Today I went to Walmart to buy some liquid decongestant.
They were sold out on account of the corona virus panic.
Same with other medicines and toilet paper.
I wish more people would calm down and think logically.
I wish I had bought stock with companies who sell toilet paper. :-)
I am really enjoying the cheap gas prices.
Andy
Yes, the same has happened here. The other day I went shopping at the supermarket when I came home from work and found the entire supermarket empty, including paper. I do not leave my amazement. What do people want paper for?
I had the feeling of living a zombie apocalypse. Many times you see it in movies, but seeing it in person is surprising
- The Walking Dead -
I'm amazed with the developping of this situation. Being warned by the situation in China, no one has taken preventive measures. Knowing that the main problem is its high transmission, nobody used the army to avoid crowds in transport, shops, streets, etc. Mandatory use of masks and gloves, including protective glasses. Nah, they directly close universities, production centers, bars, restaurants, cities... I think politicians move on the basis of tending topics. Nowadays, people are scared by the possibility of taking the covid-19, so we kill flies with cannon shots. However, nobody is looking at the economic earthquake that we are generating, which will be much worse than the blissful covid-19.
The airlines, sports etc. will be hurt financially.
But consumers will spend that money on other things.
So it should balance out.
Against all infection, my father, always held ready spirit tincture on juniper, which is easy to replace by russian vodka. In case, of indisposition slightest signs, I'm from 8-year age, from his permission could drink 50 ml. of the tincture or vodka. For whole life this rule never failed me — infectious diseases wasn't !
By experience with flu, I've developed more effective steps, for prevent virus diseases :
1. Indisposition Signs — for gullet disinfection drink 50 ml. of vodka and having thrown back head stream it to nose.
2. Disease Signs — for blood clearing drink 250 ml. of vodka, using spirit as natural antibiotic. Be completely alcoholized — also variant, but possible side-effects, in form of delirium tremens.
3. Signs of presence centres of infection in possessions — wash up ware by boiled water, surfaces disinfect by chloric solution.
4. Signs of internal defeat — buy antibiotic of wide action for reception by 1-5 days, on plate with tablets which to drink regularly through 24 h. / quantity of tablets in plate, at regular intervals. Antibiotics — have the limited period of storage, so possible to hope for stocks in drugstores. Also druggist by symptoms, can choose most suitable.
5. Further, for conclusion viruses from lymph — wash in sauna or steam room. After it is possible return to normal life.
It's not just airplanes or sports. From tomorrow they can only open shopping malls and pharmacies. This means that bars, restaurants, cinemas, hairdressers, schools, etc. will remain closed and, therefore, these people who run these businesses do not have their income. Don't talk about tourism. Those who can telework can be relatively calm for now. Aid for these people has already been approved in some countries. You only have to see the stock market falls to get an idea. Instead home theater platforms are going up. :thumbsup:
The obsession with toilet paper seems an exclusively U.S. American issue :cool:
Only coronavirus COVID-19 thanks Italia for it's success of spreading :nie:
A normal soap is better than alcohol in low level to that virus, believe or not, but that virus hate soap somehow?
Quote from: Adamanteus on March 14, 2020, 04:47:55 AM
Against all infection, my father, always held ready spirit tincture on juniper, which is easy to replace by russian vodka. In case, of indisposition slightest signs, I'm from 8-year age, from his permission could drink 50 ml. of the tincture or vodka. For whole life this rule never failed me — infectious diseases wasn't !
By experience with flu, I've developed more effective steps, for prevent virus diseases :
1. Indisposition Signs — for gullet disinfection drink 50 ml. of vodka and having thrown back head stream it to nose.
2. Disease Signs — for blood clearing drink 250 ml. of vodka, using spirit as natural antibiotic. Be completely alcoholized — also variant, but possible side-effects, in form of delirium tremens.
3. Signs of presence centres of infection in possessions — wash up ware by boiled water, surfaces disinfect by chloric solution.
4. Signs of internal defeat — buy antibiotic of wide action for reception by 1-5 days, on plate with tablets which to drink regularly through 24 h. / quantity of tablets in plate, at regular intervals. Antibiotics — have the limited period of storage, so possible to hope for stocks in drugstores. Also druggist by symptoms, can choose most suitable.
5. Further, for conclusion viruses from lymph — wash in sauna or steam room. After it is possible return to normal life.
6. Cure hangover afterwards :skrewy:
Well I think you have good points
@ caballero, so after a long time without hairdressers, people will look like hippies? :)
Yeah, something like that, or nomads like in the stone age :toothy:
Quote from: TimoVJL on March 14, 2020, 08:01:39 AM
Only coronavirus COVID-19 thanks Italia for it's success of spreading :nie:
You are just nine days behind, Timo - ever heard of exponential growth? At a rate of 25% per day?
