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Title: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on May 15, 2019, 03:23:11 AM
 :biggrin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSkNIpNWX0k
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on May 15, 2019, 04:23:22 AM
Who saves the earth from the "green" dictators?   :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: TimoVJL on May 15, 2019, 04:24:43 AM
https://www.davidicke.com  :P

If this is a RGB issue:
"red" dictators?
"blue" dictators?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on May 15, 2019, 05:01:18 AM
 :biggrin:

It feels more as a freedom issue.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on May 15, 2019, 06:45:30 AM
No, really that is ... sick. That guy is a footballer, and he is talking utter nonsense, sorry. The Club of Rome a secret society? Oh really? I am not a member, but they are all online (https://www.clubofrome.org/members-groups/full-members/), and I've worked with several of them. They are scientists, brilliant scientists actually. I am sad that you seem to believe in these sick conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: HSE on May 15, 2019, 08:27:12 AM
Somebody can say if there is something interesting to listen there?
Initial nonsense  distract me  :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: cman on May 17, 2019, 12:15:34 AM
Sounds like some of the conspiracy theory material from here in America.  :biggrin: You'd be surprised how prevalent and mainstream these sort of ideas are in the States. I've always been fascinated with why people believe these sorts of things. :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on May 17, 2019, 01:25:48 AM
 :biggrin:

> I am sad that you seem to believe in these sick conspiracy theories.

Yes, there are plenty of conspiracy theories, polar bears can't swim according to Al Gore, the rising seas were supposed to flood many of the coastal cities but it just has not happened at all.Historically the test of a prophet was if what they said came true or not and so many of these dire predictions have flopped.

The solution of course is to huddle in a cave freezing your arse off, blowing a joint (that you lit by rubbing 2 sticks together) while introspecting at your navel while contemplating suicide to save the planet.  :P
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: mikeburr on May 17, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
heres a rough attempt at calculating how much CO2 and O2 is produced/lost in two processes
..4*3.14  * 6371000**2 surface of the earth sq m = 5*10**14
10m depth is heated [this is a wild guess based on going in the sea in england !!!!!]
mass of a cubic metre of water = 1000 kg
= 5*10**18 kg
20 - 30 degree rise in temp releases
.006 gms oxygen / kg
and
.4 gms co2 /kg
 its an assumption that its not far off linear
so a 2-3 degree rise in the surface temp of the water on the planet releases
2*10**13 kg of co2
3*10**10 kg of oxygen
india consumtion of fossil fuels per year
6.6 million tonnes  diesel
2.7 million tonnes petrol
 say approx 10*10**9 kg and they correspond to about a fifth of the worlds population so
5 * 10 **10  and this if fully converted to CO2 makes 2 per kg of fuel
so total world production of CO2 per year approx 10**11 kg per year
and use of oxygen i think is = 3 per kg of fuel = loss of 3 * 10**11 kg
and results in a bit more than 1* 10**11 kg of water
you would have thought that we would have all suffocated by now or that the atmosphere would increased as a layer substantially and maybe that has happened ??...on the other hand if i was being paid a reasonable wage to investigate global warming i would probably be rather impartial in the interpretation of the results ... it seems that the Earth goes through a series of cycles in which there is radical warming of the planet .. however it does seem sensible to try and develop a power source such as the much mooted graphene and phosporusene ?? based batteries/capacitors and localise substantial power production [power plants ] to best economise them and much better to improve solar panelling so it can be localised as energy transportation via the grid is not very economic
either way i cant see many people giving up the use of their cars in favour of reducing polution
regards mike b
ps im in favour of global warming to the point here [London] where its about as warm as southern france but only in the winter ... though it would be nicer if it could be localised so that say skiing in the alps wouldnt be affected [ i dont think theres anything too selfish in that]

 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on May 18, 2019, 01:47:32 AM
the rising seas were supposed to flood many of the coastal cities

Did the IPCC write that Venice (for example) would be flooded by 2019? If yes, can you post a link, please?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on May 18, 2019, 02:52:16 AM
There is a badly kept secret about the sea level rising, it has been happening since the end of the last ice age and it has nothing to do with car exhausts, cows breaking wind or stone age industry, it has to do with the multi-kilometre thick ice sheets in northern Europe and America that started to melt and the ice cores and other evidence is that the sea levels have risen about 400 feet since that time.

Venice has a number of problems, it was not built on solid foundations and the whole area is slowly sinking. Any sea level rise will exaggerate the flooding it already has and there is no simple solution.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: AW on June 03, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
The Global Warming Conspiracy Theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on June 03, 2019, 10:15:52 PM
Climate CO2 Hoax is at it's end, even the IPCC is now aware they can't control the SUN.  :skrewy:

The IPCC published in january 2019 an updated ‘Summary for Policymakers’

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2018/07/SR15_SPM_version_stand_alone_LR.pdf

Human activities are estimated to have caused approximately 1.0°C of global warming above pre-industrial levels, with a likely range of 0.8°C to 1.2°C.
Global warming is likely to reach 1.5°C between 2030 and 2052 if it continues to increase at the current rate. (high confidence) (Figure SPM.1)

A.2. Warming from anthropogenic emissions from the pre-industrial period to the present will persist for centuries to millennia and will continue to cause further long-term changes in the climate system, such as sea level rise, with associated impacts (high confidence),
but these emissions alone are unlikely to cause global warming of 1.5°C (medium confidence).(Figure SPM.1) {1.2, 3.3, Figure 1.5}

A.2.1 Anthropogenic emissions (including greenhouse gases, aerosols and their precursors) up to the present are unlikely to cause further warming of more than 0.5°C over the next two to three decades (high confidence) or on a century time scale (medium confidence). {1.2.4, Figure 1.5}


Notice that we seem to be transitioning from “Global Warming through Climate Change”, now quite solidly towards “Species Extinction”.
The arguments for warming seem to be evaporating.  :badgrin:
It looks like the UN will perhaps be transitioning into an IPES, “an Intergovernmental Panel on the Extinction of the Species!”  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on June 04, 2019, 12:36:11 AM
The most recent sales pitch I have seen is the alarmist claim that we (the human race) only have a few more years left to save the planet before it becomes impossible. Now the formula for doing so is still passing all of your money into a global banking cartel before you go and sit naked in a freezing cold cave blowing a joint (that you lit by rubbing sticks together) while introspecting at your navel and contemplating suicide to save the planet.  :eusa_boohoo:

I wonder what it would take to see the end of the bullsh*t ? :eusa_hand: I know how much the planet needs saving, just look at some footage of the action end of an active volcano and you will see that the earth does not need us at all, its the other way around. Sh*t in your own nest and you are stuck with the consequences, there is some great stuff being done around the world to recover from the damage humans have done but it has little to do with carbon dioxide, it has to do with cleaning up the mess, stop dumping garbage in the sea, especially plastics and re-greening large areas of land as has been done in China to recover badly damaged land.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on July 28, 2019, 07:56:20 PM
Google not giving me results searching for climate science.

An Updated Review about Carbon Dioxide and Climate Change.
I was looking for this file on google search: climateFleming-MS2.pdf

The search results ( only 5 links ) that came back had nothing to do with climate.
Then I searched with my favourite search engine DuckDuckGo.  :thumbsup:
The second link was the pdf file I wanted to download.

You won't believe this, the download was blocked by the SmartScreen-filter as an unsafe file????

The way they go to keep the climate madness alive is getting funnier by the day.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on July 28, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: TimoVJL on July 28, 2019, 09:20:16 PM
google and bing search climate Fleming-MS2.pdf finds it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on July 28, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
google and bing search climate Fleming-MS2.pdf finds it.

Not on my google search,

(http://members.home.nl/siekmanski/ms2.png)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: TimoVJL on July 28, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
put that space after climate
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on July 28, 2019, 11:13:39 PM
I could have done that but, I was looking for that specific filename.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on July 29, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
Revolutionary!
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: HSE on July 29, 2019, 01:58:00 AM
Hi Siekmanski!

The article is the first link in Bing.

No problem with download: http://rexfleming.com/wp-content/uploads/Fleming-MS2.pdf
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: TimoVJL on July 29, 2019, 01:58:55 AM
and just some makes a business with it , like Fleming.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: AW on July 29, 2019, 02:24:53 AM
inurl:Fleming-MS2.pdf will show any url containing Fleming-MS2.pdf (only one in this case  :sad:)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on August 28, 2019, 05:02:24 AM
Global Warming Hoax Hit Hardest.

Hockey Stick Broken! “Scientist” Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs.
Dr. Mann defied the judge presiding over the case and refused to surrender his data for “open court examination”.
This is routine practice for scientific study to determine if the results will stand up against examination.
But Dr. Mann refused to turn over his data.  :biggrin:

Below Mann’s graph is Ball’s, which uses much more reliable and easily attainable public data, which accurately shows a significantly warmer Medieval Warm Period with temperatures that are drastically hotter than the modern day’s.

(https://rightedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/graph.png)

http://www.latestcommentary.com/hockey-stick-broken-scientist-michael-mann-loses-in-court-forced-to-pay-court-costs-global-warming-hoax-hit-hardest/

full story at:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/hockey-stick-broken-scientist-michael-mann-loses-in-court-forced-to-pay-court-costs-global-warming-hoax-hit-the-hardest/
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: K_F on August 28, 2019, 07:20:30 AM
Saw that yesterday...
Fark... the wheels of justice move to slowly for my liking.

Him and all his ilk should be thrown in the 'chink', not to mention the stupid, gullible 'believers' of this charade.
They must pay back all the carbon tax perpetrated.. empty all their bank accounts.... hit them where it hurts the most.
Fark them all.... fark them so bad they never 'get up again'.

Then I'll be happy ;)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on August 28, 2019, 08:19:28 AM
I am very pleased to see a result like this, we have been hit with climate scams for many years now from the polar bear that could not swim to the current fake hysteria about the world close to the point of no return if we don't swallow the bullsh*t hook line and sinker. Now what will happen as it has happened over and over again before is the media driven hysteria will start up again with more scaremongering bullsh*t based off even more dishonest climate models.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: AW on August 28, 2019, 05:22:02 PM
Usually the trick is to follow the money to find out what is behind.
It would be interesting to know who funds these guys from Competitive Enterprise Institute (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/06/20/anatomy-of-a-washington-dinner-who-funds-the-competitive-enterprise-institute/?noredirect=on).

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on August 28, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
I am curious to see the details, and the exact text of the ruling. So far I see only the far right jumping out of joy...

Btw the two graphs displayed reveal an evident logical error, which is obvious to everybody working in the field.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Michael-Mann-Faces-Bankruptcy-as-his-Courtroom-Climate-Capers-Collapse.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: AW on August 28, 2019, 05:58:23 PM
There is a funding breakdown here (https://www.desmogblog.com/competitive-enterprise-institute), where a lot is clear. Then, we should search who funds the institutes and foundations that fund the Competitive Enterprise Institute  to have the whole picture. As usual everything will become clear and sucking in the end, typical US - always the same receipt, to fight anyone or any organization that tries to go against the established interests.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
Post by: TimoVJL on August 28, 2019, 09:26:41 PM
Is there any real material to read about this case ?
Who can we believe ?
Now both Mann and Ball are not credible anymore ?

Science don't depend of those persons.

EDIT the title, as it was misleading.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: AW on August 28, 2019, 11:15:43 PM
I think this Quora page contains a lot of info on the subject. For me, is enough but I am not set to become an expert on the subject.  :biggrin:

https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Michael-Mann-who-invented-the-hockey-stick-model-refuse-to-release-his-cherry-picked-research-data-in-a-court-of-law
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Post by: Siekmanski on August 28, 2019, 11:21:36 PM
Is there any real material to read about this case ?
Who can we believe ?
Now both Mann and Ball are not credible anymore ?

Science don't depend of those persons.

https://www.bccourts.ca/search_judgments.aspx

The judgment is not posted yet.
Could take a month before it is.

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/

 :biggrin: I wonder who is paying for Mann’s legal fees?  :biggrin:
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Post by: jj2007 on August 28, 2019, 11:57:58 PM
The Quora answer is quite exhaustive, including the video - thanks AW :thumbsup:

https://www.bccourts.ca/search_judgments.aspx

Did you actually find something there? I am curious to see it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8e3OLaWkAAAc83.jpg)
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Post by: Siekmanski on August 29, 2019, 12:16:08 AM
Hi Jochen,

The judgment is not posted yet.
Could take a month before it is.
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Post by: jj2007 on August 29, 2019, 12:21:46 AM
In the meantime, reading the Quora answer (https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Michael-Mann-who-invented-the-hockey-stick-model-refuse-to-release-his-cherry-picked-research-data-in-a-court-of-law) is a good idea :tongue:

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Michael Mann:

“The BC Court never made any finding that I failed to produce any data. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or facilitating a lie.”

The data behind the famous “Hockey Stick” was not “cherry picked”. It is affirmed by The National Academy of Sciences.

The link attached here refers to a conspiracy denier blog and the creationist Tim Ball, who again, had to declare himself wacko to weasel himself out of a court trial. As he has done several times in the past.

Here is the simple truth;

“Ball requested that the lawsuit be terminated.”

Michael E. Mann explains:

“p.s. What does it say about Tim Ball's honesty (and that of the right-wingers trumpeting the latest court development) that they conveniently failed to note that Ball sought to dismiss the case based on (a) his alleged health problems and (b) the assertion that his defamatory remarks about me were largely ignored anyway”

Tim Ball was able to get the case dismissed based on:
1. Complaints about his age and poor health
2. Arguing his attacks on me were impotent anyway.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on August 29, 2019, 12:40:12 AM
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Mann’s statement is here: https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1164910044414189568

In short, Mann’s ugly responsive legal statement is (a) stark admission he lost fair and square, and (b) a disingenuous argument that the Dismissal was granted merely on the basis of Mann’s “delay” in not submitting his R2 numbers ( https://www.datatechnotes.com/2019/02/regression-model-accuracy-mae-mse-rmse.html ) in timely fashion.

Well, Mikey, you are the plaintiff and Tim gave you over 8 YEARS to get your case together!

On that point, this is where readers may wish to refer to the article ‘Fatal Courtroom Act Ruins Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann‘ (July 4, 2017).
https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

In it offered analysis as to Mann’s fatal legal error. As Dr Ball explained at that time:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions.
The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”

As explained in the article, Mann (and his crooked lawyer) had shown bad faith, thereby rendering his case liable for dismissal.

After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?
The Scientific Method demands transparency so others can replicate your findings.
A real “scientist” knows this.

Until you publish the raw 'hockey stick' data for other scientists, functionally you are a fraud, no matter what transpires in any Court.
And the fact that you withhold such info but are still a leading proponent of anthropogenic climate change greatly undermines your case.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on August 31, 2019, 06:15:25 AM
Another lawsuit won against the Climate Alarmists.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-16/jcu-scientist-peter-ridd-sacking-unlawful-federal-court-judgment/11021554

Sacked for speaking out about Climate Change - Professor Peter Ridd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7j75L38PlI
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Post by: jj2007 on August 31, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?

Because it's not necessary. The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick :tongue:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: Siekmanski on August 31, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?

Because it's not necessary. The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick :tongue:

So if that is a fact, why did Mann chose to lose his court case and pay the huge legal fees rather than show the data and algorithms used for his hockey stick graph?
In the eight years this ridiculous, multi-million dollar SLAPP suit has run, Mann has stooped to every trick to prevent open court examination of crucial equations that created his iconic ‘hockey stick’ graph.

Quote from Mann:

“I have made available all of the research data that I am required to under United States policy as set by the National Science Foundation….
 I maintain the right to decline to release any computer codes, which are my intellectual property…”  :tongue:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: hutch-- on August 31, 2019, 12:02:24 PM
 :biggrin:

> The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick

We already know how that is done, start with a defective climate model, feed it to the pseudo climate scientists, let a large number of them run the simulation according to that defective climate model and you get a large number of pseudo scientists producing the same result.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on August 31, 2019, 05:43:15 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-hockey-stick-the-most-controversial-chart-in-science-explained/275753/

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National Academy of Sciences are one of the most respectable scientific academies of the world. They hold a very strong position in the US, all the way back to when it was founded by Abraham Lincoln. As of 2016, the National Academy of Sciences includes about 2,350 members and 450 foreign associates. Approximately 200 members have won a Nobel Prize.

Note the "Approximately". But of course, you know better :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
Post by: TimoVJL on August 31, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
Maybe in canada had to pay legal expenses, if someone sue a retard, incapacitated or who don't have any clue what he/she talks ?
A freedom of speech.
Lawyers keeps process going on, as long someone is paying.

In this case releasing IP material was not necessary, as it was already researched and similar data was public.
The court stated the defendant incapacitated to respond ?
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Post by: hutch-- on August 31, 2019, 06:16:24 PM
If you waited until the second coming and the Messiah arrived in person, it still would not fix a broken climate model. With climate models you are not talking about FACT, you are talking about collective OPINION and so far it has been wrong. While "climate change" has a 4.5 billion year history, climate scientists have a lousy track record, polar bears that cannot swim, sea level that refuse to rise, a history of climatic swings over the last few thousand years that had nothing to do with cars or people or cows breaking wind.

Yet another crock of bullsh*t about the climate is changing the fastest it has ever changed, go back 11 thousand years to the period called the "Younger Dryas" and you have extremely rapid climate change. The real action is not in lining the pockets of the global elite, its in denying them the money that would be far better spent cleaning up the ocean, reducing pollution, prevent further deforestation, stop wasting resources etc etc etc ....

This is how much the Earth needs from us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlHE6DYL7Mo

We need it far more than it needs us.
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Post by: HSE on September 01, 2019, 12:27:39 AM
sea level that refuse to rise
:biggrin:  Global sea level is risen 3 cm every 10 years. Satelital system that take that measure reached their position in 1998. First evaluation in 2008 was taken with caution. Confirmation in 2018 was more public.
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Post by: caballero on September 01, 2019, 01:28:59 AM
> The real action is not in lining the pockets of the global elite

I think, in reality, this is what is being discussed here. Without this background substrate, I think we would all agree that humanity is a plague for the earth. You just have to see how our rivers are, how the populations have grown, with the increase in garbage that this causes, etc. When I was a child I have known rivers of transparent water, never again, its aquatic state is deplorable.

The problem is that the global elite uses this issue, like others, for their own benefit and their real actions are far from the solution. Like the Al Gore conferences to which he went in his private jet, with a massive contamination contradictory to his thesis.

There are certain taboo topics that nobody can talk about and that, however, influence pollution, such as mass immigration. When Europe had finally maintained its population or even decreased it, this phenomenon suddenly appears producing a substantial increase. I remember when documentaries were common about the thousands of daily tons of garbage that cities produced, today they are proscribed topics.

I return to the base. All this only derives in the benefit of a world elite, whose interest is not precisely in reversing the problem, but in increasing its current account. And what is more unfortunate, the legions of lobotomized subjects of these elites, expendable pawns.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 01, 2019, 02:37:36 AM
Its the rapid change that is nonsense, slow sea level rise has been happening since the last ice age, about 11 thousand years ago and as best as I know, there were few humans back then, no cars, planes or all of the things that are supposed to cause global warming.
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Post by: HSE on September 01, 2019, 03:25:12 AM
Hi Hutch!

Something that defy explanation is that sea level remained almost the same last 8000 years (until now).

What happened around 11000 years ago were the "dryas" (severe cold periods of 200-600 years of duration). Last Maximum Glacial was 27000 years ago. One beer follow another, I know  :biggrin:

Apparently "Ice Age" is used by geologist to name some really massive cold that happened with a period of 175 million years or so. They are true mass extinction events, not the movie  :thumbsup:.


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Post by: hutch-- on September 01, 2019, 04:01:06 AM
Hi Hector,

The graphs I have seen with the Younger Dryas shows a massive drop in temperature about 11000 years ago that lasted for about 1000 years then the temperature rose again. Sad to say I have run out of "Pure Blonde" but I will go up to the bottle shop in the next day or so and get some more.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: HSE on September 01, 2019, 05:01:31 AM
The Dryas are very severe and long in Greenland, but not in other places. There was no Dryas in South America.

