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Title: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on April 25, 2020, 03:42:47 AM
Donald Trump is just an old chap.
Just talks bullshit., and lies all of the time.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on April 25, 2020, 05:53:56 AM
It seems that from time to time he embolden in his comments, maybe after being with Melania and some wines, who knows :mrgreen:. Too bad that it seems there is no one better. I still wonder why they gave Mr. Barack (https://www.nytimes.com/es/2016/05/18/espanol/el-inesperado-legado-de-obama-ocho-anos-de-guerra.html) the Nobel Peace Prize.

There is something that is going unnoticed in all this and it is the gentlemen who have brought us to this situation with such a high level of debt. What do we do now?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Adamanteus on April 25, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
 That's really interesting, what he mean when said about rays technologies for ill Covid-19, maybe that's simple solaruim apparatus, from tuning salun ?!
 Looks like, better ask about his doubts as minimum from his wife Melania  :skrewy:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on April 26, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
If he drains the swamp, who cares about his quirks (of which he has many).
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on May 20, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
If he drains the swamp, who cares about his quirks (of which he has many).

I think most of these "quirks" are smart psychology tricks to fool the Dems and provoking the corrupt media to get stupid reactions from them and thereby exposing themselves to the public.

Draining the swamp is now going on at full speed.
No time for coding this week, sitting at home with a big bowl of popcorn and enjoying the show.  :bgrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: LiaoMi on May 21, 2020, 05:17:43 AM
'I think we've done a great job'
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on September 12, 2020, 04:57:45 AM
Things are in this level
BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54120382)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 12, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
4 more years!  :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: morgot on September 12, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
Baiden is better? No way..
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 17, 2020, 07:50:22 AM
Donald Trump is just an old senile old chap.
Just talks bullshit., and lies all of the time.

Trump does what no one thought possible: 3 historic peace deals in 29 days.
Stops endless wars and will defeat the globalist agenda.

Not bad for "an old senile old chap."  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on September 17, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
One of the conditions of being a successful US President is a touch of senile decay, think of Ronny Raygun. The Dumberkratz seem to be frothing at the mouth with the crap they have been spewing for the last presidential term and while I have no real beef with Joe Biden, the problem is he comes with all the baggage of the deep state, the globalist agenda and all of the rest of the crap that American voters have tried to get rid of since Dubya's time.

I certainly hope Trump succeeds in draining the swamp, redirects the "out of control" military spending and starts rebuilding the US back into a viable country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on September 17, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
One of the conditions of being a successful US President is a touch of senile decay, think of Ronny Raygun. The Dumberkratz seem to be frothing at the mouth with the crap they have been spewing for the last presidential term and while I have no real beef with Joe Biden, the problem is he comes with all the baggage of the deep state, the globalist agenda and all of the rest of the crap that American voters have tried to get rid of since Dubya's time.

I certainly hope Trump succeeds in draining the swamp, redirects the "out of control" military spending and starts rebuilding the US back into a viable country.
I hoped too.
Old people are usually moderate and patient, but not in this case.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 17, 2020, 06:31:34 PM

Give me money and I would talk about that subject.
In France,Microsoft impose me there actualities with Donald.
What it is,Good advertise for a bad product.
I don't buy it!
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 17, 2020, 06:38:54 PM
Trump and his team is our last hope to free the world of the evil created by the deep state globalists.
The best world leader for the people we have seen in decades.
When he's done exposing those that kept us hostile for the last 50+ years, only then we can live in peace.
The people have to see it with their own eyes, only then we can beat them.
The deep state is in real panic, even funded riots, looting and arsoning [ west-coast wild fires ] will not help them.
The MSM deep state propaganda is not working anymore.
The people start to wake up and see in what evil and corrupt world we live.

It's all about the 2020 elections, they know they will never be in power again with 4 more years of Trump.

Title: Donald Trump and the exploding trees in Austria
Post by: jj2007 on September 17, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
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Calling in to Fox News on Tuesday, Trump said that “you look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.

In an article Thursday for the London-based Independent, Austria’s agriculture minister sought to set the record straight.

“There have been both serious and humorous conversations on social media about the `exploding trees’ (Trump) mentioned, as well as the fact that he claimed we live within `forest cities’ which never catch fire,” Elisabeth Koestinger wrote. “As Austrians, fortunately blessed with a healthy sense of humour, we normally take such cliches about our country in our stride.”

The deep state is in real panic
Absolutely :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on September 17, 2020, 10:43:19 PM
Trump's reelection is just a necessary condition, which doesn't imply success over the deep state, just maybe leveling things off somewhat.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on September 18, 2020, 01:09:48 AM
Funny that candidate Trump who raised roughly a Billion dollars for his election campaign against Ms Clinton from generous donors is not considered "deep state" :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on September 18, 2020, 01:14:20 AM
My only complaint with Trump is the endless sabre rattling with China and the last thing the world needs is a conflict between two military super powers, especially as it is in my backyard as well. I don't for a moment see any of them as good guys even if each super power says THEY are the good guys, with emerging powers like India as well as China and Russia, the world balance of power is changing and some of those folks in the US government need to see that they no longer dictate the terms to the rest of the world.