Prato: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prato#Chinese_immigration)
QuoteLocal authorities estimate the number of Chinese citizens living in Prato to be around 45,000, illegal immigrants included
QuoteA normal soap is better than alcohol in low level to that virus, believe or not, but that virus hate soap somehow?
Yes, all coronaviruses have a fatty outer shell that is very susceptible to soap.
> The obsession with toilet paper seems an exclusively U.S. American issue
Nah, the donkeys have done the same here. Lucky I bought a normal packet just before the morons stripped retailers of all of their toilet paper.
Family bought 12-year supply of toilet paper amid coronavirus scare (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/03/10/coronavirus-australia-family-buys-12-year-supply-toilet-paper/4985534002/) :mrgreen:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/everyone-needs-to-calm-down-chaotic-scenes-as-coronavirus-panic-buyers-swamp-supermarkets/news-story/d9e718c507d9e7df617fb1ebebfbc32d
What happened in Australia yesterday is what will happen here today. This is because they are 12 hours ahead in time.
As I said before the same happened here a few days before. The region of Madrid decreted the clousure of universities, institutes and kinder gardens. So, people get into panic and arrased the existences in supermarkets. Even the toilet paper.
The point is that there are no masks and gloves in the market here since a few weeks ago. There aren't. And the gov hasn't managed to resupplly them in the market, or they haven't wanted to because there is no point in so much ineffectiveness. This shows that the market is already short of certain products, which has logically caused hysteria in people.
https://www.elmundo.es/economia/2020/03/10/5e66d835fc6c83d03c8b4624.html
Today the state of alarm comes into force in Spain, which means that there will be confinement throughout the country. And also stops the entire production system that cannot work from home. Logically this will cause shortages and panic among buyers. If this continues, as it seems, there will be unemployment, people without money, with the same needs for food every day and, logically, there will be robberies in supermarkets.
https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2020/03/13/5e6b844e21efa0dd258b45a5.html
I think things are being done too badly, not only in Spain, it seems that everywhere.
How strange, if you type [what appears in the image below] in the forum, it appears "your link does not work IDIOT paper" :joking:
It happened to me with some other word I forgot. Seems like an anti spammer weapon.
Quote from: caballero on March 14, 2020, 06:52:49 PM
How strange, if you type
You can talk about "k* paper" without problem :biggrin:
We used to have problems with persistent spamming from a company in Indonesia who made cabinets for the room in the house where you prepare food. The most successful technique to get rid of them was to change the K word into something else that always broke their link. If you try out enough variation of the K word you will learn how to swear in Indonesian. :tongue:
trump is talking curfew and dow dropped 3000 today too like that movie "on the beach" a little feeling
Some people thought that this only affected the elite: athletes, etc. How childish. The whole economy is going to stop and it is going to affect, especially the most humble ones, of course.
It gives the impression that we are in a historic moment. We are going to see a worldwide reset of the economy and also of society. It seems that this virus attacks especially the oldest and the physically weakest.
Cerfew here in nj,and i talked to my sister in california there is a shelter in place order there in the sf bay area also my son is there and is om medical leave from his job at a collage and is working from home.
it is getting very serious in some ways.
The fundamental problem seems to be that it spreads very fast and collapses hospitals, so any person with this disease or any other who could survive with medical care could die from lack of room in the hospital. Due to this rapid contagion, the authorities have made the decision to isolate people.
The epidemic will subside but the measures put in place to combat it will linger for as long as governments can get away with it.
I agree
There is much good things happening as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-atlanta-toilet-paper-exchange-trnd/index.html
Quote from: hutch-- on March 18, 2020, 12:33:17 AM
The epidemic will subside but the measures put in place to combat it will linger for as long as governments can get away with it.
I do not leave my amazement. Things have been done so badly that rumors have started that they have been deliberately done wrong. Here the government has just said that it will use € 200,000,000,000 to fight against layoffs and the destruction of a multitude of companies, which is 20% of GDP. Most of public money and another part private. I just can't see where they are going to get that money from, being already 100% of GDP in debt and with companies that are also heavily in debt. Do they intend to expropriate the money from the individuals in our bank accounts?
Quote from: caballero on March 18, 2020, 03:37:57 AM
Quote from: hutch-- on March 18, 2020, 12:33:17 AM
The epidemic will subside but the measures put in place to combat it will linger for as long as governments can get away with it.