Here temperatures (horizontal axis is years before present):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Epica-vostok-grip-40kyr.png)


For some curious reason, I only have pictures of empty bottles  :biggrin:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
Post by: jj2007 on September 01, 2019, 05:41:48 AM
It is true that the genetic outfit of mankind has been stable for more than 100,000 years.
It is true that the climate of the last 10,000 years was exceptionally stable.
It is true that civilisation started only about 6,000 years ago.
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Post by: HSE on September 01, 2019, 06:23:14 AM
It is true that civilisation started only about 6,000 years ago.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "civilisation", but constructions were well developed 11600 years ago in Göbleki tepe, and true urbanization developed 7700 years ago in Çatalhöyük.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 01, 2019, 06:37:52 AM
There is another wild card, the number of ancient ruins that have what is called polygonal masonry. While crapheap archeology attributes places like Baalbek as being Roman, it has foundations that are far bigger than anything the Roman ever built. The amount of truly massive masonry at ruins around the world suggest that there was life before the last ice age ended. With the sea levels having risen by about 400 feet over the last 11 thousand years or so, must is under water but enough remains to ask the question, how was it built and who built it.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 01, 2019, 07:14:12 AM
It is true that civilisation started only about 6,000 years ago.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "civilisation", but constructions were well developed 11600 years ago in Göbleki tepe, and true urbanization developed 7700 years ago in Çatalhöyük.

Thanks, Hector, for pointing me to this. Never heard of Göbleki tepe before, I thought the Sumerian culture was the oldest around. It doesn't change, though, the conclusion: Only an exceptionally long period of stable climate allowed the development of civilisation.

I like this one: "Noting the lack of hierarchy and economic inequality, historian Murray Bookchin has argued that Çatalhöyük was an early example of anarcho-communism."
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Post by: HSE on September 01, 2019, 08:06:04 AM
It doesn't change, though, the conclusion: Only an exceptionally long period of stable climate allowed the development of civilisation.
We don't know. Perhaps civilisation emerge even if climate was not so stable. Climate stability allow development of agriculture, and that is a good point. But Göbleki tepe was builded almost 4000 years before agriculture and domestication of animals.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 01, 2019, 12:56:47 PM
There is enough stuff below the current water line to question the claim of how old human civilisation actually is. While the Mediterranean appears to have classical period ruins below the water line, other places in the world appear to be far older. The last island off the western side of Japan is Yonagunishima and just off shore is the Yonaguni monument which is below the water line.

Google "yonaguni monument" and look at the images.

There is another that unfortunately lies between India and Pakistan and is off limits due to hostilities between the two countries, the ancient city of Dwarka and while there are closer ruins near the modern city, I have seen sonar of a much older city further out. For it to have been above the water line before a 400 feet rise, it hails from the era of Krishna (according to Indian Epic History) and has to be from before the end of the last ice age.

There is much much more of this stuff scattered around the world.
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Post by: HSE on September 02, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
While the Mediterranean appears to have classical period ruins below the water line

While sea level was similar for mileniums, earth surface never is. Because that you need satelital systems to measure sea levels.

Around the globe, but particularly in the Mediterranean you have 2 forces: plate movemement and volcanic activity.

1) African tectonic plate is moving bellow Eaurasian plate (not sure if also bellow Arabian plate). That caused some old egyptian portuary city sinken. Perhaps the city flourish around 2000 BC. And when Herodoto travel to Egypt (something like 500 BC) half of the city was in the water. And now is all sumerged.
Interestly, perhaps this convinced Herodoto to write old legends about the sumerged city of ¿Tyra?, and based on that and some fictions Platón invented Atlantis.

2) Volcanic activity is caractericed by increases and releases of presure in deep chambers. The usual thing is sumergence of terrain when presure is released. But apparently there is evidence close to Napoles, Italy, that some sumerged buildings have emerged again because increases of presure.

Robert Schoch, a geologist known because he say that the Sphynx is a lot older than egyptians (and enjoy other speculations), visited Yonaguni and concluded that is a natural formation.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 02, 2019, 08:32:21 AM
I have seen the video where he claimed that the Yunaguni monument was a natural formation but the experts in Japan see it differently and they have the real expertise here. A cursory look at the available images makes this claim a nonsense. The sea level rise over the last 11 to 12 thousand years is very well documented and from multiple methods and 400 feet rise hides a lot of stuff that was built near ancient coastlines.

I agree with you that the Mediterranean is geologically unstable and that various cities have sunk rather than the sea rose above them, ancient Alexandria being one of them and Ceasarea in modern Israel is in the process of sinking as well. There are many others but the Mediterranean model does not work in other areas around the world that are geologically different.
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Post by: HSE on September 02, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
The sea level rise over the last 11 to 12 thousand years is very well documented and from multiple methods and 400 feet rise hides a lot of stuff that was built near ancient coastlines
Yes, investigation under water is very complicated.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 15, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
climate scientists have a lousy track record, polar bears that cannot swim, sea level that refuse to rise...

... fish that cannot fly (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-12/menindee-fish-transfer-noahs-ark-relocation/11502430)

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A 'Noah's Ark' rescue to prevent fish 'Armageddon' gets underway in regional NSW
It is not the most romantic way of fishing. But in Menindee, things are a little different these days.

Key points:
A fish rescue operation is taking place over the next two weeks in Menindee
The fish will be relocated to the Lower Darling, which has a more secure habitat
There are warnings that with a forecast of record dry conditions, the state could be facing a fish "Armageddon"
This week, at the site that triggered an environmental crisis in regional NSW, three blokes in a dinghy with nets were trying to catch some fish.

But instead of eating the fish or throwing them back, they were moving the fish to another spot.

For the next two weeks, the NSW Government is attempting what it has described as a "Noah's Ark" fish rescue operation to avoid "fish Armageddon" — or, in other words, to avoid what the world saw in January from happening again.

At this spot — which is a murky and muddy green from a lack of inflows and at the lower stretches of the Darling River — workers have so far removed 200 fish over the past few days.

The fish are being transferred to vehicles fitted with oxygen and 2,000-litre temperature-controlled tanks to provide the fish with the best possible chance of survival.

The fish will be taken to a section of the Lower Darling which fishery experts say will offer a better quality habitat and long-term water security for the fish.

NSW Department of Primary Industries hatchery manager Matthew McLellan said it was the "best option" for the fish to survive.

"We certainly expect that there will be more fish kills across the summer," he said.

"And we will do our very best to get to areas where we can help those fish and try to rescue them where possible."

The two-week rescue program was announced on Monday in a bid to avoid the catastrophic fish kills that happened last summer.

Agriculture Minister Adam Marshall said predicted record high temperatures and low water levels would create a "perfect storm" of deadly conditions for fish, resulting in an ecological disaster.

"We are staring down the barrel of what will most likely be a fish Armageddon this summer," he said.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 16, 2019, 01:50:40 AM
You will find that the Murray / Darling is an Armageddon of mis-management, not global warming. Excessive water usage for agriculture has dropped the water flow that it is killing off the fish. The lack of water flow is also damaging the exit environment of the Murray river in south Australia. Its a disaster that needs to be fixed, not buck passed off as global warming.

Just remember that the fertile land in South Australia that was settled and farmed in the 19th century suffered a 70 year long drought that was long before cars, aircrafts and large industry. OZ has weather patterns of very long cycles and not all of them are known. It has been drying out for thousands of years.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 16, 2019, 05:36:45 AM
Species extinction was the expected next step in global warming alarmism.

The latest is, stop building roads and houses because of nitrogen pollution.
In the Netherlands, more than 450 building projects have been stopped because of nitrogen pollution.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 16, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
Marinus,

Until now I was deeply convinced that nitrogen pollution was coming from pig farming, not from building roads and houses. Can you explain?
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Post by: hutch-- on September 16, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
It is related to run off from fertilisers among other smaller sources, simple solution, stop eating as growing food causes nitrogen pollution. The real action is to clean up over use or nitrogen and phosphorus base fertilisers so it does not accelerate the formation of algae.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 16, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
In Marinus' case it's a bit more specific. The Dutch economy features a significant share of agriculture, in particular about 5,000 pig farms with a total population of more than 12 million pigs. They produce much more "fertiliser" than the soil can absorb. Some of that gets carried in trucks to neighbouring Germany, where they throw it on agricultural land. Entire landscapes consist only of maize - because that's the only plant that tolerates such a bunch of s**t. And of course, much of it goes into the ground water, in the Netherlands and in Germany.

The Northern region of the Netherlands is covered by the Friese Meren, little lakes connected by canals. Their water is often greenish due to the algae that flourish like hell in the contaminated water. As a boy, I swam in these lakes. Sometimes you couldn't see your hand when it was barely under the opaque water. Of course, the cost to process this water in order to get drinking water is costly, but who cares?
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 16, 2019, 11:37:45 PM
The underlying idea is that nitrogen is released during the construction of roads and houses, among other things. Licenses are no longer issued just like that by the judgment.

Due to the ruling of the Council of State it is no longer allowed to just build in the vicinity of Natura 2000 areas. These are protected nature areas that are extra sensitive to nitrogen emissions.
A renovation close to a Natura 2000 area can also lead to increased emissions in such an area more quickly.

Reducing livestock by 50% is also discussed.

Dutch webpage: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/aanpak-stikstof/uitspraak-raad-van-state-en-gevolgen-einde-pas
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 17, 2019, 02:39:36 PM
The Northern region of the Netherlands is covered by the Friese Meren, little lakes connected by canals. Their water is often greenish due to the algae that flourish like hell in the contaminated water. As a boy, I swam in these lakes. Sometimes you couldn't see your hand when it was barely under the opaque water. Of course, the cost to process this water in order to get drinking water is costly, but who cares?

The Netherlands has a large number of lakes (and ponds) in the marine clay landscape. The water quality in many of these marine clay lakes is moderate to poor.

Many marine clay lakes are turbid. The median light penetration is 30 cm. Although algal blooms can cause this turbidity, it is often due to suspended matter, in other words, suspended (clay) soil particles,
which form an important physical difference compared to other types of lake subsoil.
Because clay particles are very small, they remain in suspension for a very long time after being disturbed.
This limits the light penetration to such an extent that in many lakes there is probably little light that reaches the bottom, and thus also limits opportunities for the development of submerged aquatic plants.

The marine clay subsoil can be characterised as rich in nutrients, wellbuffered and having a high sulphur content.
Various marine clay lakes are still brackish and therefore have much higher ion concentrations compared to other water bottom types.
Moreover, many marine clay subsoils are relatively rich in phosphorus.
Mutual differences and differences with other types of soils seem mainly due to the proportion of calcium (carbonate) bound and iron bound phosphorus.
The high nutrient level of the water bottom does not always translate into the composition of the pore water and the surface water.

The basis for the preparation of our drinking water:

Groningen: In addition to groundwater, we also use surface water from the Drentsche Aa river.
Friesland: Drinking water is not prepared from lakes and canals. The drinking water is made from groundwater.

Groundwater is naturally very clean. This means that it only needs to be purified to a minimum.

Conclusion: Nothing to do with climate warming or agriculture. The Dutch stole the land from the sea, hence the marine clay landscape and the turbid lakes in Friesland and Groningen.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 17, 2019, 06:40:40 PM
Prof. Tim Ball provides a comprehensive overview of the eugenic origins of CO2 alarmism.
Learn and watch how they created the hockey stick graph and other climate scams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1VJtER2IUE

Wounded Michael Mann Lashes Out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L530b4nnQ8

Read the reactions of the people reacting to Mann's twitter account how he blocks their tweets.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 17, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
Conclusion: Nothing to do with climate warming or agriculture.

So why are trucks carrying Dutch pig manure hundreds of kilometres to Germany? 1.4 Million tonnes per year? (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/duenger-import-aus-den-niederlanden-diese-guelle-ist.1008.de.html?dram:article_id=367708)
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The Netherlands exports 1.4 million tons of slurry year after year - and a large part of it ends up in fields in North Rhine-Westphalia, partly illegally. Paul Kröfges of the Bund Naturschutz (BUND) demands that something urgently be done about this.

"The Dutch produce too much liquid manure because they keep too many animals on too little land," says Paul Kröfges, water expert at BUND in NRW on Deutschlandradio Kultur. Because the state has stricter legislation, there is only the way to the Federal Republic, to the borderland NRW.
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Post by: daydreamer on September 17, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Species extinction was the expected next step in global warming alarmism.

The latest is, stop building roads and houses because of nitrogen pollution.
In the Netherlands, more than 450 building projects have been stopped because of nitrogen pollution.
species extinction was people ate too much steak,the 50% in livestock will it be neccerary for all steak lovers to convert to become vegans and eat grass? :badgrin:,no but seriously the truth is more mankind expanding building lots of roads and new areas of houses all the time globally,so there is no more place to live and eat for wild animals

I hope the buildings projects get solved,otherwise your children and grandchildren will not have enough homes to buy/rent and you might endup having your child living at 30+ age because they have no homes to move out to and if it keeps going on its also going to be your grandchild 30+

and all that too much algea,why not farm seaweed and maybe other things,watch the old movie about nautilus and Captain Nemo,with Kirk Douglas and one episode Captain Nemo shows he survives on food based on underwater sea alone,the drink and food on the table looks like ordinary food,but is from the sea(compare hamburger fake meat on based on beans)

mankinds are constantly growing several billions,if we are unable to stop the climate warmup,maybe the future will have an extra continent(antarctica) to grow food on?


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Post by: Siekmanski on September 17, 2019, 08:32:17 PM
Conclusion: Nothing to do with climate warming or agriculture.

So why are trucks carrying Dutch pig manure hundreds of kilometres to Germany? 1.4 Million tonnes per year? (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/duenger-import-aus-den-niederlanden-diese-guelle-ist.1008.de.html?dram:article_id=367708)
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The Netherlands exports 1.4 million tons of slurry year after year - and a large part of it ends up in fields in North Rhine-Westphalia, partly illegally. Paul Kröfges of the Bund Naturschutz (BUND) demands that something urgently be done about this.

"The Dutch produce too much liquid manure because they keep too many animals on too little land," says Paul Kröfges, water expert at BUND in NRW on Deutschlandradio Kultur. Because the state has stricter legislation, there is only the way to the Federal Republic, to the borderland NRW.

My point was, that the turbid waters in northern Netherlands are not caused by the "fertiliser" you mentioned. BTW agriculture has no significant effect on the lakes and canals water quality in Friesland and Groningen.

Exporting manure to Germany? Maybe they need it, and we have it? -> "Und dort sei die Gülle oft sogar willkommen."  :biggrin:

Don't use too much on the land to prevent pollution of the groundwater.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 22, 2019, 01:55:55 AM
Here is the official judgment ( Mann v. Ball ) as published at the Supreme Court of British Columbia.
https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/19/15/2019BCSC1580.htm

Must read: https://www.steynonline.com/9742/michael-e-mann-loser
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Post by: jj2007 on September 22, 2019, 02:17:56 AM
Thanks, Marinus. I find it somewhat in contrast to the sensational headlines :tongue:

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on balance, justice requires the action be dismissed. The parties are both in their eighties and Dr. Ball is in poor health. He has had this action hanging over his head like the sword of Damocles for eight years and he will need to wait until January 2021 before the matter proceeds to trial. That is a ten year delay from the original alleged defamatory statement. Other witnesses are also elderly or in poor health. The memories of all parties and witnesses will have faded by the time the matter goes to trial.
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Post by: TimoVJL on September 22, 2019, 02:25:40 AM
Nothing about science, just a law case ?
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Post by: jj2007 on September 22, 2019, 02:56:51 AM
Basically the judge dismisses the case because Mr hockey stick (the insulted) did not put enough energy into this case. Which caused delays such that Mr Ball (the insulter) has now reached an age that makes prosecution useless :mrgreen:

P.S.: One of many graphs produced by those bloody communists ("National Snow and Ice Data Center (https://nsidc.org/)") to sustain their totally unjustified climate alarmism...
(http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/1999/09/Figure2a-2.png)
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 22, 2019, 05:08:04 AM
Hi Timo,
Michael Mann keeps the science rather to himself otherwise he would have won.

Hi Jochen,
I have to admit that you have humor.  :biggrin:

I have a few graphs for you too,
300 research papers which ALL contradict the CO2 global warming hypothesis - work your way through those.....

https://notrickszone.com/global-warming-disputed-300-graphs/
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Post by: hutch-- on September 22, 2019, 05:29:17 AM
The latest ploy by the climate hysterics bunch is the girl who sailed from Europe to the US before flying back to Europe highlighting that the world is on its last legs and if we all don't start funding the global banking scam, the world will come to an end. This has been done in conjunction with whipping up a frenzy among youth groups about the end of the world is nigh. It does look like an ever more desperate attempt by the global elite to kick off the global banking scam in light of the series of failures like the polar bear that could not swim, the predictions that have not come true, the ever twiddled climate models to keep up the headlines and of course the equestrian fertiliser of Mann's hockey stick curve.

The climate changes every day, sunrise is global warming, sunset is climate change and the change from summer to winter is the forerunner to the end of the world. In reality climate change has been with us for about 4.5 billion years so there is nothing new here.

There is yet another factor as to why this planet has weather variations, the orbit of the planet changes over time and the big daddy bad ass of them all is the sun which also varies with its energy output over time. It is fair to say that cows farting, SUV travel, aircrafts flying or volcanoes erupting are no competitor with the sun and the orbit of the planet.

I would rather see large sums of money spent on things that work, the Yellow River in China, the Black Forest in Germany, re-afforest efforts and the like as you can see the results, not pissing funding into a global banking scam.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 22, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
The Greta Thunberg circus is a sign of how infantilized political debate around climate change has become.

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the ever twiddled climate models to keep up the headlines and of course the equestrian fertiliser of Mann's hockey stick curve.

Tony made a video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU
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Post by: jj2007 on September 22, 2019, 06:57:38 AM
I have a few graphs for you too,
300 research papers which ALL contradict the CO2 global warming hypothesis - work your way through those.....

https://notrickszone.com/global-warming-disputed-300-graphs/

Sure: "For example, the periods around AD 1940 and from AD 1950–1955 were warmer. This is also shown in the reanalysis data for this region and was also observed by Neukom et al. (2010b) and Neukom and Gergis (2011) for Patagonia and central Chile."
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Post by: hutch-- on September 22, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
There was yet another failed prediction here in OZ about global warming effecting the rainfall pattern of Australia. Sad to say for the prediction there was major flooding in northern NSW shortly after which made a fool of the prediction and Tim "whats his name" who made it.

This planet has a long history of extinction events,

Ordovician–Silurian Extinction - Around 439 million years ago
Late Devonian Extinction - around 364 million years ago
Permian–Triassic extinction - occurred 251 million years ago
Triassic–Jurassic extinction - between 199 million and 214 million years ago
Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction - 65 million years ago

Source is -> https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-timeline-of-the-mass-extinction-events-on-earth.html

Now interestingly enough this article ends with blaming human activity for climate change yet it does not mention the "Younger Dryas" event where the planet experienced massive climatic change in a very short period then after a relatively short period (about 1000 years) warmed up again.

We have been fed bovine excrement about how the current global warming is happening so much faster than in the past due to human activity but the "Younger Dryas" simply make a fool of this propaganda.



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Post by: jj2007 on September 25, 2019, 07:08:36 AM
Global warming is real, according to those communists at NASA :sad:

Arctic sea ice reaches second lowest minimum in satellite record (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2019-arctic-sea-ice-extent-fourth-lowest-on-record)
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The 13 lowest extents in the satellite era have all occurred in the last 13 years.


(https://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-1472487-860_poster_16x9-hrny-1472487.jpg)
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 25, 2019, 08:46:51 AM
The Nasa graph shows the data from 1979 ( first satellite data gathering started in 1974  :rolleyes: ) until now.
Showing only 2 quadrants of the full cycle.  :sad:
When we go one full cycle back in history you will find data that's very similar to what we have today.

Figures don’t lie, but liars sure can figure.

