAISyrp.jpg)

Afghanistan 1979/80:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAUdupZlzwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: rrr314159 on August 24, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
The solution, btw, is taxing energy in the consumer countries, ...

That's a fine idea, I'm all in favor of it ... but I don't think there is a "The solution". The situation is beyond any quick fix.

I think you may be looking through rose coloured glasses here, ...

Since everything you say is consistent with my view I deduce you mean that 60 years is too long. What would you say, 20?

Quote from: hutch
Now of course the choice is to migrate to Canada or learn Mexican Spanish and go south, more radically would be to dump US citizenship and migrate to China ...

But since I'm quite sure I'll be dead before my local support environment disintegrates, I don't need to go anywhere. If you're right, and it's as short as 20 years ... well, at that age perhaps a quick bullet or bomb will be welcome anyway

I got interested in sim theory several years ago. Tweaking personal reality is current trend as I see it.

In my software career my major projects were simulators (not games, but Navy and Merchant Marine) so it was very natural to imagine the universe itself is a sim. I predict, FWIW, that will be an acceptable mainstream hypothesis in about 20 years

@nidud thanks for reminding us of the personal cost paid by others (Mosul, Kabul) for the USA's ongoing transformation from "good guy" into "bad guy". I knew some of those people myself, in the 1970's. No doubt they're all much less happy today, if still alive. If it makes you feel less guilty, remember your own European countries will be feeling the impact of US bombs in about 60 years also

Finally, remember poor farabi, subject of this thread! Hope he's doing Ok wherever he is but I'm not optimistic
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: caballero on August 24, 2017, 10:09:00 PM
> Irak, Afganistan 60/70 ages
It would be fun if it were not painful. I've heard it hundreds of times. "We" (I do not know what "we" refer to, of course I was not) were guilty of the situation in the Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Consequently they are now legitimated to come and ... let's say do what they are doing. Whoever feels guilty, please, volunteer to the executioners of these people, but do not put the others in the middle. It will not take place, because you are in command, I fear that Europe is under a state of emergency, any dissident voice is fulminated.

It is always easier to blame your problems on others, but it is not usually the right thing to do.

> ... 60 years ...
There is another possibility and is that everything goes slowly slow and in 20 years we see an appreciable involution. But who remembers what happened 20 years ago? If the events were automatic: action/reaction, many stupidities would not take place, but things do not usually happen that way.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: GoneFishing on August 24, 2017, 10:43:14 PM
...
What would you say, 20?
...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqV7DB8Iwg ;)
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: six_L on August 25, 2017, 06:22:54 PM
Quote
Consequently they are now legitimated to come
since there was the nuclear weapon in Iraq and some terrorists in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Any news from farabi ?
Post by: mineiro on August 27, 2017, 08:04:29 AM
If they do that things on their own country they have hands out of their arms. On Ocidental world human rights will protect, they go to jail, after some time get out of jail because resocialize and are ready to do that again.
How many times we have seen this happening from religious point of view as an argument from ocidental world against oriental world? How many more need be killed? Europe today is so much elegance, so much patience, in the third world we are more troglodytes, we know whats happening.
Europe people is getting old and this is an open door to these things happen.