I do not leave my amazement. Things have been done so badly that rumors have started that they have been deliberately done wrong. Here the government has just said that it will use € 200,000,000,000 to fight against layoffs and the destruction of a multitude of companies, which is 20% of GDP. Most of public money and another part private. I just can't see where they are going to get that money from, being already 100% of GDP in debt and with companies that are also heavily in debt. Do they intend to expropriate the money from the individuals in our bank accounts?
Trump is also throwing billions away just to show he is doing something but obviously there are no results, just some spikes followed by a big dive.
If the economy is stopping to a halt due to virus panic throwing billions away in so-called stimuli will not revamp it.
The government had two options
- Stop collecting taxes in this situation and ensure money in people pocket
- Put the government in as an intermediary
- Maybe any other
They have chosen the communist option. With the detail that they have not explained where they are going to get so much money. Therefore, people may think that they are going to seize their money. Consequently, we may expect that everyone run to the bank to take out their money and provoke a playpen.
People are stupid. In our country only 2 (two) people died. And the stores are empty. The streets are empty. Panic. No less dies from heart or flu..
Just the media artificially fanned everything. This is the work of the freemasons (i mean).
Oh I coughed. Guess I'll hand over my freedom to the government! Seriously, Americans have become cowards..
it seems like the shit has hit the fan
Quote from: BugCatcher on March 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PMAmericans have become cowards
Sure :thumbsup:
Mortality rate is about 10% among men aged 70 and more (and almost everybody will be infected). Don't worry, be happy :bgrin:
i myself am 73 btw
It does not seem reasonable to underestimate this disease. I still do not know cases in my environment, but it seems that the hospitals are full. That is its strong point: its rapid contagion, which causes saturation in hospitals, which is very bad because anyone who needs hospital care can die due to lack of resources. In addition, its mortality rate in the elderly or with previous pathologies exceeds 10%, which equates it with the Spanish flu.
The best thing would have been to have closed borders, but this is associated with the right and here nobody wants to be associated with the right, so that idea was rejected by retrograde. It's already inside. And once that happens and it starts to expand it's hard to stop.
On top of that, when you isolate people, you stop the country's productive capacity. When we realize it, we will have destroyed the economy and most unemployed.
reminds me of poes "mask of the red death" very good read btw
https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Red_Death.pdf (https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Red_Death.pdf)
Another thing that strikes me is that it seems that everyone works with the hypothesis of the best assumption: that the problem lasts a short time. So they spend huge amounts of resources trying to prevent companies from closing or firing workers. However, from what I have read this disease is here to stay and an effective vaccine is not expected in several months. In addition, this RNA virus mutates like a flu, so the vaccine can be ineffective in a short time.
As I see it, politicians work short because they are used to it and so far it has worked. There are much more lethal diseases, but this covid I think has shown the shortcomings of a society that believed itself above all else, with its hospitals, nanotechnology, etc. and the stupidities of well-fed people with a lot of free time.
it has been suggested it may become seasonal like the flu
Quote from: anunitu on March 19, 2020, 04:39:29 AM
reminds me of poes "mask of the red death" very good read btw
https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Red_Death.pdf (https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Red_Death.pdf)
It remainds me to the next films:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7lnelq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24epaOdZko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5povsMKfT4
and the The Andromeda Strain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Andromeda_Strain
Quote from: caballero on March 19, 2020, 03:57:11 AM
On top of that, when you isolate people, you stop the country's productive capacity. When we realize it, we will have destroyed the economy and most unemployed.
You are right about the economy being wiped out.
Where I live in the U.S, bars, restaurants(except for take out) ,movie theaters, and churches are closed.
And a lot of other stores are closed too.
That's millions without jobs. People that are not working are also cutting way back on spending.
And the stimulus package Congress is working on.
Where's that money coming from?
This will be a great learning experience.
Andy
> Where's that money coming from?
From nowhere. They will print money as if there is no tomorrow. There are already hyperinflation experiences in this regard, for example in Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic). Although we have been doing this for years since the 2008 crisis and nothing seems to have changed. I think it is because all the big economic blocks do the same and, therefore, the ratio between productivity and produced money remains equivalent between all of them.
I don't know what will happen, but logically I think the economic problem is going to be greater than the blissful covid-19. Everything is being stoped with layoffs everywhere. Is the state going to be able to bear all of this? Who will produce? If there is no production, there will be scarcity and therefore robbery. This could work in the event that all this was fixed in a short time, but if the problem lasts for several months ...
No one has a plan B? What future will we leave for out children?
Another danger is the use of genetic vaccines, which are not very confiable. There are already places where laws are being passed to vaccinate people on a mandatory basis.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law
if you known,you should invest lot of shares in Food chain,because it says that its record-sales everyday
and programming students post their homework and projects online and share link to teacher,probably already done