(https://i1.wp.com/notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Arctic-sea-ice-since-1900.png)


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“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

- President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address on January 17, 1961 -

NOAA : Hiding Critical Arctic Sea Ice Data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEGo8E9s_8
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Post by: jj2007 on September 25, 2019, 09:34:07 AM
(https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/files/2017/08/walsh-gmst-sep.png)
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 25, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
Walsh et al ice extent:

Prior to the satellite era, geopolitical considerations were also a problem for the compilers of datasets.
In particular, during the Cold War, data sharing between the Soviet Union and western Arctic nations was almost non-existent.

As a result, for the pre-satellite era, the American-based Walsh group had very few observations for the Russian Arctic,
and in their dataset most of the estimates for these regions were based on (often crude) extrapolations and inferences.
For this reason, while their dataset nominally describes the entire Arctic Ocean and seas before the satellite era (and especially pre-1953),
it is probably better considered as an estimate for the North American and Nordic Arctic.  :nie:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/myownPapers-d/ConnollyConnollySoon17-June2-RecalibrationofArcticseaiceextentdatasetsusingArcticsurfaceairtemperaturerecords.pdf

Keep an eye on father and son Connolly.  :winking:
They will come with some astonishing climate science......
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Post by: HSE on September 25, 2019, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Connolly et al.
This late-1970s reversal in sea ice trends was not captured by the hindcasts of tthe recent CMIP5 climate models used for the latest IPCC reports, which suggests that current climate models are still quite poor at modelling past sea ice trends.

"Poor at modelling past" is exactly same that "Poor at modelling future". Nice  :thumbsup:
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Post by: hutch-- on September 25, 2019, 08:50:59 PM
As far as I can tell, the following effects have nothing to do with cows farting, SUV vehicles, yuppies flying around the world in Boeing 737s or even the normal carbon dioxide causing events like wild fires and volcanoes. With data like this that at a scientific level is well known, it does appear that we are still being fed equestrian fertiliser.
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Earth's orbit around the sun is due to the gravitational attraction between the earth and the sun.  It follows an elliptical path, similar to an oval, but if viewed from space would look almost circular because the distances between the nearest and most distant points from the sun are not very different.   Currently the earth is closest to the sun in the Northern Hemisphere winter.  However, the earth's tilt of its rotational axis causes bigger changes in incoming sunlight than the distance from the sun and so it has a bigger effect on the seasons than the distance from the sun itself does.
https://climate.ncsu.edu/edu/Milankovitch

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Post by: caballero on September 26, 2019, 12:45:56 AM
In life we all sell something, nobody builds or cultivates everything they need, and Greta Thunberg seems to be an exponent of it (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/greta-thunberg-and-the-plot-to-forge-a-climate-warrior-9blhz9mjv). It seems surprising that a little girl has achieved such notoriety only byself.

There are powerful people who take control of a matter that nobody can disagree with, such as caring for our planet, and they reversing it for their own benefit. This is not the only case.

What can be? Behind what is raised regarding the shift towards the use of "green" energies is a huge amount of public and private money behind.

Is the combustion car so polluting with respect to the electric one, for example? A current car of this type has greatly improved its efficiency and consumption. But where does the electricity come from to power now, massively millions of cars around the world on a daily basis? Nuclear energy? Hydrodynamic? Coal? Petroleum? Is this so green? The reasonable thing would be to stop consuming, avoid buying a mobile phone, using electric power, etc., which would lead to the individual's imprisonment and, therefore, that no one in the world know Miss Greta, would it?

On the other hand, is having a huge battery generating an electromagnetic field under the body really harmless?

I would say that the most authentic environmentalists that I have news of would be the amish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish), even  surrounded by a high standard of living, they decide to lead a humble life. There is nothing more environmentalist than that.
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Post by: AW on September 26, 2019, 02:24:27 AM
Sure it can be a hoax, but I will stick with NASA and 99% of scientists on this.
https://climate.nasa.gov/

Climate change deniers always fit into an already established category, nothing new lately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

All the news we receive tend to confirm that things are getting worse.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/mont-blanc-glacier-in-danger-of-collapse-experts-warn

Typical denial posture:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zvx74fnswwqqyzm/climatechange.jpg?dl=1)




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Post by: Caché GB on September 26, 2019, 03:24:04 AM
NASA can’t make it’s mind. In this document they think the Earth is flat and non-rotating. 

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf

Page 12 point (2)


In this document they think the Earth is a “rotating spherical Earth”

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940020279.pdf

Chapter 1 line 14


And in this one they are back to flying over a flat non rotating earth

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pdf

Part 2 line 4

Does NASA fit into an “already established category”?
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Post by: daydreamer on September 26, 2019, 04:13:46 AM
I really like Greta Thunberg,best to do this commitment than other things to use the net for
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Post by: AW on September 26, 2019, 05:44:15 AM
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NASA can’t make it’s mind. In this document they think the Earth is flat and non-rotating.
WTF, why don't you search how mathematical models are produced instead of trying to prove that NASA scientist are dumb? They are not dumb at all, they are among the smartest people on Earth as far as Physics is concerned.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 26, 2019, 05:58:12 AM
If you accept the initial foundation concept, then climate science has failed.
If you ignore the data, answers will remain elusive.

Be suspicious when told not to question.
Observe the totality of the scenario.

Nasa was founded by: Dwight D. Eisenhower, who saw what was going on inside Nasa, warned us at his farewell address:
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“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should,
we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
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Post by: jj2007 on September 26, 2019, 06:10:02 AM
NASA can’t make it’s mind. In this document they think the Earth is flat and non-rotating.
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Post by: HSE on September 26, 2019, 06:28:59 AM
Thanks JJ  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Caché GB on September 26, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
Thank you so much for your kind suggestion to go and research how mathematical models
are produced. If I am to understand correctly, at its fundamental level its is:

measurable data -> input stream -> BLACK BOX -> output stream -> result

Accuracy of result is proportional to accuracy of measurable data AND accuracy
of modeling BLACK BOX

The Idealizing Assumptions Are:-

(1) point mass   =  TRUE

(3) const g  =  TRUE   0m -> 100000m how many decimals in g for delta
(4) const trust and m loss rate  = TRUE 
(5) no aerodynamic lift vector   = TRUE, const air viscosity = TRUE (?? decimals for delta)
    const drag = TRUE (see const viscosity)

(2) WTF


Semantics
   
   Idealizing  ==  regard or represent as PERFECT or better than in reality
   Assumption  ==  accepted as TRUE or as certain to happen, without proof.


More semantics

  "glacier-in-danger-of-collapse-EXPERTS-warn"

  ex -> ex boss, ex cop, ex wife, ex member, .exit -> all has been
  spurt -> drip under pressure

  Therefore an expert is a has been drip under pressure.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 26, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
My comment on NASA goes something like, if the Russians and Chinese agreed that the end of the world was nigh, then I may agree that NASA has something to say but as neither support the global banking scam, I suggest that NASA have had political pressure applied to them to jump on the bandwagon of climate hysteria.

There are a lot of good brains in NASA but the smartest are still the prisoner of politics and funding.
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Post by: Caché GB on September 26, 2019, 12:24:08 PM
My all Time favourite. I've watched these video lectures many times.

All the men that designed and built the space shuttle. Monumental.

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronautics-and-astronautics/16-885j-aircraft-systems-engineering-fall-2005/video-lectures/
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Post by: AW on September 26, 2019, 01:11:57 PM
The countries in red are not doing anything wrong to the environment and the planet, the other countries are the ones behind the global bank scam and causing all the climate hysteria.  :sad: .
Australia is the world’s largest exporter of coal, providing 29% of coal’s global trade, and last year also became the world’s largest exporter of liquefied natural gas. Its exported fossil fuel emissions currently represent around 3.6% of global emissions. Nothing wrong to the environment.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/5nwawlhsoooifno/climatepolicy2.jpg?dl=1)

https://www.climate-change-performance-index.org/sites/default/files/documents/the_climate_change_performance_index_2018.pdf
It is strange that the red countries also signed the Paris agreement.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 01:14:49 AM
This is the above map for 2019, the previous one was for 2018. There are a few changes for better, most notably China which entered the Medium class. But France and Italy lost green category.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qgig28doveg3vs/climatepolicy3.jpg?dl=1)

Of course, if everything is a hoax we have a problem:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jseulcht7xmico9/n85re.So.79.jpg?dl=1)
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Post by: K_F on September 27, 2019, 01:25:49 AM
Have you seen that 'gut wrenching, emotionally disturbing' speech by that poor immature child been 'porned' on the world stage by her parents, and the 'idiot club'.

So funny how DT upstaged their lies by appearing, then walking out without commenting. :eusa_clap:

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Post by: nidud on September 27, 2019, 03:59:57 AM
The Greta Thunberg Helpline:

https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1177177264779194368
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 04:32:33 AM
Infantile global totalitarianism in its purest form.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 27, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
I just hope that the poor kid has some fun and feels important before rocketing back to obscurity. A kid of that age has simply been fed bullsh*t and exploited by far larger players to mislead a wide range of kids in the western world who are at the mercy of government policy.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 08:30:23 AM
Hope she still can manage her life in a way that is good for her.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 27, 2019, 09:10:45 AM
I just hope that the poor kid has some fun and feels important before rocketing back to obscurity. A kid of that age has simply been fed bullsh*t and exploited by far larger players to mislead a wide range of kids in the western world who are at the mercy of government policy.

The kid Greta started her initially very lonely action without any help. She has not been "fed" anything, she simply read the news, and decided to speak up. But it's hopeless to argue with you, since you seem to have been exploited by far larger players like Exxon & friends :tongue:
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Post by: hutch-- on September 27, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
 :biggrin:

> Exxon & friends

Damn, that I could be so lucky. Its a good point though, the contrast between "Exxon & friends" and the global banking elite, one wants to sh*t all over the planet to make money and the other wants to cripple the whole world's economy so they can make money. Would you settle for either ?

As far as the youngster, someone somewhere with BIG money is using her as an outraged voice to flog the urgency of avoiding the end of the world when the real story is preserving the eco system of the planet so that WE can keep living on it. Carbon credits fed through the global banking system will not fix the ecological disasters that have occurred around the world, spending the money instead on pollution reduction, reclaiming deserts, restoring ruined forests and of great importance, stop dumping crap in the sea and start cleaning up the mess.

Doing something about it matters where shovelling money through the global banking system doesn't.

The Earth does not need friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo3qvceeqa8

We need it.
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Post by: Caché GB on September 27, 2019, 03:28:00 PM
Any time children are pimped off evil is making you it’s prostitute.

The energy problems of the world could be solved overnight with nuclear power stations.
You may say these are not safe. Well yes no and yes. There are two main types:

Pebble-bed reactors(PBR) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor

and

Breeder reactor  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor

PBRs are safe for the non proliferation of WMD. In case of accident they are very
dangerous because the pile can not be easily deconstructed and this leads to
thermal runaway. This can be mitigated by building them very deep underground.
In case of disaster the problem is already buried. Another down side is that they produce
a lot of nuclear wast due to their operating procedures. 

Breeder reactor are very safe to operate as the Rods can easily be hydraulically lifted
from the core thus preventing thermal runaway The downside is that they breed plutonium
This production is scalable. High energy, low plutonium production rate, Low energy, high
production rate.

So can every country be given Breeder reactors and hope they do not make anti invasion
technology (buy dividend stocks in antidepressants). Exxon & friends could diversify and
quickly move to monopolize.

Everybody now is happy.
 
No more burring of hydrocarbons = environmentalist + climate activists having a bliss
Exxon & friends monopolizing = also having a bliss
MIC selling anti anti-invasion weapons = having an ultra bliss
No more war = blissful populations
Big pharma selling tons of antidepressants = over the moon with bliss

You and me getting blissfully rich (remember those dividend stocks).
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
Climate change deniers product is Doubt (https://www.terrapass.com/doubt-is-our-product).  :skrewy:

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Post by: hutch-- on September 27, 2019, 05:52:36 PM
Shame he does not produce evidence, has the same problem as M. Mann.
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Post by: TimoVJL on September 27, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
What evidences are missing ?

The science is not a just one man job.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
Climate change deniers product is Doubt (https://www.terrapass.com/doubt-is-our-product).  :skrewy:

"Climate change deniers" and "Scientific Consensus" are products of policy makers.
What does it actually mean?
Nobody can deny climate change, because it always changes.  :skrewy:
Science is about Facts and has nothing to do with consensus.

Hollow phrases, like "Temperature Deniers"

"At night it is colder than outside." -> Maybe this is what is meant by "Scientific Consensus"?   :biggrin: :biggrin:

Shame he does not produce evidence, has the same problem as M. Mann.

Hutch, the UN told you not to question.... the science is settled.  :biggrin: ( Science is rarely, if ever, "settled")
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Post by: caballero on September 27, 2019, 07:15:22 PM
The Greta Thunberg Helpline:

https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1177177264779194368
That's funny. We are going to steal you lots of money, but if you want to cry we also serve you a help phone line.

I agree that humanity makes the planet dirty, but I do not agree with what is behind Greta, whose goal is not precisely to clean it.
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 07:19:55 PM
Shame he does not produce evidence, has the same problem as M. Mann.
No problem with Mann.
Mann won the case, Tim Ball lost the case and those that where financing Ball apologized (now removed the page from the website but still on way back machine  :thumbsup:)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190614213555/https://fcpp.org/retraction-and-apology-to-michael-mann/

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Nobody can deny climate change, because it always changes.  :skrewy:
I know, but we can't blame the sun for everything.  :skrewy:
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 07:21:02 PM
A non biased view on Greta?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5yagUglfN4
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 07:26:45 PM
Always the same story, if you can't kill the message, kill the messenger's credibility.

It's attacks on her age, disability, not in school, etc. But it's too late now, she is a winner, things can't be stopped that way. Wake up.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 27, 2019, 07:44:16 PM
And the only casualty is the truth.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 07:58:10 PM
Shame he does not produce evidence, has the same problem as M. Mann.
No problem with Mann.
Mann won the case, Tim Ball lost the case and those that where financing Ball apologized (now removed the page from the website but still on way back machine  :thumbsup:)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190614213555/https://fcpp.org/retraction-and-apology-to-michael-mann/

Is that so? Was it the same case? Have you had a look at the date? -> june 7 2019

Supreme Court of British Columbia tells us an other story. ( august 22 2019 )
https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/19/15/2019BCSC1580.htm
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
Nobody can deny climate change, because it always changes.  :skrewy:
I know, but we can't blame the sun for everything.  :skrewy:

This should answer 99% of your questions...
This is a literature review of 700+ peer-reviewed papers. 95% from AGU, Elsevier, or TandF
The IPCC has already allowed solar particle forcing for CMIP6 because of the 700+ papers in the last decade.

This is in the video but most miss it somehow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
Shame he does not produce evidence, has the same problem as M. Mann.
No problem with Mann.
Mann won the case, Tim Ball lost the case and those that where financing Ball apologized (now removed the page from the website but still on way back machine  :thumbsup:)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190614213555/https://fcpp.org/retraction-and-apology-to-michael-mann/

Is that so? Was it the same case? Have you had a look at the date? -> june 7 2019

Supreme Court of British Columbia tells us an other story. ( august 22 2019 )
https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/19/15/2019BCSC1580.htm

Right, Frontier Center retracted and apologized fearing consequences in June but the case continued for a while, but is now dismissed.
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Post by: nidud on September 27, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
The Nasa graph shows the data from 1979 ( first satellite data gathering started in 1974  :rolleyes: ) until now.
Showing only 2 quadrants of the full cycle.  :sad:
When we go one full cycle back in history you will find data that's very similar to what we have today.

As for the Arctic sea ice extent you do know that people actually live up there right? If you look at the map to the left of median you see a Norwegian island called Svalbard. People live there. They literally see the extent of the ice from their window.

https://www.nrk.no/norge/xl/se-hvordan-isbreene-pa-svalbard-har-krympet-de-siste-hundre-arene-1.14698584

They also depend on this knowledge for navigation where they penetrate deep into the Russian rivers during the summer to collect timber and other things which is a race against time before it freeze. So do also the oil companies given the only reason why they cant move further north (which they now do) is, well, the extent of the sea ice, so it's not like there's any lack of evidence for whats actually goes on up there.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 27, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
The Nasa graph shows the data from 1979 ( first satellite data gathering started in 1974  :rolleyes: ) until now.
Showing only 2 quadrants of the full cycle.  :sad:
When we go one full cycle back in history you will find data that's very similar to what we have today.

As for the Arctic sea ice extent you do know that people actually live up there right? If you look at the map to the left of median you see a Norwegian island called Svalbard. People live there. They literally see the extent of the ice from their window.

https://www.nrk.no/norge/xl/se-hvordan-isbreene-pa-svalbard-har-krympet-de-siste-hundre-arene-1.14698584

They also depend on this knowledge for navigation where they penetrate deep into the Russian rivers during the summer to collect timber and other things which is a race against time before it freeze. So do also the oil companies given the only reason why they cant move further north (which they now do) is, well, the extent of the sea ice, so it's not like there's any lack of evidence for whats actually goes on up there.

As they probably would have in 1930-1940.

(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1873965211000053-gr6.jpg)

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Some glaciers in Svalbard behave very differently from other glaciers in the world.
They expand violently for a few years, retreating quickly - and then standing still for fifty to a hundred years - before exiting again.
But despite this natural phenomenon, shrinking glaciers are a clear sign of climate change.

Just curious, do you know what's the cause of this behaviour?
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Post by: AW on September 27, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
 :biggrin:

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This is a literature review of 700+ peer-reviewed papers

I don't know which papers are those, from 54195 peer reviewed articles from 1991 to 2015 there is a 99.94% consensus that Anthropogenic Global Warming Matters.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

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"Climate change deniers" and "Scientific Consensus" are products of policy makers.
What does it actually mean?

Please translate Denier as consciente or unconscient Marshall Institute/CO2 Coalition follower/militant/fan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Marshall_Institute#

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This is in the video but most miss it somehow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA

There are 3 forcings:
CO2+volcanoes+Sun
The video is pro-Denier, stresses Sun influence, other factors are despisable. Same old story, trying new clothes.
Am I missing something else in the video?

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Post by: Siekmanski on September 28, 2019, 12:16:20 AM
Am I missing something else in the video?

 :biggrin:

Besides buying some winter clothes and a snow scooter? I don't know, you tell me.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 28, 2019, 12:18:01 AM
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

Nice - but it won't convince those who believe in conspiracy theories  :badgrin:
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the consensus among publishing scientists is demonstrably not 97%. Instead, five surveys of the peer-reviewed literature from 1991 to 2015 combine to 54,195 articles with an average consensus of 99.94%
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Post by: nidud on September 28, 2019, 12:31:32 AM
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Some glaciers in Svalbard behave very differently from other glaciers in the world.
They expand violently for a few years, retreating quickly - and then standing still for fifty to a hundred years - before exiting again.
But despite this natural phenomenon, shrinking glaciers are a clear sign of climate change.
Just curious, do you know what's the cause of this behaviour?

It has to do with geography. Some glaciers are unable to move so they have to accumulate more mass in order to do so, but when they do they move faster than a normal glacier. They are called pulsating glaciers and works more or less as an io-stream.

There is a higher density of these types of glaciers in Svalbard compared to the rest of the world but you also find them in Greenland and other places. Most of the pictures you see from the link is not pulsating but falls under the same category as other places where glaciers are retreating.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 28, 2019, 02:03:24 AM
Thanks Nidud.

Nice - but it won't convince those who believe in conspiracy theories  :badgrin:
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the consensus among publishing scientists is demonstrably not 97%. Instead, five surveys of the peer-reviewed literature from 1991 to 2015 combine to 54,195 articles with an average consensus of 99.94%

And still, none of them can produce a working climate model and prove anthropogenic emissions (including greenhouse gases, aerosols and their precursors) are causing the warming of the earth.

The truth is not there yet, if you are a believer or not.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 28, 2019, 02:30:06 AM
Assuming that each scientists has contributed 5 articles, the 54,195 peer-reviewed articles have been written by about 10,000 scientists, each of them with a Ph.D. in a climate-relevant discipline (you rarely can publish an article without a Ph.D.). But Siekmanski knows, with certainty, that "none of them can produce a working climate model". Congrats :thumbsup:
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Post by: hutch-- on September 28, 2019, 03:20:16 AM
I tend to be an evidence FIRST person, if you start with the evidence you have some chance of making a statement that has some truth to it but when you get up into the infrastructure with a collection of disconnects and speculation, you end up with a balloon of bullsh*t built on earlier balloons of bullsh*t.

Then for a viewpoint to have some validity, it needs to be consistent over time instead of a sequence of failed predictions, errors and straight out lies. The construction of climate models is a task fraught with problems as it shifts from evidence to speculation. Predicting the future has a really bad track record from ancient times onwards and the construction of climate models does little more than give a pseudo scientific label for unverified speculation.

Enough failed predictions demonstrate a failed basic theory, that of human produced carbon dioxide altering the global climate. With wild fires, volcanoes and other activities, nature in itself can produce enough to dwarf human activity. There is an intentional level of confusion between climatic variation, human caused degradation of large areas of land and damage to the eco system in the sea. Subscribing to some nebulous notion that a carbon trading scheme will magically fix the perceived problems with the climate is a nonsense, fix the damage and you have fixed the problem.

Whether you could skate on the Thames during one of the cold periods or bask in the warmth of the Roman era, climate variations have continued for longer than humans have been on the planet.
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Post by: FORTRANS on September 28, 2019, 04:21:44 AM
Hi,

   Depending on what "a working climate model" is
defined to be, it should be noted that global weather
models were modified to predict Martian weather for
the Viking missions.

Cheers,

Steve N.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 28, 2019, 04:57:51 AM
Assuming that each scientists has contributed 5 articles, the 54,195 peer-reviewed articles have been written by about 10,000 scientists, each of them with a Ph.D. in a climate-relevant discipline (you rarely can publish an article without a Ph.D.). But Siekmanski knows, with certainty, that "none of them can produce a working climate model". Congrats :thumbsup:

Thanks Jochen.  :thumbsup:

Can you point me to a correct working climate model?  :cool:
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Post by: AW on September 28, 2019, 05:46:01 AM
 :biggrin:

We will never have a model to provide a simple answer like the Pythagorean Equation or other  math formula, but there are many good models.
https://skepticalscience.com/how-well-have-models-predicted-gw.html

All climate models provide a direction rather than a precise result.
The same in most fields, like economics, social sciences, health, wherever there are too many variables into play which can only be monitored in statistical form.
For example:
"If you smoke too much you are very likely to have lung cancer within 10 to 30 years."
Sure, some people still believe that tobacco has nothing to do with lung cancer.

For climate models, it is proved that CO2 is a forcing effect, greenhouse effect causes increased quantities of CO2.  The anthropogenic component of the greenhouse effect is caused by man's activities. This is a direction, but something may happen that will nullify the expectancies. But is better to act now than wait 30 years to see if there were indeed some problem. Deniers, say YES, let's wait, probably I will not be here anymore, let's continue our fossil energy fun!

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Post by: jj2007 on September 28, 2019, 08:39:13 AM
Can you point me to a correct working climate model?  :cool:

I can point you to several correctly working climate models:
https://skepticalscience.com/how-well-have-models-predicted-gw.html


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Deniers, say YES, let's wait, probably I will not be here anymore, let's continue our fossil energy fun!

If I had no kids, I might adopt that attitude.
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Post by: HSE on September 28, 2019, 09:33:43 AM
Some points:

1 - Never use the word "consensus" in Science context. Just don't have any meaning.

2 - No matter if you have 1, 100 or a million of scientists working,  it's not possible to isolate antropogenic effect studing only one planet.

3 - Because previous limitations, methodological and diversity of opinions, political action must be conservative. No surprise, last IPCC report say something like that.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 28, 2019, 09:54:27 AM
 :biggrin:

Facts should never be taken into account when you are speculating about the future. A few years ago we had a New Years Day of 45c and the prophets of doom waxed lyrical about how the planet was warming but they forgot to tell us that the temperature only matched the record set in 1939. We tend to get a few very hot days over 40c in late January to February and each year the morons trot out the same old propaganda about how global warming is increasing.

A year or so ago large parts of Tasmania were subject to a drought and there was an elevated fire risk under those conditions. Out trotted the prophets of doom blaming global warming for the drought. Then it piss*d rain for a few weeks and we heard no more about it.

Failed predictions indicate a failed theory and there have been many failed predictions come out of the global warming propaganda. The alternative is to produce the analysis of why the climate changes in some areas. In the south west of Western Australia are the remnants of old growth forests that over the last couple of centuries have been progressively cleared for farm land.

In changing the characteristics of the landscape, it effected a progressive temperature rise that in some locations has become so severe that the temperatures (> 50c) are killing some of the remaining old growth forest. No carbon dioxide here, just human over exploitation of the land and trashing an old growth forest. Similar effect is occurring in the Amazon with logging and land clearing for farm land.

A very unusual one stayed in my head, during the Ming dynasty the Chinese army sieged a city that was called something like "The Black Castle". It was well fortified and defended so eventually the Chinese army altered the course of the river that was its water supply and the city eventually fell due to lack of water. The long term effect was complete desertification of an area that had been productive in the past and supported a large population.

Facts do not matter, big money and enthusiastic media support will keep raising newer versions of climate hysteria but the resistance is growing and the big players, China, US, India and others have not been fooled.
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Post by: AW on September 29, 2019, 02:06:53 AM
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Let me see, from Australia all you need to update your opinion is:
Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming
https://www.amazon.com.au/s?k=merchants+of+doubt&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

There is also the movie, it's available through Amazon Prime. Equally amazing.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 29, 2019, 07:38:45 AM
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> by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway

Another pair of pseudo scientists advancing a rival theory ?
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Post by: AW on September 29, 2019, 04:32:20 PM
Another pair of pseudo scientists advancing a rival theory ?

 :biggrin:

On one side are the scientists and their supporters on the other are dozens of Koch brothers (one died last month :sad:) and Rebekah Mercers financing climate denial and blocking decarbonization efforts supported by politicians doing things like this:
https://www.buzz.ie/news/outrage-following-fake-photo-greta-thunberg-338758

Another detail from Bolsonaro's son statement:
Greta is financed by George Soros.
The reasoning is that she has been seen talking with Luisa-Marie Neubauer member of the ONE Movement.
The ONE Movement is financed by a number of watermelon (green outside but red inside) capitalists, not only George Soros but also Bill & Melinda Gates.
Time to move to another Operating System?
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Post by: jj2007 on September 29, 2019, 05:45:13 PM
watermelon (green outside but red inside) capitalists, not only George Soros but also Bill & Melinda Gates.
Time to move to another Operating System?

Yep, the historical moment when Steve Hutchesson realised that Linux was a better choice  :bgrin:
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 29, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
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Greta is financed by George Soros.
The reasoning is that she has been seen talking with Luisa-Marie Neubauer member of the ONE Movement.
The ONE Movement is financed by a number of watermelon (green outside but red inside) capitalists, not only George Soros but also Bill & Melinda Gates.
Time to move to another Operating System?

Here are some of the top reasons why Greta Thunberg is a pawn and a fraud, manufactured by PR firms and used by an army of globalist climate change alarmists that seek to gain more financial and political control.
They are creating an apocalyptic cult obsesses with the end of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg
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Post by: AW on September 29, 2019, 07:15:29 PM
Reasons given by Red Ice TV founded by Lana Lokteff and her husband Henrik Palmgren (the guy on the video).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Lokteff
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Post by: jj2007 on September 29, 2019, 08:30:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg

The comments speak for themselves. So much hatred, so much ignorance. And Exxon, BP and the Saudis are laughing at you...
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 01:12:27 AM
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You know the answer, don't clean up the mess, don't spend the resources planting trees, don't waste the time and money reversing desertification, don't reduce air pollution, keep dumping sh*t into the sea but DO support the global banking scam of carbon trading, DO support the global elite raking billions out of the patsies and to keep THEIR planet clean, go and live in a cave, blowing a joint (that you lit by rubbing stick together), introspecting at your navel while contemplating suicide to save the planet.
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Post by: AW on September 30, 2019, 02:27:53 AM
Bill Gates's TerraPower project had a major setback with the Trump administration hysteria against China but is not dead, they are redoing things in the US.
https://www.geekwire.com/2019/inside-terrapower-nuclear-lab/
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Post by: caballero on September 30, 2019, 04:48:31 AM
A girl talking about climate change in crowded rooms of millionaire people who live in luxury homes of several hundred m2 that heat in winter and cool in summer, traveling in private jets or armored limousines. They come to see such a rarity as who goes to a novel opera, because it is the most chic of the moment. Don't think that any of them will change their lives for more humble ones with lower energy costs. Behind it, a worldwide billionaire business. Lobotomized or involved pawns preach to others, poor devils, from their watchtower of their moral superiority.
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Post by: nidud on September 30, 2019, 07:11:58 AM
As they probably would have in 1930-1940.

Didn't see that one, but yes these pulsating streams may flush and build up independent of temperature which makes it more difficult to connect the outflow to climate change. However, the ground is melting so settlements are sliding off the cliff and graveyards are turning to slush so the temperature is rising as never seen before.

The worrying trend is the increase in sea temperature and it's difficult to see how this could be stopped or reduced by just cutting emission. If this is a global trend the balance is probably already broken.

As for predicting the future the famous last words prior to the great depression was: I think the stock marked has stabilized itself on a slightly higher level than expected. Or on a visit to one of the universities, bragging about it's great achievements in economics, the Queen remarked: strange thought with all this knowledge that none of you managed predict the crash of 2008.

As for the need of a planet B for reference it turns out Venus had an atmosphere ones and now it's just a ball of flouting lava.
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Post by: HSE on September 30, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
Hi nidud!
Warming is not in discussion, just cause.
Indeed several solar systems travelling same galaxy sector could be better.
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Post by: nidud on September 30, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
Warming is not in discussion, just cause.

What we do know is that if the temperature increase so do emission of greenhouse gasses. We also know that these gasses traps heat so this combination creates a loop.

The way this normally plays out is that as the globe becomes warmer it also becomes greener where the ice resides and forests grows thicker and larger. This in addition to greening of the ocean (algae) absorbs most of the CO2 and thus keeps the balance.

This cycle takes some time to adapt so external (or internal) events may destroy this balance, like a massive meteor impact or other events that pushes large amount of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere and create this loop.

As a result the heat will reduce the thickness of the earths crust which will create more (and bigger) volcanic eruptions. This in turn creates a thick layer of smoke and particles that will block or reduce the impact of the sun for a while (a few million years) and then everything will go back to normal again.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
Part of what makes me laugh is the eurocentric approach to GLOBAL climatic conditions. Most of what I hear is sourced from the northern hemisphere yet surprise surprise, there is more to the world than the northern part of the planet and the patterns of the ARCTIC are not necessarily the same as the ANTARCTIC.

Now while the sun is to blame for the sum total of temperature variation, the planet also contributes to things that are perceived as problems here on Earth and it occurs in the form of orbital variations. I did quote the following link for a reason, it explains how the arctic is getting more sunlight due to changes in the Earth's tilt.

https://climate.ncsu.edu/edu/Milankovitch

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Currently the earth is closest to the sun in the Northern Hemisphere winter.  However, the earth's tilt of its rotational axis causes bigger changes in incoming sunlight than the distance from the sun and so it has a bigger effect on the seasons than the distance from the sun itself does.

You don't need to theorise cows farting, people driving SUVs, the global elite flying in their Lear jets or any other human based activity, blame it all on the sun and the planet's orbit.

With the bullsh*t out of the way the remaining problems can be addressed without blaming carbon dioxide, all of those things that DON'T put massive sums of money into the global elite, pollution, land clearing, reversing desertification, planting trees in areas that have been deforested, dumping sh*t in the sea including massive volumes of plastic that is destroying the food chain in the sea. Trouble is that the practical things don't matter to the global elite, only the incoming money and a method of controlling industry at a global level.



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Post by: AW on September 30, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
A girl talking about climate change in crowded rooms of millionaire people who live in luxury homes of several hundred m2 that heat in

Like it or not (for many, definitely not) Greta's speech was the most powerful speech we have all ever heard. It can't be stopped. All those people are terrified.

Now while the sun is to blame for the sum total of temperature variation, the planet also contributes to things that are perceived as problems here on Earth and it occurs in the form of orbital variations. I did quote the following link for a reason, it explains how the arctic is getting more sunlight due to changes in the Earth's tilt.

https://climate.ncsu.edu/edu/Milankovitch

We can't confuse the Milankovitch cycles with what is happening these days due to man-made greenhouse effect. Man-made greenhouse effect is appearing in the last decades while Milankovitch effects spread across many thousands of years.

We need more than plant trees or change to Energy Star light bulbs to fix this.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
> man-made greenhouse effect

This assuming what you are trying to prove, a common technique with the global warming/climate change scam. The Milankovitch cycles are "Science science", not "climate science" and it accounts for a recent phenomenon in the northern hemisphere, increased sunlight equals increased ice melting. If it was a global issue, it would effect both ends of the planet, not just the north end.

Anyone who takes notice of a disturbed 16 year old child with highly polarised ideas (only black or white) deserves what they get, neurosis for nothing. I just hope the poor kid has some fun and feels profound before she rockets back to obscurity.

As long as the things that can be done are pushed aside and the hysterics prevail, the global eco system will continue to deteriorate.
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Post by: jj2007 on September 30, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
The Milankovitch cycles are "Science science", not "climate science" and it accounts for a recent phenomenon in the northern hemisphere, increased sunlight equals increased ice melting.

There are many peer-reviewed journals around, why don't you publish your theses?
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Post by: AW on September 30, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
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Science is not about claiming that everything is a scam when 97% of the scientific community says it is not.
Science is not stating that the global banking scam is behind all this when everybody knows that the global banking scam can only be behind where the money comes from - the carbon fossils interests.

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Anyone who takes notice of a disturbed 16 year old child with highly polarised ideas (only black or white) deserves what they get, neurosis for nothing. I just hope the poor kid has some fun and feels profound before she rockets back to obscurity.

You will be deceived along the time but she came to stay and things will never be the same.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
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> when 97% of the scientific community says it is not.

Science by consensus but consensus changes over time, the Earth was once flat by consensus, the heavens moved in perfect circles and ether filled the spaces between heavenly objects. I wonder what happened to science by the data/evidence ?

When the BIG players like the US, China, Russia, India and others won't have a bar of the bullsh*t, why should we listen to the hysterical nonsense from the latest round of propaganda. So much for pseudo scientific consensus.  :thdn:

For those who have been around long enough, hark back to the 1970s when the global scaremongering was the coming BIG FREEZE, there is science and there is science, so much for the predictive capacity of climate science.  :tongue:
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Post by: jj2007 on September 30, 2019, 04:40:01 PM
For those who have been around long enough, hark back to the 1970s when the global scaremongering was the coming BIG FREEZE

I have been around long enough - in the 1970s I was in my early 20s. Really, I can't remember any news about a new ice age, let alone "scaremongering". But I do remember that scientists started warning about the greenhouse effect in those years.

What you can find in the 1970s literature is scientific articles like this one. Warning: science is boring :cool:

Ice ages and the Milankovitch theory: A study of interactive climate feedback mechanisms (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1979.tb00897.x)
Robert D. Cess  John C. Wronka
First published: June 1979

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Several climate feedback mechanisms, which are not conventionally incorporated within climate models, are investigated to illustrate their potential role in enhancing the sensitivity of the earth's climate to changes in orbital parameters; i.e., for application to the astronomical or Milankovitch theory of ice ages. For illustrative purposes changes only in obliquity angle are considered. Specifically the feedback mechanisms which have been incorporated are:

(1) Zenith‐angle feedback, which constitutes a latitudinal change in the earth's zonal albedo due to the alteration in latitudinal distribution of insolation, and thus solar zenith angle, with changes in obliquity angle.

(2) Bio‐albedo feedback, comprising a climate‐related change in surface albedo as a consequence of altered precipitation patterns modifying the vegetation of land surfaces.

(3) Latent‐heat feedback, which involves climate‐induced changes in the poleward transport of latent heat.

Employing crude parameterizations for these three feedback mechanisms within a simple climate model, it is suggested that collectively these feedback mechanisms could, by several factors, amplify climate change associated with orbital parameter variability.

Oh, btw, you also can find warnings about CO2 and climate change in the 1970s:

Inferences Drawn From Atmospheric Data (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9c7c/b6a1fe408a8f265d6c5b77d59bd187b538d2.pdf)
BERT W. RUST, RALPH M. ROTTY, AND GREGG MARLAND
Institute for Energy Analysis, Oak Ridge Associated Universities, Oak Ridge, Tennessee 3783
JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, JUNE 20, 1979

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There can no longer be any doubt that our industrial society is introducing significant perturbations on the global carbon cycle. Monitoring records show clearly that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing, and current climate models suggest that this increase is likely to cause major changes in the global climate [Manabe and Wetheraid, 1975]. If the predictions are correct, a fundamental remodeling of our industrial system may be required, and the basic changes which this suggests include serious implications for the aspirations of the developing nations of the world. The challenge facing us now is to determine unambiguously whether or not drastic climate changes are imminent and to do so sufficiently far in advance that we can have some options in dealing with the associated problems

Right in the middle of the 1970s when you experienced scaremongering about a coming ice age, at Princeton University they studied entirely different topics - an early attempt of big finance, 44 years ago, to launch the "global scam"?

The Effects of Doubling the CO2 Concentration on the climate of a General Circulation Model
 (https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469%281975%29032%3C0003%3ATEODTC%3E2.0.CO%3B2)
Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory/NOAA, Princeton University, Princeton, N.J. 08540, January 1975

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An attempt is made to estimate the temperature changes resulting from doubling the present CO2 concentration by the use of a simplified three-dimensional general circulation model. This model contains the following simplications: a limited computational domain, an idealized topography, no beat transport by ocean currents, and fixed cloudiness. Despite these limitations, the results from this computation yield some indication of how the increase of CO2 concentration may affect the distribution of temperature in the atmosphere. It is shown that the CO2 increase raises the temperature of the model troposphere, whereas it lowers that of the model stratosphere. The tropospheric warming is somewhat larger than that expected from a radiative-convective equilibrium model. In particular, the increase of surface temperature in higher latitudes is magnified due to the recession of the snow boundary and the thermal stability of the lower troposphere which limits convective beating to the lowest layer. It is also shown that the doubling of carbon dioxide significantly increases the intensity of the hydrologic cycle of the model.

Last but not least, when I was not yet born but you were already around, scientists (probably hired by George Soros to prepare the "global scam") published astonishing findings in peer-reviewed journals:

The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x)
By GlLBERT N. PLASS
The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md.
(Manuscript received August 9 1955)

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The most recent calculations of the infra-red flux in the region of the 15 micron CO2 band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6 if the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is doubled and decreases 3.8 if the CO2 amount is halved, provided that no other factors change which influence the radiation balance. Variations in CO2 amount of this magnitude must have occurred during geological history; the resulting temperature changes were sufficiently large to influence the climate. The CO2 balance is discussed. The CO2 equilibrium between atmosphere and oceans is calculated with and without CaCO3 equilibrium, assuming that the average temperature changes with the CO2 concentration by the amount predicted by the CO2 theory. When the total CO2 is reduced below a critical value, it is found that the climate continuously oscillates between a glacial and an inter-glacial stage with a period of tens of thousands of years; there is no possible stable state for the climate. Simple explanations are provided by the CO2 theory for the increased precipitation at the onset of a glacial period, the time lag of millions of years between periods of mountain building and the ensuing glaciation, and the severe glaciation at the end of the Carboniferous. The extra CO2 released into the atmosphere by industrial processes and other human activities may have caused the temperature rise during the present century. In contrast with other theories of climate, the CO2 theory predicts that this warming trend will continue, at least for several centuries.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
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So much for climate science.
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p 581: During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. U.S. National Science Board, 1974.

p 582: Were the cooling trend to reverse... the earth could warm relatively rapidly, with potentially catastrophic effect. National Science Foundation, 1975.

p 590: The climates of the earth have always been changing, and they will doubtless continue to do so in the future. How large these future chnages will be, and where and how rapidly they will occur, we do not know. National Academy of Sciences, 1975.

p 595: Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end... leading into the next glacial age.... National Science Board, 1972.

p 600; Will we be able to recognize the first phases of a truely significant climatic change when it does occur? NAS, 1975.

p 607: We live in an unusual epoch: today the polar regions have large ice caps, whereas during most of the earth's history the poles have been ice-free. NAS, 1975.

p 610: Man may even be able to change the climate of the earth. This is one of the most important questions of our time. NBS, 1972.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 07:34:01 PM
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There is no such thing as a global banking scam ?

https://www.ft.com/content/6e60b6ec-b10b-11e8-99ca-68cf89602132
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David Sheppard, Energy Editor SEPTEMBER 7 2018Print this page50
A select group of specialist traders at hedge funds and investment banks, including Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, are churning bumper profits from a once niche commodity that has risen phoenix-like from a decade-long slump.

Carbon credits, introduced by the EU to curb pollution by companies in the trading bloc, have soared almost fourfold in the past year to above €20 per tonne of CO2, following legislative changes designed to get the scheme working.

Find the bullsh*t, follow the money.
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
 :biggrin:

More !

The EU carbon market scam
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/eu-carbon-market-scam

 :tongue:

Why is it that the US, China, India, Russia and many others don't support the EU attempt to control industry via carbon trading ? Yet another example of the EU trying to punch over its weight without the talent to do so.  :eusa_boohoo:
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Post by: AW on September 30, 2019, 08:27:47 PM
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Science by consensus but consensus changes over time

But 200 years have elapsed!
Joseph Fourier found in 1824 that gases in the atmosphere might trap the heat received from the Sun.
His early finding were later completed by Tyndall and Arrhenius, all within the 19th century.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/why-we-know-about-the-greenhouse-gas-effect/

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When the BIG players like the US, China, Russia, India

China is doing an exceptional recovery job. India is still green, although is not actually doing anything for it, it is just plain industry underdevelopment.

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There is no such thing as a global banking scam ?

I see now what you mean by global banking scam. This comes all way back from the Kyoto Protocol.
In short, some countries don't use up all the CO2 quota they are allowed to, so they sell to other countries. The same can happen within one country, when a company does not use all their CO2 assignment because they were going green. I am not seeing exactly any scam here.
However, some countries like Australia are reportedly using carryover credit, is this what you meant?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/12/australia-likely-to-use-controversial-kyoto-loophole-to-meet-paris-agreement
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Post by: hutch-- on September 30, 2019, 09:31:01 PM
I actually see the humour of carbon credits being a licence to pollute rather than a technique to reduce pollution. If you are a BIG DIRTY MANUFACTURER, buy up carbon credits from desperate 3rd world countries then spew sh*t into the atmosphere, water ways and land fill. This sound like rape to preserve virginity.

The problem with the carbon credit scheme coming out of the EU is that the EU tries to punch well above its weight when it does not have the clout to do so. The debacle of it trying to surcharge the US, China and others with their aircrafts fell flat on its arse, yet another overreach by the EU.
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Post by: AW on September 30, 2019, 09:56:13 PM
I actually see the humour of carbon credits being a licence to pollute rather than a technique to reduce pollution. If you are a BIG DIRTY MANUFACTURER, buy up carbon credits from desperate 3rd world countries then spew sh*t into the atmosphere, water ways and land fill. This sound like rape to preserve virginity.

The problem with the carbon credit scheme coming out of the EU is that the EU tries to punch well above its weight when it does not have the clout to do so. The debacle of it trying to surcharge the US, China and others with their aircrafts fell flat on its arse, yet another overreach by the EU.

I am not seeing any such maneuvers coming out of the EU, which you appear to dislike, god knows why?
There are a lot of such maneuvers coming from US and Australia, incidentally the heaviest world polluters together with Russia and Saudi Arabia. I appreciate your patriotism though, and it fully justifies your climate denial positions.
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Post by: Siekmanski on September 30, 2019, 11:49:40 PM
I actually see the humour of carbon credits being a licence to pollute rather than a technique to reduce pollution. If you are a BIG DIRTY MANUFACTURER, buy up carbon credits from desperate 3rd world countries then spew sh*t into the atmosphere, water ways and land fill. This sound like rape to preserve virginity.

The problem with the carbon credit scheme coming out of the EU is that the EU tries to punch well above its weight when it does not have the clout to do so. The debacle of it trying to surcharge the US, China and others with their aircrafts fell flat on its arse, yet another overreach by the EU.

I am not seeing any such maneuvers coming out of the EU, which you appear to dislike, god knows why?
There are a lot of such maneuvers coming from US and Australia, incidentally the heaviest world polluters together with Russia and Saudi Arabia. I appreciate your patriotism though, and it fully justifies your climate denial positions.

One example in my country are the green energy certificates.
We produce 2% green energy but, 67% of the people have a green energy contract, those green energy certificates were bought from Norway.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 01, 2019, 12:39:40 AM
Jose,

You probably don't see it living in an EU country but EU over reach has occurred in many areas, computer security, trade conditions, attempts to apply surcharges to non EU airlines etc etc etc .... The EU is finally a failing economic block used by the more powerful members to keep the price of their exports down due to the average economic strength of all of the EU members. The countries that are badly disadvantaged by this are Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, most of the Baltic states, Cyprus and so on.

The winners are France, Germany and to a lesser extent the UK which is desperately trying to get out of the EU.

The heaviest polluters are China, the US and India as they are big economies with large industry. While the per capita pollution in OZ is reasonably high, with a 22 million population and a large land mass, OZ hits at about 3% of the world total. OZ is a large coal exporter and while many whine about it, the real solution is nuclear which OZ has in abundant supply, it just does not have the political courage to do it.

Now back to the EU driven carbon credit system, a licence to pollute by buying credits from desperate third world countries so the countries with big dirty industry can keep spewing sh*t into the atmosphere, water ways and the sea, this has to be a farce of massive proportions as the tree hugging and pseudo ecological twoddle are nothing more than a PR exercise to make money while failing to protect the ecological system that it is supposed to be trying to protect.
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Post by: jj2007 on October 01, 2019, 01:09:39 AM
Hutch,

I agree that the carbon credit system ("certificates") is bulls**t. CO2 taxes are much more efficient.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 01, 2019, 01:14:28 AM
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But 200 years have elapsed!
Joseph Fourier found in 1824 that gases in the atmosphere might trap the heat received from the Sun.
His early finding were later completed by Tyndall and Arrhenius, all within the 19th century.

Svante Arrhenius is taken out of context by the alarmists. He believed increased CO2 would be helpful and not catastrophic, which is what alarmists believe. They never mention that when they quote his theories on CO2.
Also in his calculations, the temperature should have increased faster and the CO2 levels should not have risen as fast as they do.

Joseph Fourier a very smart guy. Let's use his fourier-transform algorithm to expose the missing and or altered cyclic data from flawed climate models.
Let's start with dr. Mann's secret unknown data. Is it a combined tree ring / satellite data set with an exponential high-pass feedback filter?

Science is about facts and facts don't care about your feelings and opinions.
Rewriting history to produce matching data is the "new science".
Have they forgotten we have (uni-)libraries, old newspapers, old logbooks and the wayback machine?
I'm not scared by the number juggling magician pseudo scientists controlled by politicians and their so called consensus.
Influential totalitarians, sure, but no consensus.
If they claim consensus, provide some evidence, please.

Human Induced Climate Change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWiv5QAZAJM&feature=related

Please, please, let there be a test, based on IQ and mental illness before you can become a politician.
The latest here in the Netherlands is a politician who wants to decolonize math.  :rolleyes:

Our society is almost doomed.
Free speech is now a synonym for hate.
Discussions? not possible anymore.... or it's one way only.
Definitions are taken out of context or symply redefined.
Once we had ( the Netherlands ) a great education system, and now we have a shortage of school teachers and not the smartest students anymore.
Wonder why?

Svante Arrhenius, the inspirator for the Club of Rome...

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The Club of Rome stimulated considerable public attention with the first report to the club, The Limits to Growth. Published in 1972, its computer simulations suggested that economic growth could not continue indefinitely because of resource depletion.

Quote by Club of Rome: "...the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million people but less than one billion."

Quote by Club of Rome: "A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income."

Quote by Club of Rome:  "Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late."

Quote by David Rockefeller, heir to billion dollar fortune: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..."

Quote by Bill Gates, Microsoft billionaire, and large CO2 producer: "The world today has 6.8 billion people...that's headed up to about 9 billion. If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent."

So let the economy collapse by scaring the hell out of people with climate change nonsense.
Influence and brainwashing young people thru the education system by radicalised teachers and buy stupid politicians and "scientists" to speed things up.
Let's do it humane, by carbon-taxing them to poverty.
Cut them off of cheap oil and gas and give them expensive subsidized renewable energy in return, there will be a shortage for sure and if it gets colder, killing them even faster.
In the meantime wealth and resources will be redistributed.
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Post by: nidud on October 01, 2019, 01:34:34 AM
One example in my country are the green energy certificates.
We produce 2% green energy but, 67% of the people have a green energy contract, those green energy certificates were bought from Norway.

There is massive resistance against this in Norway. We don't really need this power so this is indeed a real conspiracy. First they force us to connect to the EU energy grid against massive protests. Ones connected they now have incentives to increase the cost of electricity based on the facts that we now "technically" use dirty energy imported from the EU.

The aim here appear to be to equalize the cost of energy across the union and this is really bad news for both the industry and private consumers up here. In addition to this the plan seems to be using Norway as a "green battery" for the rest of Europe where foreign subsidized companies build wind turbines up here for consumption down there.

The locals are not very keen on this idea (to put it mildly) so now the entrepreneurs needs police protection to continue their work. The local counsels then blocks further development of these projects and as a result the ruling elite lobbying to overrule the local counsels.

https://www.nrk.no/ytring/stortinget-bor-overkjore-kommunene-1.14705234
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Post by: jj2007 on October 01, 2019, 01:39:09 AM
Let's do it humane, by carbon-taxing them to poverty.

Obviously, you have never bothered to study the proposals.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/kopf-praemie-zum-klimaschutz-die-buerger-muessen-von-einer-co2-steuer-profitieren/24244732.html
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 01, 2019, 03:57:41 AM
Nein, ich lebe ja in den Niederlanden und nicht in Deutschland.

So the government in Germany pays you back in advance so that your can pay the CO2 tax? ( depending on your income ).
Where is the catch, they pay me and I give it back.

And who pays for your electric car and the mandatory heat pump in your house?
And all of this for 0.0007 degrees celcius in 2050.

And if it gets really cold, the heat pump is not enough to keep it warm at your home.

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Post by: AW on October 01, 2019, 04:26:14 AM
Hutch,

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UK which is desperately trying to get out of the EU.

Jesus, we want desperately to get rid of them! What are they waiting for?
They will regret forever to leave the EU - their dream is to become Singapore on Thames. Lovely, we should always follow our dreams!  :badgrin:

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Now back to the EU driven carbon credit system

You never present any evidence of your accusations  :sad:! I never heard of such schemas in the EU, all that has and is being done in the EU respects the international (good or bad) agreements. Dark schemas are in US, Russia, Ukraine and eventually in Australia.
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Post by: AW on October 01, 2019, 04:36:56 AM
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Human Induced Climate Change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWiv5QAZAJM&feature=related

At least is not from RedIce TV but
5,202 views •Jan 15, 2009

2 comments, one is: "The AGW scam is based on money, not science."
Tell me, can't you find anything with credibility? I know you can.

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Post by: Siekmanski on October 01, 2019, 05:06:00 AM
 :biggrin:

I'm always looking for both hypotheses to keep a wide view on things.
It's fun to read the comments. I know you do.
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Post by: caballero on October 01, 2019, 07:19:55 AM
> Like it or not (for many, definitely not) Greta's speech was the most powerful speech we have all ever heard. It can't be stopped.
Yeah, that's what I afraid. No matter how many people don't like it.

As I have already said, I also agree that we must be much more responsible with the planet, but this speech by Greta & cia is a fraud.

If Miss is so alarmed with pollution, someone could explain to me why she travels so much by plane to give speeches all over the world. Does she only contribute a little in pollution?

In the economic crisis of 2008, the ready of my country decided to spend huge amounts of money literally on lifting sidewalks and putting them back as they were, just to keep people busy. Next time, pay attention to me, put people in groups of two, the first with a spout digging, the second behind with a shovel filling the hole, walking in circles, we end with unemployment. However, ecological alarmists all of them, it was not the case of anybody to dedicate such a disproportion of money to repopulate Spain forests. If someone has been here highlights the deforestation there is, it was not always the case, there is a nice project, squirrel project (https://www.escapadarural.com/blog/una-ardilla-atravesara-espana-sin-pisar-suelo/), for it. It makes me think that we really are not as environmentalists as we say. It makes me think that we really are not as environmentalists as we say.

My lord president no longer travels anywhere without his private army jet since accessing the position, which huge costs that nobody has managed to declare, it remains a state secret, even to the international festival of Benicasim with his wife. When not, use the helicopter, he must have already forgotten what it feels like to travel by car, and always taking shots inside with sun glasses. I want to be like him when I grow up. So, he went to visit our Miss Greta and promised several million euros. How easy it is to be generous with the money of others. Cmon, a few kisses, a few laughs, a few drinks, and everybody to their houses in their planes or private jets.
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Post by: jj2007 on October 01, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
this speech by Greta & cia is a fraud

Lovely :greenclp:
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Post by: hutch-- on October 01, 2019, 05:01:31 PM
Poor kid, she should be getting an education, scheming on how to get laid, thinking of a future career and not being exploited by greedy bastards who want to make a profit out of this kid's disturbed mind.
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Post by: AW on October 01, 2019, 05:15:19 PM
 :biggrin:

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If Miss is so alarmed with pollution, someone could explain to me why she travels so much by plane to give speeches all over the world.

She does not travel by plane, she travels by train and she traveled across the Atlantic in a zero emission yatch from the Monaco's Royal Family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bCAAyYB430
Now, that she is not a "frequent flyer" you can always say that she is

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being exploited by greedy bastards who want to make a profit out of this kid's disturbed mind],

that is the Monaco's Royal Family.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 02, 2019, 12:22:47 AM
 :biggrin:

> a zero emission yatch from the Monaco's Royal Family

Any metal used is not zero emission. Then there is any plastic, carbon fibre, the fabric in the sails, fibreglass in the hull, did she cook using a magnifying glass only and did she ever fly back after the solo voyage ? It was nothing more than a stunt, at least the kid proved she could sail a yacht across the Atlantic. Lets face it, if the yacht is owned by the Monaco Royal Family its no wicker basket or Contiki, its full of things that can only be made by dirty polluting industrial processes.
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Post by: AW on October 02, 2019, 01:26:26 AM
Any metal used is not zero emission. Then there is any plastic, carbon fibre, the fabric in the sails, fibreglass in the hull, did she cook using a magnifying glass only and did she ever fly back after the solo voyage ? It was nothing more than a stunt, at least the kid proved she could sail a yacht across the Atlantic. Lets face it, if the yacht is owned by the Monaco Royal Family its no wicker basket or Contiki, its full of things that can only be made by dirty polluting industrial processes.
It is possible she can't make it 100% carbon free but important is her contribution to a better World.

OPEP is worried, they consider Greta the greatest threat to the fossil fuel industry.  :biggrin:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/05/biggest-compliment-yet-greta-thunberg-welcomes-oil-chiefs-greatest-threat-label


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Post by: HSE on October 02, 2019, 01:41:18 AM
OPEP is worried, they consider Greta the greatest threat to the fossil fuel industry.  :biggrin:

If there is in development a new  fundamentalism, everybody have to be worried!
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Post by: hutch-- on October 02, 2019, 01:59:34 AM
 :biggrin:

> OPEP is worried, they consider Greta the greatest threat to the fossil fuel industry

This seems to be an act of imagination, the only threat to the "fossil fuel industry" is a better system which is coming but not there yet.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 02, 2019, 07:39:39 AM
The farmers in the Netherlands are fed up being framed as climate criminals by green politicians and climate alarmists and have united.
Today they organized a climate protest to fight against the CO2 and N2 emission regulations that makes farming and growing almost impossible.
Recently 1 of the politicians proposed a 50% reduction in the number of animals allowed on farms.

The climate alarmists probably think we can live without bread, vegetables, fruits, milk and meat.

The CO2 and N2 discussion is a big deal in my country, by now 18000 house and road construction projects are stopped. (the politicians shot in their own leg, bet the N2 regulations will be changed really soon. )
N2 emission calculations in the Netherlands are based on models and not on real measurements.

The farmers needed a strategy so that the protest will be for sure broadcasted by the main stream media.
In The Hage we have a national protest field called Malieveld.
The government secured this field with fences and allowed only 24 tractors on this field. (but the farmers drove thru the fences filling up the Malieveld. https://imgur.com/gallery/O7VuveF)
So they couldn't make the protest look much smaller on Dutch MSN.

They drove with thousands of tractors from every corner in the Netherlands to the Hage.
They went on a go-slow in their tractors, clogging up almost all major highways in the Netherlands causing the biggest traffic jam ever.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFxVdYKXYAUHjUr?format=png&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFxVdXnW4AAF5C8?format=jpg&name=360x360)

Now everyone is aware how big this protest is and even MSN can't lie about it.

BTW airplanes are not included in the CO2 and N2 emission regulations??????

Among the farmers' demands are that the government does not further reduce the number of animals they can keep and for an "independent party" to measure the carbon and nitrogen emissions that farms produce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlh4grRdoYg

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Post by: HSE on October 02, 2019, 08:23:17 AM
Hi Siekmanski!

Is Netherland working to rise barriers and dam levels?
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 02, 2019, 08:28:58 AM
Hi Siekmanski!

Is Netherland working to rise barriers and dam levels?

No, only when the sea level rise.
We're safe, even under extreme heavy weather.
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Post by: AW on October 02, 2019, 03:19:51 PM
Is the F1 Grand Prix back to Netherlands with electric cars?
Title: "Please leave my town"
Post by: AW on October 02, 2019, 03:27:54 PM
Boris struggling to get out of the EU  :biggrin:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p07mmwgj/49609878
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Post by: jj2007 on October 02, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
They drove with thousands of tractors from every corner in the Netherlands to the Hage.
They went on a go-slow in their tractors, clogging up almost all major highways in the Netherlands causing the biggest traffic jam ever.

Wait until Germany decides to close the borders for the Dutch manure trucks - that will be real fun then :greenclp:

Lovely - "DAD, are you a mass murder?": (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/05/biggest-compliment-yet-greta-thunberg-welcomes-oil-chiefs-greatest-threat-label)

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Mohammed Barkindo, the secretary general of Opec, said there was a growing mass mobilisation of world opinion against oil, which was “beginning to … dictate policies and corporate decisions, including investment in the industry”.

He said the pressure was also being felt within the families of Opec officials because their own children “are asking us about their future because … they see their peers on the streets campaigning against this industry”
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 02, 2019, 06:00:44 PM
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Is the F1 Grand Prix back to Netherlands with electric cars?

Yeah, green F1 cars, with a coal factory in the dunes of Zandvoort to reload the car batteries.  :badgrin:

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Wait until Germany decides to close the borders for the Dutch manure trucks - that will be real fun then :greenclp:

 :biggrin:

Then we will ship the manure to Boris and Nigel.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 08:22:14 AM
500 scientists signed a letter recently to the United Nations Attorney General, decrying the alarmism that they where putting into their climate change rhetoric,
saying there is no climate emergency and demanding a debate in 2020 between both side of the aisle to really nut out this climate change issue once and for all.
Which of course is not being reported on MSN.  :eusa_naughty:

Press briefing: https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ecd-press-briefing.pdf
The  registered letter: https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ecd-letter-to-un.pdf

The current list of signees can be found here:
https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf

Source: https://clintel.nl/category/clintel/
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Post by: AW on October 03, 2019, 08:56:03 AM
I dont think senhor Guterrez will give "Augustinus Johannes "Guus" Berkhout (born 1940) is a Dutch engineer who has worked for the oil and gas industry, and as a professor. Berkhout started his career working for Shell" the expected attention in climate matters he is demanding.  :sad:
I wonder who the other professors are, but can't check right now.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 09:41:26 AM
You really think those 500 scientist are presenting themselves to make fools of themselves?
The globalists will not accept a debate, because you don't answer questions if you want to hide your intentions.  :icon_idea:
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Post by: AW on October 03, 2019, 10:08:58 AM
They are not 500 scientists, have a look at the list. Most of them are just amateurs or with competences that have nothing to do with climate.
Let's see another one: Ingemar Nordin
https://liu.se/en/employee/ WTF!

But  let me cherry pick another professor from the list.
Richard Lindzen:
https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Richard_Lindzen.htm

I give up, sorry. Do you still think that senhor Guterres is going to waste time with these people?
Note, that I am not socialist like senhor Guterres, but he is extremely intelligent and is also an engineer so knows very well what science is. He finished college with  19 points from a maximum of 20, I don't know any other case.
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Post by: nidud on October 03, 2019, 11:28:08 AM
 :biggrin:

Morten Jødal is a member of the local right-wing party founded by the apartheid regime in SA back in the days.

He himself is actually part of a scientific study:

https://www.nrk.no/norge/ny-studie_-konservative_-innvandringskritiske-menn-er-oftere-klimafornektere-1.14178580

Cool dudes in Norway: climate change denial among conservative Norwegian men. (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23251042.2018.1488516)
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 02:46:44 PM
 :rolleyes:

AW, you are right, a very smart man:
The UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called climate change “the battle of his life”, but one that “we’re not winning”.

My bad Nidud, I always thought that the social world was fundamentally different to the natural, physical world.
I'll never question scientific sociologists again.

New sociological study:
Anthropogenic Climate Change must be real, teenagers and Hollywood actors believe in it.

You guys have totally convinced me, what was I thinking all those years.  :badgrin:
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Post by: AW on October 03, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
Siekmanski,

Please don't change your views, we need diversity.
And you are bringing to the stage people I never imagined could have an important say on the climate change issues.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
 :biggrin:
It goes both ways  :thumbsup: , but okay, if you insist, here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtDSu_-v9M

And a bonus video alarmists don't like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-8Nws5wfG0
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Post by: AW on October 03, 2019, 07:07:44 PM
And a bonus video alarmists don't like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-8Nws5wfG0

Finally!
I was wondering the reason the celebrated Heartland Institute has not appeared yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
Do you share the same views about smoking the The Heartland Institute has?  :rolleyes:
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Post by: nidud on October 03, 2019, 08:06:00 PM
 :biggrin:

It is you who bring up a social issue here. You addressing the media hype around climate change.

... decrying the alarmism ... climate change rhetoric ...  demanding a debate ... Which of course is not being reported on MSN
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 08:51:47 PM
AW, to answer your question, no.

What is the connection between Smoking and Anthropogenic Climate Change?
What is the parallel here I'm obviously missing.
Or is it the "oil-funded" framing excuse again?
Government funded subjective science is the way to go....

Nidud, I was referring to your link of the Norwegian scientific study (climate change denial among conservative Norwegian men) by a sociologist not knowing the difference between "climate change denial" and "anthropogenic climate change denial".

The shared 100% consensus is, no one can deny climate change, simply because it has and will always change.
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Post by: AW on October 03, 2019, 09:16:55 PM
What is the connection between Smoking and Anthropogenic Climate Change?
:biggrin:

The connection is that the Heartland Institute receives money from the industry to reject scientific evidence related to acid rain, ozone hole, DDT, smoking/second-hand smoking  and anthropogenic climate change. Although individual citizens may have particular opinions about some of these issues, most times divergences are due to ignorance, political options or own private, local or national interests, organizations like the Heartland Institute are large scale mercenary entities that defend causes for money and nothing but the money.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 03, 2019, 09:25:36 PM
 :biggrin:
Like governments fund alarmists to reject real climate science evidence but to promote flawed climate models?
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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
...receives money from the industry to reject scientific evidence related ...

Perhaps sounds trivial, investigation funding is at the heart of the problem. But rising fundings to true investigations will not solve the debate, because true sciences are very slow and, more important, are really boring to public.
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Post by: TimoVJL on October 04, 2019, 12:47:12 AM
"anthropogenic climate change denial" have an easy task, just prove that CO2 don't harm climate and where that CO2 came from ?
any links for it ?

EDIT:
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect-basic.htm
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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 01:31:27 AM
just prove that CO2 don't harm climate and where that CO2 came from ?

Sorry, where is the prove that CO2 is responsible of climate fluctuations?
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Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2019, 01:42:44 AM
As best I know, it is an assumption based of sketchy knowledge of Venus which has a very high temperature at the surface but what the assumption misses is that Venus has a much larger atmosphere than Earth and far higher atmospheric pressure that Earth. The fallacy of the assumption that Earth could go the same way is there is no way to produce the VOLUME of Venus's atmosphere. Its a standard bullsh*t driven assumption that carbon dioxide will produce the same effect as Venus.
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Post by: AW on October 04, 2019, 02:06:49 AM
The first assessment was the Tyndall experiment made circa 1850.

"Tyndall noticed that gases made of more than one element, such as water vapour (H2O) or carbon dioxide (CO2), tend to absorb more energy from the infra-red rays than gases made of a single type of element, such as hydrogen or oxygen. He argued this provides evidence of atomic bonding: it wouldn’t happen if water was just a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen atoms. On this, he was partially right. We now know that what matters isn’t just the existence of molecular bonds, but whether the molecules are asymmetric—after all, oxygen gas molecules (O2) are also pairs of atoms bonded together."

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/bho1szcf01qoi0h/Tyndall-setup-labelled.jpg.jpg?dl=1)

Here is a nice Youtube video explaining it all for people that want to learn, if they don't or rely more in non-scientific explanations just skip it.
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/nvdtwm-sci-co2evidence/evidence-that-carbon-dioxide-traps-heat-decoding-the-weather-machine/


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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 02:15:59 AM
Hi Hutch and Atelier!

Just a joke for Timo. We have already discussed the problems to prove things in a way or in the other.

Nidud mention Venus but size and distance from Sun (and here levels of irradiance) are so important that is not posible serious speculations about gases (or other things).

A very interesting study in development is to measure Sun's emisions. A companion project is to forecast true emissions from Sun (and from here a better estimate of radiance recieved by planets). First satelite was operative close to Sun (1200°C at sensor face) from beginning of 2019, but at least 4 satelites in fixed positions are requiered.
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Post by: AW on October 04, 2019, 02:18:25 AM
Perhaps sounds trivial, investigation funding is at the heart of the problem.

There is no investigation funding, they just contract retired scientists close or above their 80 y.o. to preach against science.
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Post by: nidud on October 04, 2019, 02:31:18 AM
Sorry, where is the prove that CO2 is responsible of climate fluctuations?

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.
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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 02:32:53 AM
Real investigators don't obtain funds for serious projects (or at least is more easy if you support human damage to climate).

retired scientists close or above their 80 y.o

Of course, to sign that political statement can finish a scientific career.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2019, 02:34:45 AM
No truer word was ever said, PHUN - DING is the source of climate hysteria, no hysteria, no PHUN - DING.  :tongue:
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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 02:38:57 AM
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.
In a jar perhaps you can prove that Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which is not in doubt.
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Post by: nidud on October 04, 2019, 03:04:31 AM
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.
In a jar perhaps you can prove that Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which is not in doubt.

 :biggrin:

Well, if you use two jars, one with CO2 and the other without, the temperature in the first one will increase more than the last one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ
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Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2019, 03:22:12 AM
Without carbon dioxide, we would have snowball Earth.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 04, 2019, 03:48:10 AM
If you do it the right way and keep it at the real proportions of CO2,

A) bottle with natural CO2
B) bottle with natural + antropogenic CO2

I whish you luck in finding a temperature sensor that can measure the difference.
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Post by: HSE on October 04, 2019, 04:02:43 AM
 :biggrin:

That kind of pseudoscience is a problem at certain level. In the "experiment" are confunded effects of heat generated by salt disolution, solution opasity, air pressure, water vapour, CO2 and drops in the wall of the jar (almost forget that this is assuming bottles are identical and amount of water the same). 

In same page is reported a little more carefull experiment which obtain 0.75 °C of difference instead of 9 °C. As expected conclusions are the same in this case, but sometimes are completely different with a correct experimental design or after to account for noise effects.
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Post by: nidud on October 04, 2019, 04:12:29 AM
Without carbon dioxide, we would have snowball Earth.

And with too much we end up as Venus.

If you do it the right way and keep it at the real proportions of CO2,

In the natural cycle the global north don't release any carbon during the winter when it's covered with ice and snow, so the excess of carbon released during the summer is then consumed by the tropical south. The ear you exhale right now will be on the other side of the planet within six days so it is the wind who distributes this natural fertilizer evenly around the world.

If the global north releases more carbon during the winter than the natural cycle and at the same time chop down the tropical forest in the south the amount of carbon will accumulate and so will the temperature.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 04, 2019, 04:30:11 AM
This is a stupid test in a closed environment not representing reallity.
The Alka-Seltzer tablet causes a reaction producing more energy and higher pressure in the bottle.

But it is an ideal experiment to scare little kids at school.

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Post by: nidud on October 04, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
This is a stupid test in a closed enivironment not representing reallity.
The Alka-Seltzer tablet causes a reaction produsing more energy and higher pressure in the bottle.

 :biggrin:

There is done hundreds (if not thousands) experiments of this kind over the years including plants and insects, human and farm animals, low/high pressure/altitude/gasses and so on. All with the same results.
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Post by: jj2007 on October 04, 2019, 05:21:51 AM
It has been demonstrated plenty of times, and the calculations have been tested quite a bit, see below.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 04, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
The treatment of all greenhouse gases as “CO2-equivalent”, using a metric known as global warming potential (GWP).
This misrepresents the impact of short-lived climate pollutants, such as methane, on future warming.
Drew Shindell, a NASA climate scientist, believes that, while methane dissipates faster than carbon dioxide, it is easier to deal with right now.
“Success in controlling CO2 emissions is likely to make very little difference on temperature over the next 40 years,” he says.

CO2 life-span, there is still no consensus.
Is it 5, 12, ..... 100 years?

It is true that an individual molecule of CO2 has a short live time in the atmosphere.
However, in most cases when a molecule of CO2 leaves the atmosphere it is simply swapping places with one in the ocean.
Thus, the warming potential of CO2 has very little to do with the live time of CO2.
What really governs the warming potential is how long the extra CO2 remains in the atmosphere.
CO2 is essentially chemically inert in the atmosphere and is only removed by biological uptake and by dissolving into the ocean.
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Post by: K_F on October 04, 2019, 08:02:52 AM
Ja Boet (Brother)

Are we forgetting the maximum quantum energy of CO2 ...as we beat about the bush - Now there's another name source of all this BS.
;)
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Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2019, 08:18:59 AM
We have all heard the gabfest from the hysterical but no-one is telling us where all of the EXTRA gasses are coming from to create the greenhouse effect modelled from Venus. Is it by magic or is it powered by sheer imagination ?
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Post by: nidud on October 04, 2019, 08:57:46 AM
We have all heard the gabfest from the hysterical but no-one is telling us where all of the EXTRA gasses are coming from to create the greenhouse effect modelled from Venus. Is it by magic or is it powered by sheer imagination ?

 :biggrin:

The greenhouse effect is modeled from Tellus not Venus.

The extra gasses comes from the ground. Each year leafs falls off the trees and creates a new layer which is pushed further down and gets more compressed. In it's purest form this turns into rock (coal), liquid (oil) and gas.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2019, 10:11:48 AM
Tellus is an alternative name for this planet and this planet has never experienced the effect that is recognised on Venus, enormously dense atmosphere of far higher volume that Earth.

> The extra gasses comes from the ground

The sum total of mass of the Earth is all you have and the gravitational field of Earth does not normally allow gas to escape. Unless you have a theory of additional gas coming from outside the planet, the amount of gas is finite and with this limitation, you cannot duplicate the Venus effect.
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Post by: AW on October 04, 2019, 05:53:55 PM
 :biggrin:
The same old story, over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through
David Bowie
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Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2019, 01:08:02 AM
The info I have seen is that the northern hemisphere has much greater land mass than the southern hemisphere and that accounts for its generally much larger winter ice sheet than Antarctica which gets isolated by the great southern ocean. The first time I went to Tasmania when my mum lived on the north coast I nearly froze to death. Got out of the plane wearing a leather jacket, jumper, jeans and boots and was just about snap frozen. Next day at her place in Burnie, I saw it raining sideways, the wind was so high. Later a friend of hers drove us around and went to a lighthouse at Wynyard and I got out of the car to have a closer look and experienced hypothermia in under 30 seconds.

The drift is that the southern hemisphere is very different to the northern hemisphere due to far lower land mass and the complete loop of the great southern ocean that isolated Antarctica keep that continent colder that it would normally be.

How Ice Ages Happen: The Milankovitch Cycles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA788usYNWA

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Post by: caballero on October 05, 2019, 02:08:10 AM
Guillaume Pitron (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487mer5stLM) the rare metals war. The way of manufacturing electric cars involves the use of highly polluting rare metals.

In addition, producing more electricity will require greater consumption of fossil fuels.

A report published in the German newspaper Taz states that Thunberg is generating more greenhouse gases than if it had flown, because the ship will be brought back to Europe by other sailors who must fly to the US. to pick it up. Herrmann will return, which will cause another flight.
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Post by: caballero on October 05, 2019, 02:53:27 AM
I have read a little about Mr. Guillaume Pitron's ideas and they are quite interesting. Usually, far from questioning our decisions, we tend to rush towards change.

He speaks about geostrategic and military interest in getting rid of the dependence on fossil fuels for the army. In this way, the USA could, for example, leave the Middle East oil center, and achieve self-sufficiency for its armies.

On the other hand is the supposed goodness of electricity as an energy source. As if we plugged a cable and, magically we obtained this energy. Where will it occur? MMMh? And who cares!

Curiously, today there are two disruptive elements in these hypotheses, taking into account that rare metals are needed for electrical appliances:

- The world center for the production of rare metals is China. Which would lead the dependence of the Middle East to the East Asia.
- The production and extraction of rare metals is extremely harmful to the environment.
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Post by: AW on October 05, 2019, 03:01:58 AM
A report published in the German newspaper Taz states that Thunberg is generating more greenhouse gases than if it had flown, because the ship will be brought back to Europe by other sailors who must fly to the US. to pick it up. Herrmann will return, which will cause another flight.
I did not know they were going to hire airplanes just for themselves! They should be very rich.
I thought they were going to use regular airlines that would always fly anyway.  :biggrin:
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Post by: caballero on October 05, 2019, 03:15:34 AM
> that would always fly anyway
So what is the problem of airplanes?
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Post by: AW on October 05, 2019, 03:21:00 AM
> that would always fly anyway
So what is the problem of airplanes?
The argument is that airplains produce a lot of CO2, that's the reason for the newspaper article.
Do you understand now or do I have to recapitulate?
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Post by: caballero on October 05, 2019, 03:27:54 AM
I have understood perfectly. I think the one who has not understood my irony has been you. If the planes come and go, what else does it matter to participate in it. It's not like that?
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Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2019, 03:59:32 AM
 :biggrin:

The planes may come and go but if less people use them, then less planes come and go.  :tongue:
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Post by: AW on October 05, 2019, 04:26:15 AM
There is an important cause for which the scientific community and many other entities believe is urgent to mobilize the World.
This is what matters. You can waste time saying that the cause is not good enough because some of the people that defend it fly occasionally or may not have an electric car or if they have, electric cars used fossil fuels to be built. This sound simply a kids discussion, find a fuc*k**g good argument, please.  :badgrin:
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Post by: caballero on October 05, 2019, 04:30:54 AM
Here you have a f*cking good argument. [whatever f*cking good argument]... Never mind, you don't agree anyway   :skrewy:
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Post by: TimoVJL on October 05, 2019, 05:11:11 AM
:biggrin:

The planes may come and go but if less people use them, then less planes come and go.  :tongue:
Boeing 737 MAX don't fly, and if someone try to fly, it just put nose down :undecided:
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Post by: HSE on October 05, 2019, 05:26:54 AM
There is an important cause for which the scientific community... believe is urgent to mobilize the World.

No. Scientific community don't think in anyway is urgent to mobilize the world.

Indeed, there is no way that scientific community agree something (never believe), except facts force that. And theoretical assumptions don't do that.

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Post by: Siekmanski on October 05, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
NASA: Climate changes due to shifts in solar orbit, not human activity.

Original article removed by the paranoia Climate Change Inquisition:
https://www.oann.com/nasa-climate-changes-due-to-shifts-in-solar-orbit-not-human-activity/

But they forgot we have Google cache:   :skrewy:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KoH5enRnHKQJ:https://www.oann.com/nasa-climate-changes-due-to-shifts-in-solar-orbit-not-human-activity/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl

The Climate Inquisition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAUvO1mNwk

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/71/9b/d3719b56a9c61f4678c673c0fcbfa670.png)
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Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2019, 01:00:22 PM
NASA: Climate changes due to shifts in solar orbit, not human activity.

A nonsense click-and-bait article digging out an old NASA paper about Milankovitch cycles. The original paper (by Steve Graham, March 24, 2000) is here (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Milankovitch/milankovitch.php). Milankovitch cycles exist, and they are well covered in the 50,000 peer-reviewed articles about climate change. But they have nothing to do with the rapid increase of the CO2 concentration in the last 60 years. Their time scale is 100,000 years.

(http://www.jj2007.eu/images/CO2.png)
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Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2019, 02:32:04 PM
 :biggrin:

The world has been around much longer than 1880. As far as the rapid temperature/carbon/whatever rise, look at the younger dryas, makes this set of graphs look like childs play.
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Post by: AW on October 05, 2019, 02:58:58 PM
The Baseless Claim That Climate Scientists Are ‘Driven’ by Money
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/politics/climate-report-fact-check.html

In court, Big Oil rejected climate denial
https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=4082
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/q4var4ugaeqisop/1020.jpg?dl=1)

 :badgrin:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek7p5jlpwzsuuwz/Junk-Science.jpg?dl=1)







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Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
The risk with any of these claims is that they represent an interest of some type. Climate hysteria is generally a mainstream media driven frenzy and as each outrageous claim falls flat on its arse, they just produce another one. This is journalism, not science and it has been the case since it started in the early 1990s.

Climate change has been with us for about 4.5 million years and its nothing new, the effect you get with a mainstream media driven frenzy is to confuse historical climate change with human effected climate conditions and the need to subscribe to the carbon trading scheme which in turn gives control of world industry to the climate scammers.

Remember there is no instance of climate change that is sited as the current problem that has not already occurred in the past from recent past to long distant past. We have had this exadurated bullsh*t for a while now but reference to the past makes a nonsense of the claims. Improve your education, start watching the PBS EONS series on Youtube.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 05, 2019, 06:34:57 PM
NASA: Climate changes due to shifts in solar orbit, not human activity.

A nonsense click-and-bait article digging out an old NASA paper about Milankovitch cycles. The original paper (by Steve Graham, March 24, 2000) is here (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Milankovitch/milankovitch.php). Milankovitch cycles exist, and they are well covered in the 50,000 peer-reviewed articles about climate change. But they have nothing to do with the rapid increase of the CO2 concentration in the last 60 years. Their time scale is 100,000 years.

The point here is that the article link was quickly removed from the website of "One America News Network" without any explanation. It doesn't fit UN policies.

Page not found (404)
It seems we can’t find what you’re looking for.

The "Global average temperature deviation" trend in your global warming proggy are the homogenized raw temperature data sets.
Simply by checking newspaper articles ( historical research ) of the years before 1950,
all bulls**t about today's record high average and peak temperatures, extreme weather events, bush fires, arctic ice extent etc. can be thrown in the trash can.
Apparently changing our history is part of real science, or the properties of mercury have changed and the journalists were fraudsters.

If you still believe in Mann's hockey stick science (were he eliminated previous warmth periods), then you should read this article about the findings in receding glaciers:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/receding-swiss-glaciers-reveal-4000-year-old-forests-warmists-try-to-suppress-findings/

Climate science funding by governments:
Pro-alarmism -> most likely funded.
Anti-alarmism -> not funded and a fat chance ending up on their funding blacklist.

Global Warming: Follow the Money
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/02/global-warming-follow-money-henry-payne/
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Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2019, 07:11:30 PM
The point here is that the article link was quickly removed from the website of "One America News Network" without any explanation. It doesn't fit UN policies.

Google says One America News is an American right-wing pay television news channel - do you really believe they would remove an article on request of the UN? C'mon, be serious...

As far as the rapid temperature/carbon/whatever rise, look at the younger dryas, makes this set of graphs look like childs play.

The highest CO2 concentration during YD was 280ppm, and science is arguing about the impact of a 50ppm increase during that period. Yes, that's childs play compared to the 400 we have "achieved" by adding over 100ppm in less than a century.

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rising deglacial CO2 had a significant impact on Greenland temperature during the YD despite a decrease in the AMOC. About 70% of the approximately 5 °C of warming between the YD and OD is caused by the concurrent approximately 50 ppm increase in atmospheric CO2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3396542/)

A less technical explanation can be found on the site of an important agency (https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/The%20Younger%20Dryas) of a very, very conservative nation:
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About 14,500 years ago, Earth's climate began to shift from a cold glacial world to a warmer interglacial state. Partway through this transition, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere suddenly returned to near-glacial conditions. This near-glacial period is called the Younger Dryas...
but
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climate changes in Antarctica were out-of-phase with those in the Northern Hemisphere
... i.e. it was not a global phenomenon.

Really, I'm amazed that you and Marinus are such staunch followers of Big Oil. If I believed in conspiracy theories, ... :greensml:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 05, 2019, 07:19:40 PM
Really, I'm amazed that you and Marinus are such staunch followers of Big Oil. If I believed in conspiracy theories, ... :greensml:

I don't care of Big Oil, just common sense and the ability of critical and logical thinking.  :greensml:

Yes, the earth has become warmer since the late 1970's
Yes, man made CO2 is not the most significant driver of climate change.
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Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
I don't care of Big Oil, just common sense and the ability of critical and logical thinking

Sure, common sense! As an engineer who has worked several decades on environmental issues, I am proud that I understand 10% of an article like Younger Dryas cooling and the Greenland climate response to CO2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3396542/), so congrats that your common sense feeling is so much stronger than mine :thumbsup:

Obviously, my ability of critical and logical thinking tells me that these scientists publishing for the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) could all have been bought by Greenpeace and George Soros. Or was it Warren Buffett? Anyway, one of those communists, right?  :greensml:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 05, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Then explain why we should trust the repeatedly changing and failing scientific climate predictions and ignore the ongoing attempts to rewrite history.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2019, 08:06:09 PM
 :biggrin:

> Really, I'm amazed that you and Marinus are such staunch followers of Big Oil. If I believed in conspiracy theories

This shows a lack of grasp of what works and what does not. Getting money out of big oil would be like wringing blood out of a stone where getting PHUN - DING out of the global banking scam is reasonably straight forward if you kiss their arse hard enough and sing for your supper.  :tongue:
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Post by: TimoVJL on October 05, 2019, 09:57:14 PM
Whats wrong in this picture ?
What they forgot ?

EDIT:
MM03.pdf (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/MM03.pdf)
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Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2019, 10:41:52 PM
Whats wrong in this picture ?

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the analysis by McIntyre and McKitrick was botched and showed numerous statistical errors including selective removal of records to invent 15th century warming
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Post by: caballero on October 06, 2019, 12:17:36 AM
[...] blah, blah, blah
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Post by: AW on October 06, 2019, 01:33:29 AM
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Curiously, the same ones that defend Greta's postulates defend three opposing things:
Points 1 and 3 are the usual attempts to associate the action against Anthropogenic Climate Change with socialism/communism.
Point 2 - The manufacture of Electric Cars will be as much green as the production process will allow, it is being improved all the time and is wrong that it produces more emissions. The battery may be charged from renewable energy sources. But what is more important is that it is a sturdy move away from the OPEP cartel and their friends. Electric Cars still have a long way to go and are currently facing the same critics combustion engine cars faced from horse diligence coaches in early 20th century. But it is not possible to stop the progress.

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On the other hand, Soros has a disturbing biography
Time for the ad hominem attack  :badgrin: - On the denial side we see all the saints and archangels on the science side all the sinners and devils.

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Finally we are at the doors of a new world recession.
The World was never going to stop while we replace sources of energy. This will take many years.
And innovation can only contribute to revamp the economy - remember some people here have been saying that scientists are being heavily rewarded because there are strong interests involved?





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Post by: AW on October 06, 2019, 01:56:09 AM
The global average atmospheric carbon dioxide in 2018 was 407.4 parts per million (ppm for short), with a range of uncertainty of plus or minus 0.1 ppm. Carbon dioxide levels today are higher than at any point in at least the past 800,000 years.
...
In fact, the last time the atmospheric CO2 amounts were this high was more than 3 million years ago, when temperature was 2°–3°C (3.6°–5.4°F) higher than during the pre-industrial era, and sea level was 15–25 meters (50–80 feet) higher than today.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

Source NOAA Climate.gov
NOAA stands for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA scientists study the skies and the oceans.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzsettjkyrremmv/paleo_CO2_2018_620.gif?dl=1)

There is no reason for panic  :badgrin:  :skrewy:
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Post by: caballero on October 06, 2019, 03:57:40 AM
blah, blah, blah...
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Post by: AW on October 06, 2019, 05:02:43 AM
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What are you talking about? It was not my intention to deepen this issue, nor is it my job to criticize. Here you are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MekIiTzQaaQ

All right, 14 y.o George Soros as done what anyone in his good mind (except Mother Teresa) would do in his place: save his ass, the alternative would be to become a dead hero!   :sad:

But there are many more billionaires, other than George Soros, sponsoring climate change activism. The issue here is that many of them "want" to continue making "more" money as well so are playing a double game. This happens, for instance, with the Rockfeller family, Bill and Melling Gates and even Warren Buffett.

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have ofended your religion

I am neither marxist nor religious. Sounds strange?
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Post by: hutch-- on October 06, 2019, 05:46:46 AM
 :biggrin:

There is a simple solution to climate change, buy carbon credits from some desperate 3rd world country then fire up the dirtiest, noisiest, filth producing industry spewing toxic chemicals into the air, plastics into the sea and filling the soil with toxic industrial waste the leeches out into the ground water for the next million years. Mercury in the water and you local fishing grounds anyone ?

The patsies who sacrifice convenience and pay extra costs for ordinary things like food will know that they have contributed to greening the planet with the extra costs they have had to shell out and they will never know that it is all a crock of chyte that sucked the money out of them for no long term gain. Don't tell the patsies that their garbage used to be exported to China who banned the import a couple of years ago and it more recently went to Indo China where those countries are now banning the same garbage being dumped on them.

Keep up the green - clean fantasy by shifting the debate to carbon dioxide and let the filth continue.
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Post by: HSE on October 08, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
I am proud that I understand 10% of an article like Younger Dryas cooling and the Greenland climate response to CO2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3396542/)

Perhaps only is necesary to understand 1%:
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Greenland climate has a muted response to increased atmospheric CO2, contrary to the enhanced impact of anthropogenic greenhouse gases on high-latitude climate predicted by all state-of-art climate models (6).

There is no measurable effect of CO2 in real world.

But some caution, is the forensic result in certain place, under conditions mostly unknown.
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Post by: jj2007 on October 08, 2019, 10:34:42 PM
There is no measurable effect of CO2 in real world.

Wow, you are in contradiction to tens of thousands of climate scientists - you must feel really proud :thumbsup:

P.S.: It's CO2, not CO2
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Post by: hutch-- on October 08, 2019, 10:41:14 PM
Yes but he IS in agreement with the US, Russia, China, India and all of those other countries that don't want their economies crippled by a layer of foreign interference.
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Post by: HSE on October 08, 2019, 11:32:31 PM
P.S.: It's CO2, not CO2
:thumbsup: I noted something strange :biggrin: (In this days I'm writting a lot of R2)

Wow, you are in contradiction to tens of thousands of climate scientists - you must feel really proud :thumbsup:
It's what the paper say.

Because authors' explicit assumption is that anthropogenic CO2 is responsible of current warming, they can device a trick to foolish current method. Interesting speculation.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2019, 12:19:40 AM
 :biggrin:

Despite ferocious data mining, just as in Mann et al 1998, there is no Hockey Stick shape without the series in Mann’s CENSORED directory.

You can always tell a Mann, but you can’t tell him much – why tree ring data (and climatic conclusions from it) sucks.

(https://i2.wp.com/i.imgur.com/Ex12R8G.png)
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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
McIntyre is, of course, an incredibly credible source of science :mrgreen:

McIntyre against the rest of the World, a fascinating lecture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph)

He has his own Wiki entry: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McIntyre#Career)
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McIntyre & McKittrick's papers were cited by Senator Jim Inhofe and Representative Joe Barton to support their political criticisms of the MBH studies, and Representative Sherwood Boehlert (Rep) requested the US National Academy of Sciences to arrange an investigation. The outcome was the North Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Report), published in 2006, which endorsed the MBH studies with a few reservations. The principal component analysis method criticised by McIntyre & McKittrick had a small tendency to bias results so was not recommended, but it had little influence on the final reconstructions, and other methods produced similar results.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 09, 2019, 03:57:44 AM
 :biggrin:

You can always tell bullsh*t when they stop dealing with verifiable facts and start testimony swapping competitions. Something that would do the fake climate wowsers some good would be to watch the large number of PBS Eons videos on Youtube.
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Post by: TimoVJL on October 09, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
I like nice graphs :biggrin:
https://scilogs.spektrum.de/wblogs/gallery/16/PAGES-4.png
https://thinkprogress.org/most-comprehensive-paleoclimate-reconstruction-confirms-hockey-stick-e7ce8c3a2384/

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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Timo, what's wrong with your graphs? They all look like hockey sticks!

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There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal hot or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age.
But they identify some shorter intervals where extremely cold conditions coincide with major volcanic eruptions and / or solar minima
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Post by: HSE on October 09, 2019, 09:46:13 AM
I like nice graphs :biggrin:

The problem with meta-analysis is that requiere that every method and every measure have the same accuracy or precision (they are different things), whitch almost never is. Standarization is an ideal tool, a useful correccion for precision if accuracy is the same, or for accuracy if precision is the same. Anyway, it's not posible to correct bad measurement. If only one method is wrong then everything is wrong. In Biological Science is used when everything fail, and almost always is a lost of time  :shhh:.  (but scientist can show that if they don't find nothing, at least they try  :biggrin:)
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2019, 10:11:39 AM
Aha...., the famous PAGES 2k Consortium.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
I like nice graphs :biggrin:
https://scilogs.spektrum.de/wblogs/gallery/16/PAGES-4.png
https://thinkprogress.org/most-comprehensive-paleoclimate-reconstruction-confirms-hockey-stick-e7ce8c3a2384/

PAGES 2K "Hockey Stick" Graph Validation Exposed as Corrupt.
It took until late 2015 for the PAGES 2k authors to finally issue a corrigendum to their error-riddled global reconstruction graph released in 2013.

https://principia-scientific.org/pages-2k-hockey-stick-graph-validation-exposed-as-corrupt/

Dr. Steve McIntyre was acknowledged for “discovering” their “several errors”.

McIntyre is, of course, an incredibly credible source of science :mrgreen:

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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 10:56:11 AM
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

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Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website that promotes anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2019, 11:34:03 AM
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

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Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website that promotes anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change.

Of course there is no such thing as a biased fact-checker?

published online 21 April 2013; corrected after print 27 November 2015.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2566.pdf

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The authors thank D. Divine, S. McIntyre and K. Seftigen, who helped improve the Arctic temperature reconstruction by finding
errors in the data set.
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2019, 11:51:11 AM

Here is the data collection of 7 continents http://klimaatcyclus.nl/klimaat/pics/Pages-2k-Consortium-proxies-7-continents.jpg
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Post by: hutch-- on October 09, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
 :tongue:

> with major volcanic eruptions and / or solar minima

Where is the carbon dioxide ?
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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 05:34:10 PM
Here is the data collection of 7 continents http://klimaatcyclus.nl/klimaat/pics/Pages-2k-Consortium-proxies-7-continents.jpg
From the original source: (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236330093_Continental-scale_temperature_variability_during_the_past_two_millennia)
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Past global climate changes had strong regional expression. To elucidate their spatio-temporal pattern, we reconstructed past temperatures for seven continental-scale regions during the past one to two millennia. The most coherent feature in nearly all of the regional temperature reconstructions is a long-term cooling trend, which ended late in the nineteenth century. At multi-decadal to centennial scales, temperature variability shows distinctly different regional patterns, with more similarity within each hemisphere than between them. There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age

Now add the missing 19 years (why do they cut off at 2000, knowing that temperatures rose dramatically after that point?), and see what the graph looks like :mrgreen:
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Post by: hutch-- on October 09, 2019, 05:43:32 PM
 :biggrin:

> and see what the graph looks like

Mann's graph ?  :rofl:
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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 05:51:34 PM
Here's something to read for Marinus: https://klimaatverandering.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/de-twee-tijdperken-van-marcott/

(https://klimaatverandering.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/shakun_marcott_hadcrut4_a1b.png)
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Post by: hutch-- on October 09, 2019, 07:20:12 PM
This is the one that tells the story. There are so many younger dryas graphs that I just picked the easiest one to read. You will notice that at about 11500 years ago the massive global warming that was not in any way human originated.

(http://www.perceptions.couk.com/imgs/Easterbrook_GISP2-ice.gif)
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Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
This is the one that tells the story. There are so many younger dryas graphs that I just picked the easiest one to read. You will notice that at about 11500 years ago the massive global warming that was not in any way human originated.

So what? The Younger Dryas event is still a mystery, yes. But it has nothing to do with the recent (100 years) massive releases of CO2. Btw it would be nice to provide a link to your source ;-)

Willard Anthony Watts (born 1958) is an American blogger who runs Watts Up With That?, a popular climate change denial blog that opposes the scientific consensus on climate change. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger))

Besides, even if there was, for a brief period, a higher global temperature (and no serious source would confirm that), what counts is the CO2 concentration (note that the "present-day CO2 concentration" is old news - we are at 411 ppm in 2019):
(https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/CO2-chart-780-600x412.jpg)

P.S.: Last year [2016] marked the first time in several million years that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 passed 400 parts per million. (https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-the-world-passed-a-carbon-threshold-400ppm-and-why-it-matters). By 2050, we will reach 530ppm, and my kids will see over 800ppm in 2100.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 09, 2019, 08:39:50 PM
 :biggrin:

> So what? The Younger Dryas event is still a mystery, yes.

Mysteries are the contents of unreliable meat pies (mystery bags). The younger dryas is extremely well documented and its science, not climate science. For all the equestrian fertiliser being splashed around about how the claimed current warming speed is unique in recorded history, the younger dryas makes a fool of that claim, not only was the temperature drop massive and fast but at about 11,500 years ago the most radical global temperature rise occurred.

Nothing like the ugly facts to stick a pin in this balloon of bullsh*t.  :badgrin:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 10, 2019, 12:12:53 AM
Isn’t the really interesting part of climate science that near all the "proxies" are showing a cooling trend yet the "Temperature" data shows a warming?

Marcott, et al,
Grafting altered thermometer/satellite readings onto proxy data is just another variation of Mike Mann’s "hide the decline" Nature trick.
Like attaching an orangutan jaw to a human skull to make scientific headlines.  :biggrin:
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Post by: jj2007 on October 10, 2019, 01:13:09 AM
Isn’t the really interesting part of climate science that near all the "proxies" are showing a cooling trend yet the "Temperature" data shows a warming?

There has been globally a slight cooling for the last x-thousand years. Until mankind started burning the carbon that nature had stored in the soil in the last 250,000,000 years. Last year [2016] marked the first time in several million years that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 passed 400 parts per million. (https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-the-world-passed-a-carbon-threshold-400ppm-and-why-it-matters). By 2050, we will reach 530ppm, and my kids will see over 800ppm in 2100.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 10, 2019, 03:23:24 AM
Why is it that over the entire life of the planet, there has never been a runaway temperature effect ? We have seen snowball Earth, we have seen cyclical changes from hot to cold, we have seen natural events, (Siberian lava lakes etc ...) and truly massive volcanic eruptions in the past but the eco system always corrects these effects. Now while the northern hemisphere enjoys the warming due to orbital changes and frees up the Arctic Ocean so it can be navigated, there is no indication that this will lead to a runaway effect the the hysterical keep predicting.

The contrast with Venus that this nonsense is modelled after fails for a very obvious reason, with the data from the Russian probes to Venus, Venus has a surface temperature above the melting point of lead and massive atmospheric pressure due to the density of its combined gasses that make up its atmosphere at the surface.

This planet does not have the conditions necessary to duplicate the conditions on Venus as it has nothing like the atmospheric density of Venus. With the contrast of evidence versus the opinion of "climate scientists", I suggest that the evidence will always be the winner. Inventing "Climate Models" may be PHUN when you get paid for it but the evidence says otherwise.
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Post by: AW on October 10, 2019, 04:00:49 AM
Interesting that this thread is set to continue forever, so a little more food dated 9th October 2019, aka today:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/series/the-polluters

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Post by: HSE on October 10, 2019, 05:25:56 AM
Why The Guardian don't mention British Petroleum?

LATER: Sorry, it's the picture!
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Post by: hutch-- on October 13, 2019, 03:06:56 AM
Someone may like this.

Ice Age is Coming 1978 Science Facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq6fDa9JrzQ

Climate Science ?
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Post by: jj2007 on October 13, 2019, 04:37:10 AM
Ice Age is Coming 1978 Science Facts

Much before 1978, many scientists started studying the greenhouse effect. But it is correct that Earth was heading for a new ice age, due to the Milankovich cycles. And then came the industrial revolution...
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Post by: jj2007 on October 13, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
Btw the "global scam" that you suspect behind the IPCC is another one. Some people have been so lucky to be born in a desert on top of huge reserves of oil. And these people definitely don't want to give up their life style in favour of reduced oil consumption :cool:

Saudi king reported to be taking 506 tons of luggage, including two limos, on trip to Indonesia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/27/saudi-king-reported-to-be-taking-506-tons-of-luggage-including-two-limos-on-trip-to-indonesia/)

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Saudi royals are often known for traveling in grandiose style. Salman booked the entire Four Seasons hotel in Georgetown when he visited Washington in 2015. The hotel, one of the most luxurious in the area, has 222 rooms.

That same year, the king was criticized by some locals after his 1,000-person entourage forced the closure of a beach on the French Riviera for three days due to privacy and security concerns. The local mayor also complained to the French president that the Saudi group had poured concrete directly onto the sand in an unauthorized attempt to install an elevator.

A similarly large entourage is expected this week in Indonesia. The Jakarta Post reported that the Saudi group will total about 1,500 people, including 10 ministers, 25 princes and at least 100 security personnel.

There are good reasons why Big Oil sponsors "climate deniers" :greensml:
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Post by: hutch-- on October 14, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
I don't see the problem with big oil, all they have to do is buy carbon credits from some desperate 3rd world country and they can spew garbage into the environment knowing that they are green, clean and politically correct.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2019, 06:02:33 AM
-> There are good reasons why Big Oil sponsors "climate deniers" :greensml:

What does that mean? "climate deniers"
I haven't met one person that thinks or says there is no climate.
Or is it a spin referring to something else?
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Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2019, 08:41:01 AM
What does that mean? "climate deniers"
I haven't met one person that thinks or says there is no climate.

Oops, are you getting scientific now?  :greensml:

It's jargon - the short form of "climate change deniers". Even whatsupp (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/13/the-guardian-google-is-financing-climate-deniers/) uses the term:
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It is not just the left who have been turning up the heat on Google. Conservatives and climate skeptics have criticised Google
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Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2019, 08:53:26 AM
 :biggrin:

I always wondered why this terminology is used, it doesn't make sense.
Something that exists and then denying it, is not logical at all.
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Post by: HSE on October 14, 2019, 08:54:24 AM
It's jargon - the short form of "climate change deniers".

Perhaps short form of "exclusively anthropogenic driver climate change deniers"?
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Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Something that exists and then denying it, is not logical at all.

Well, whatsupp uses "climate skeptics" - they are in that corner :cool:

Perhaps short form of "exclusively anthropogenic driver climate change deniers"?

Did the IPCC ever claim that climate change was exclusively anthropogenic? If yes, can you provide a link? I am curious.
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Post by: HSE on October 14, 2019, 09:31:38 AM
Did the IPCC ever claim that climate change was exclusively anthropogenic? If yes, can you provide a link? I am curious.

IPCC never talk about deniers.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 14, 2019, 09:40:29 AM
Nah, its not climate deniers that are the problem, its the "Profits Of Doom" who have prophecied that the end of the world is nigh. If you don't support carbon trading, you are a climate denier and as the world only has a very limited time before the runaway greenhouse effect takes over, what you should do is sit naked in a cave blowing a joint while introspecting at your navel and contemplating suicide to save the planet.

Now it does not matter if the proponent (Al Gore) requires enough power from coal fired generators to run a town for his own property or the proponent is a disturbed 16 year old girl (Greta) sailing a billionaire's boat across the Atlantic, as long as the main stream media keep flogging the hysterical nonsense, the global banking scam is in with a chance.

Fortunately the BIG economies are not being fooled, they will never give control of their economies to a Eurocentric banking scam. Globalism is an economic disease that needs to be trashed before it does to the world what the IMF has done to emerging economies.
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Post by: HSE on October 14, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: hutch-- on October 14, 2019, 10:28:26 AM
Renewable Energy is a Scam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL6uB1z95gA
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Post by: AW on October 14, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
Renewable Energy is a Scam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL6uB1z95gA

I normally start by reading the comments, most were amazing but this one summarizes it all:
"Stopped watching when he said “Countries where we already ship our waste to such as AFRICA”...."

The video has lots and lots of wrong facts, but anyway, the guy defends nuclear, not coal and other fossil fuels. Nuclear may indeed be the future.
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Post by: hutch-- on October 14, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
The general idea was diversity of opinion when it comes to renewable energy. Being old enough to remember blackouts, the current choice is coal or nuclear (nookla if you are from Texas). It may one day but solar and wind are unreliable by themselves and need base load support to maintain continuity. Tesla style battery backup works well in the short term (minutes) to handle spikes in demand but battery technology is a long way from being able to handle long loads.
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Post by: sinsi on October 14, 2019, 07:06:05 PM
Tesla style battery backup works well in the short term (minutes) to handle spikes in demand but battery technology is a long way from being able to handle long loads.
The government here trialled solar panels plus batteries, my sister's house was one of the trials.
12 months later, she gets a quarterly electricity bill averaging -$300 (yep, a credit).
They have had three blackouts in that time, one lasting 4 hours, the battery took over - the first blackout (around a half hour) they didn't even know about.

One drawback - the toolshed out the back is mostly battery :badgrin:
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Post by: caballero on October 14, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
The energy of the future I do not think is nuclear (fision) because the sources of uranium are increasingly scarce and its extraction is very polluting.. The energy of the future should be nuclear fusion, not fission. The first is much more powerful and less polluting than the second, but years of research are still needed to apply it. Where are the resources for this investigation going? There are those who would say that there are many bills to pay.

In Spain, several years ago, it was decided to finance green energy with subsidies. Shortly thereafter it was found that the solar gardens were delivering electricity to the system overnight. That is, they were burning fossil fuels to generate electricity as if it were of solar origin because the subsidies were very juicy. In addition to this, huge amounts of money were invested in technology that quickly became obsolete. Solar technology improved dramatically after a short time.

Are we really prepared to face a drastic change to "green" energies? Where is our money going?

In any case, the greenest energy will always be to consume less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgVqTbCyZF4
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Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2019, 09:03:24 PM
The energy of the future should be nuclear fusion, not fission. The first is much more powerful and less polluting than the second, but years of research are still needed to apply it. Where are the resources for this investigation going? There are those who would say that there are many bills to pay.

Yes indeed, the bills we are paying for nuclear fusion research are incredibly high. But it is the future! It has been the future for about half a century now, and the distance to the commercially available fusion power plants has always been around 20...30 years. It's a global scam (just to stay on topic :greensml:)!

Conservatives’ ‘nuclear fusion by 2040’ pledge is wishful thinking
 (https://theconversation.com/conservatives-nuclear-fusion-by-2040-pledge-is-wishful-thinking-124404)September 30, 2019
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The UK’s governing Conservative Party has announced a new package of climate policies, including £220m for research into nuclear fusion reactors to provide clean energy “by 2040”.

(attention, the article is a bit biased because the author is a fusion researcher)
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Post by: caballero on October 14, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
Conservatives?

The video I put previously in the link is about an interview with Francisco Castejón, who talks about nuclear fusion energy. Curiously, this man is an anti-nuclear environmentalist from Podemos (the equivalent of Syriza in Spain). The PSOE sneaks an anti-nuclear ecologist from Podemos in the Nuclear Safety Council (https://www.abc.es/economia/abci-psoe-cuela-ecologista-antinuclear-podemos-consejo-seguridad-nuclear-201902151741_noticia.html). :rofl:
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Post by: caballero on October 17, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
Please, excuse me

DGT is the General Directorate of Traffic of Spain, an autonomous government agency under the Ministry of Interior, responsible for the implementation of the road policy on state-owned roads in Spain.

The general director of the DGT, Pere Navarro, has just given an amazing conference. Regarding the electric car:
"We made the mistake of selling a product that we did not have on the shelf, we have nowhere to plug it in and the price is very expensive. We are all wrong."

Of course, it seems that it is ecological because it does not emit gases, but of course, first you have to create electricity. Where? In nuclear power plants? It will also be necessary to accumulate electricity in a huge car battery that must produce an unhealthy electromagnetic field, apart from the rare metals needed to manufacture them, whose extraction is super polluting. Extrapolate this to mass consumption worldwide.

https://www.elmundo.es/motor/2019/10/15/5da5abbb21efa0cd798b4616.html


Well, it's spectacular, isn't it? "We were wrong," says the good man. But I suppose they continue with the process of changing the car park for the electric car.
Title: Communists!
Post by: jj2007 on November 14, 2019, 07:18:32 PM
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Australia’s climate has warmed by
just over 1 °C since 1910, leading to an
increase in the frequency of extreme
heat events
.

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/State-of-the-Climate-2018.pdf

Can't the government throw them in jail for producing fake news like that??? Same for the British Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/13/nsw-public-servants-at-climate-conference-told-not-to-discuss-link-with-bushfires) and certain public employees (23 former Fire and Emergency Leaders with more than 600 years of combined experience have banded together to call for stronger action on climate change (https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/emergency-leaders-climate-action/)) :badgrin:
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Post by: hutch-- on November 14, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
I wonder what this says about the 80 year long drought in South Australia before 1900 ? I am much more an ecologist rather than a climate hysteric. I would rather see the money spent fixing things that lining the pockets of the beautiful people. Plant many more trees, keep cleaning the crap out of the ocean food chain, stop dumping dangerous chemicals in water ways (mercury anyone), undertake sensible land reclamation etc ...

The hottest day I have experienced back in about 2000 was 45 degrees which just equalled the 1939 record for Sydney. OZ is subject to a range of weather cycles, El Nino, the wet season up north that alternates with the northern hemisphere monsoons, then it gets whacked in the winter by the Great Southern Ocean. OZ is much older than 1910, populated for over 50000 years through multiple hot and cold periods and with an ecology going back to when OZ was part of Gondwanaland. The sample is a drop in the bucket.
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Post by: hutch-- on November 14, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
Here are some links for you. OZ is a very different place to the current Eurocentric world view.

Australia - Eye of the Storm - La Nina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTYYrZ5K3g

Australia - Eye of the Storm - Southern Exposure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0oGN0RayMw

Australia - Eye of the Storm - El Nino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66vuDbbek4

Australia - Eye of the Storm - Monsoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ua27_IslNk
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Post by: HSE on November 17, 2019, 10:09:32 AM
True scientist talk, published yesterday. Both have studied theoretical physics. Sabine Hossenfelder work more in theory evaluation (close to the observational and experimental thing)  and Tim Palmer work in global weather forecasting (member of british academy of science).

       Did scientists get climate change wrong? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fkCo_trbT8)

(Like most serious discussions, not funny at all)
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Post by: jj2007 on November 17, 2019, 12:23:56 PM
That NYT article How Scientists Got Climate Change So Wrong (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opinion/sunday/science-climate-change.html) is a bit messy. I wonder if they got the part on the Younger Dryas wrong :rolleyes:
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Scattered evidence suggested that the post-ice age warming was interrupted by a sudden cooling that began around 12,000 years ago and ended abruptly 1,300 years later. The era was named the Younger Dryas for a plant that proliferated during that cold period
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Post by: HSE on November 17, 2019, 01:15:26 PM
That NYT article How Scientists Got Climate Change So Wrong (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opinion/sunday/science-climate-change.html) is a bit messy. I wonder if they got the part on the Younger Dryas wrong :rolleyes:

Yes, is wrong in general (a warming scammer we can say  :biggrin:). But call atention to subjects that perhaps deserve serious consideration. The conversation is some kind of preliminary evaluation of those points.
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Post by: Siekmanski on November 17, 2019, 06:31:00 PM

the movie,  Did scientists get climate change wrong?
A lot of words spoken just to say: we don’t have a clue at all....... we are just guessing.
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Post by: Siekmanski on November 17, 2019, 10:14:50 PM
For whom taking the New York Times article serious.....

How Scientists Got Climate Change So Wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ae0DHhbS3o
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Post by: hutch-- on November 17, 2019, 10:44:25 PM
That is a very good article, exposing the hysterical bullsh*t for what it is.
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Post by: Siekmanski on November 17, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
 :biggrin:

Also interesting is,
NASA's bogus claims about ice and their fake temperature graphs vs. the actual historical record of ice over the past 200 years.

Ice Doesn't Lie - NASA Climate Scientists Do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyJhgVbvVY
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Post by: Siekmanski on November 25, 2019, 07:22:08 AM
European Parliament Told: There is No Climate Emergency. One MEP became emotional and accused the organisers of ‘collective manslaughter’ on future generations.  :biggrin:

https://www.thegwpf.com/european-parliament-told-there-is-no-climate-emergency/
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Post by: jj2007 on November 25, 2019, 10:04:42 AM
European Parliament Told: There is No Climate Emergency.

The EP was told by whom that "there is no climate emergency"?

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The press conference was hosted by the European Conservatives and Reformists group in the European Parliament, who formally received the climate declaration from Professor Guus Berkhout.

Professor Berkhout represents the Climate Intelligence Foundation (Clintel), a Dutch group who have collected signatures from over 700 prominent scientists and professionals in support of the basic statement: there is no climate emergency.

Signatories include Nobel laureate, Professor Ivar Giaever, who made important experimental discoveries regarding superconductors, and the influential mathematician and physicist Professor Freeman Dyson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Conservatives_and_Reformists

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The group is considered centre-right to right-wing. The largest party in the group by number of MEPs is the Law and Justice (PiS) of Poland.

 :tongue:

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2007/ipcc/facts/
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Post by: K_F on November 26, 2019, 06:49:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SxNqttt5Qw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SxNqttt5Qw) :rofl: :rofl:

AND.... AND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xe3BWPsBTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xe3BWPsBTU)
 :skrewy: :badgrin: :biggrin: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: caballero on November 26, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
@jj
So, you insinuate that the global warming movement is politicized? I wonder what would happen if all the state subsidies on this issue, like others, suddenly disappeared and only had private contributions.
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Post by: jj2007 on November 26, 2019, 08:11:21 AM
@jj
So, you insinuate that the global warming movement is politicized? I wonder what would happen if all the state subsidies on this issue, like others, suddenly disappeared and only had private contributions.

Right, that would be interesting. No subsidies for nuclear "research", for example :azn:
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Post by: hutch-- on November 26, 2019, 10:43:36 AM
The last thing the hysterical want is a level playing field, they need all of the FUN-DING, outrageous levels of media propaganda and arse kissing politicians passing idiot fringe legislation just to keep the money machine going. It has nothing to do with "Saving The Planet" or ecological preservation and restoration, its about MONEY with the CARBON TRADING SCHEME.

All you need to do if you are a big dirty polluting manufacturer is set up a facility that spews pollution into the air, water ways and soil and then buy enough carbon credits from some desperate 3rd world source and you can pollute to your heart's content. Start processing uranium, extract rare earth minerals, do all of your industrial heating with the cheapest dirtiest coal and dump all of the tailings into the local water supply. Who cares if it kills the kids, they don't have enough money to buy the politicians who pass legislation to allow for carbon trading.
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Post by: Siekmanski on November 26, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
Those activist MEPS have no idea, they are blinded by their own propagandistic hysteria.
This ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SxNqttt5Qw ) was another example of not knowing and understanding what their IPCC reports say.
The Liberal Democrat MEP, Irina von Wiese, the patronizing way she talks to those people.....

They are the true deniers of the truth. ( she even admits she doesn't believe certain issues written in the IPCC report  :joking: )
And are really afraid for a scientific debate about the climate emergency hoax.

I want my children and grandchildren to have the opportunity, the money and the freedom to heat their homes when the cold weather returns.
With green policy this will be a big struggle if they steal a large part of our wealth and freedom.
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Post by: Siekmanski on December 05, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
For those who take no pleasure in understanding, do better skip this presentation at the GOP25. ( Madrid )  :skrewy:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZhcnRe3qd8

.... and ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9r1YFtQliE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxzqnZWYWkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIkA-dpiZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-vFIiWJKLs
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Post by: jj2007 on December 06, 2019, 01:28:54 AM
Monckton, seriously?  :greenclp:
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Post by: caballero on December 06, 2019, 05:21:08 AM
Everything that surrounds this summit is false, everything except the amount of money that different governments (our pockets) are going to spend, which will go mainly to certain very interested pockets.
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Post by: Siekmanski on December 06, 2019, 05:59:24 AM
Monckton, seriously?  :greenclp:

 :biggrin: Yes, but for a brief moment, I almost switched to Irina von Wiese after her speech to the Clintel gang. (NOT)

@caballero, they are in a real hurry to get our money because, many people now start getting aware, that they will be robbed for 6.000 euros per citizen in europe in the next decade.
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Post by: caballero on December 06, 2019, 06:44:21 AM
Well, I don't think it's the best time to squeeze the citizen more. I usually keep up to date on economic issues and everything looks pretty bad. Maybe that's why they are in so hurry. I think that Europe has become a plot of bureaucracy, of demagogue politicians who dance to the sound of who are in charge, in exchange of keeping their status of life well above their real possibilities, and I'm afraid that also includes the UK, though they claim they want to flee from Europe because of that.

While I must recognize that their propaganda is very powerful, they have managed to conquer certain demands that nobody can be against, for their own benefit, such as the fight against global warming.
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Post by: Siekmanski on December 06, 2019, 07:39:27 AM
No, we will not allow a debate and we do not support subtitles for non english speakers????

UN Climate Change channel (Comments are disabled and no subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOk3xE3Bqnw
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Post by: caballero on December 06, 2019, 08:47:39 AM
Well, I haven't been able to follow everything. Basically: "blah blah blah, we are very happy to be here, we need a lot of money for our project, a project that doesn't produce anything but we are going to need a lot of money and all of us here agree on it, blah blah , blah"
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Post by: AW on December 06, 2019, 09:31:04 AM
Heartland Institute financed by Big Oil is just doing their part. Nothing new here.
Title: Sydney in the news
Post by: jj2007 on December 08, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
Nature: Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0)

How's life down under? (https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&tbm=nws&q=sydney)

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Rain is a distant memory. “This is how deserts form,” she said. Her daughters, in their early 20s, decided some time ago not to have children.
...
Prime minister Morrison’s Instagram account carried grinning images of him – baseball cap in place - atop a ladder, draping his family home in twinkly Christmas lights. No matter what’s going on each year, says the PM of a burning nation, getting in the Christmas spirit has always been such an important part of our family life.
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Post by: hutch-- on December 08, 2019, 01:33:16 PM
We are getting orange sunsets due to the amount of smoke as areas close around Sydney where I live but that combined with cloud cover has kept the city temperatures down. Something that few would know is that Australian bushland is purified by fire. There have been wild fires in Australia for so long that many indigenous species can only reproduce in the conditions of bush fires.

Just below Sydney is the royal national park and while it is generally virgin bushland going out to the cliffs at the sea edge, every few years it gets burnt out and if you go past in a train its all black and smoking but go past 6 months later and it has returned to the olive green that Australian bushland looks like. Bush fire completely destroy non native species where the eucalypts regrow over a few months.

The real problem is ideological, with the disposition of a bunch of "hippies, poofters and greenies", various local councils insist that people must live in bushland areas which garrantees that their house will be burnt down with the next bushfire. While these phuking morons don't care about the losses of property and life which is part of their ideology, the NSW state government over a period of years cut back the parks and wildlife staff that used to perform the necessary back burning and when a big bushfire hits, the fuel load on the ground simply cannot be put out, it must burn out.
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Post by: K_F on December 09, 2019, 01:20:47 AM
We are getting orange sunsets due to the amount of smoke as areas close around Sydney where I live but that combined with cloud cover has kept the city temperatures down. Something that few would know is that Australian bushland is purified by fire. There have been wild fires in Australia for so long that many indigenous species can only reproduce in the conditions of bush fires.

Just below Sydney is the royal national park and while it is generally virgin bushland going out to the cliffs at the sea edge, every few years it gets burnt out and if you go past in a train its all black and smoking but go past 6 months later and it has returned to the olive green that Australian bushland looks like. Bush fire completely destroy non native species where the eucalypts regrow over a few months.

No man Hutch... don't explain 'Carbon 101' to the morons, it makes them look more stupid than what they are - They might be offended and cry like babies... again!
;)
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Post by: jj2007 on December 09, 2019, 01:24:08 AM
don't explain 'Carbon 101' to the morons

Who are these "morons", K_F? Members of this forum?
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Post by: caballero on December 12, 2019, 03:34:09 AM
There is a debate today here. It seems that someone has allowed to the singer Alejandro Sanz to climb on the COP25 rostrum to say that he will do his best to reduce his CO2 impact and asked world leaders to demand sacrifices from the citizens to reduce the impact on the environment ambient. It was said by a multimillionaire guy who travels in private jet, motorboats, high-end motorcycles, etc. Sacrifices that will benefit him and others like him.

The point seems to be that billionaires need to sign up for the winning wave as a brand image, to win more government contracts and grants. In short, to get even richer ... at the expense of the people below.
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Post by: hutch-- on December 12, 2019, 07:24:29 AM
 :biggrin:
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Post by: AW on December 12, 2019, 07:56:05 AM
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rm69k5fwm84uw8u/poweroftrue.png?dl=1) (https://time.com/person-of-the-year-2019-greta-thunberg/)

 :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp:
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Post by: mineiro on December 12, 2019, 08:35:18 AM
How dare you?
You have stolen my dreams.
by pirralha (brat)
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Post by: hutch-- on December 12, 2019, 08:43:07 AM
 :biggrin:

> Greta Thunberg: People underestimate 'angry kids'.

Wait until they find out they have been fed bullsh*t, then they WILL be angry.  :tongue:
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Post by: AW on December 13, 2019, 04:23:45 PM
As climate continues to change these things may take the World and capture our wives.  :sad:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/feufpiggvyfcmgm/penisfish.png?dl=1) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/12/penis-fish-fat-inkeeper-worms-california-beach)
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Post by: K_F on December 14, 2019, 06:36:13 AM
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rm69k5fwm84uw8u/poweroftrue.png?dl=1) (https://time.com/person-of-the-year-2019-greta-thunberg/)

 :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp:
Not wanting to hijack... but Time magazine has a history of F.ups
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1936/1101360413_400.jpg)

(http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601400101,00.html)

and there are two of Stalin  :rolleyes:

(http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601430104,00.html)