I am much of the view that the US should stop pouring endless money into out of date military junk and start spending it IN the US so the bridges don't fall down, the roads get maintained, people have jobs and businesses (not corporations) survive and run at a profit. Supporting "main street" in the US will yield a good result where the support for Wall Street has dragged the US into crisis and with the continuing decline of support for the US dollar as the sanctions regime rages away, when the crash comes, it will be a bad one.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 18, 2020, 02:45:01 AM
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My only complaint..
Just one ?,US must be a little village without informations.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on September 18, 2020, 03:42:54 AM
Deep state is the one that burns the streets to influence elections for their benefit, the one that establishes power lobbies to seize public money and establish power quotas in companies and submit the people to allow them to lead. People who stay home working are not in the deep state.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 18, 2020, 04:34:11 AM
The good one,He lives in this world not elsewhere:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/joe-biden-crashes-brexit-law-22697063 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/joe-biden-crashes-brexit-law-22697063)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 18, 2020, 07:00:05 AM
Trump demolishes the deep state covid-19 agenda.
As soon as the FDA approves the Pfizer corona-19 vaccines, they will be ready in october for the elderly people.
Lockdowns and fear mongering is no longer a weapon of the deep state.  :eusa_dance:

This should be breaking news all over the world, but it isn't.....
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on September 18, 2020, 12:16:20 PM
There will always be a new scam from the global elite, we has child porn, then terrorism, then poor Greta and of late the great global pandemic that while its no fun for the elderly, it too has been blown out of proportion to implement the "police state" around the world and sad to say one state in OZ has gone mad with its draconian lockdown to cover the arse of a failed policy by its premier.

Early in the piece when it was just starting up, the state government in Victoria did the security on the cheap for quarantine around hotels where one guy porked one of the ladies locked down in the hotel then went to his other job and shared around his infection. Its like a comedy of errors but after it exploded in his face, he set up a ridiculous regime of enforcement and isolation when the real problem has always been aged care facilities. Duh Fuhrer would have been proud of him.

We live in a world run by morons and crooks.

PS: A baby chucking a wobbly while having its napkin changed is now a child pornographic violent terrorist.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 18, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
Disgusting to see the videos how the people are treated by the police [corona gestapo] all over the world.
It's Nazi Germany all over again, they run the same Play-Book as in 1933.

Health science is a state-secret in our country, they will not release any corona research results and/or explain where the numbers come from, all court cases to get them are lost.
Corrupt justice.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on September 18, 2020, 09:37:57 PM
Health science is a state-secret in our country, they will not release any corona research results and/or explain where the numbers come from, all court cases to get them are lost.
Corrupt justice.
In Brazil, the Judiciary took preventive actions on the coronavirus from the president's hands and transferred it to governors and mayors.
If someone broke their leg or had a headache, they classified it as covid because the states would receive more money from the federal executive.
One example, in the State of São Paulo, they bought respirators for five times the price, the breach of corruption. In the state where I live we buy respirators for half the price and renovate all that were broken.
I remember times ago we talked about (hydroxy) chloroquine. The president of Brazil took covid and because it was an early stage, he was treated using chloroquine. At the time, I remember well, it was treated as fake news; but now that WHO and China have adopted the use, fake news reporting has stopped.

The current judiciary in Brazil is pathetic. Ministers were placed by previous governments, they do not meet the population's desire, only their own interests. Ministers of justice judge, create laws, are victims if the population asks or criticizes them, and has them arrested. Harmonic independence of powers. Now the wave is 1984, Ministry of Truth, censure who is against them.

Like Trump or not, but he is one of the last bastions in this world, just like Israel that has always been reported to be evil, the villain in history.
"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'"
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on September 18, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
The president of Brazil took covid and because it was an early stage, he was treated using chloroquine. At the time, I remember well, it was treated as fake news; but now that WHO and China have adopted the use, fake news reporting has stopped.

Fake news, the WHO has not adopted hydroxychloroquine: ABS-CBN News, posted at Sep 18 2020 (https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/18/20/doh-says-malaria-medicine-hydroxychloroquine-not-recommende-d-for-covid19-coronavirus-patients-treatment)
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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, as well as lopinavir-ritonavir, were among the investigational drugs included in the World Health Organization’s Solidarity Trial for COVID-19 treatment. However, they were removed from the trial after tests showed that they did now show positive effects for COVID-19 patients.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on September 19, 2020, 12:30:10 AM
The shamelessness with which politicians steal is impressive. Something similar happens here. Spanish companies offer the government masks, latex gloves, respirators, etc. at a reasonable price, however the government buys it from China through intermediaries whose previous dedication to the covid had absolutely nothing to do with health, in many cases semi-ruined , but with relationships with the top government, for a much higher price. Any ill-wisher would say that the difference stays in the pocket of a few.

Regarding the confidential information of the covid, the same. Although in this case I wonder if they have any information. They haven't even allowed autopsies.

Here is a sum of ineptitude, malfeasance, greed and autocracy.

We still gain  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on September 19, 2020, 02:29:25 AM
My fault, I am so ashamed.
I will report the fake news from the respective sites listed below to the authorities:

https://br.reuters.com/article/idBRKBN24B2JC-OBRWD
WHO (Mike Ryan) says hydroxychloroquine should only be used for Covid-19 under strict medical supervision
10-July-2020 - 2 months ago.

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/policy/who-warns-against-using-hydroxychloroquine-outside-clinical-trials/75858675
"Responding to question on hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine being used to treat COVID-19 patients in certain countries, Dr Michael Ryan, executive director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, told a press conference on Wednesday that, despite that both drugs are already licensed for many diseases, at this stage, they "have been as yet found to be effective in the treatment of COVID-19 or in the prophylaxis against coming down with the disease", Xinhua reported."

Let's check yours:
Fake news, the WHO has not adopted hydroxychloroquine: ABS-CBN News, posted at Sep 18 2020 (https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/18/20/doh-says-malaria-medicine-hydroxychloroquine-not-recommende-d-for-covid19-coronavirus-patients-treatment)
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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, as well as lopinavir-ritonavir, were among the investigational drugs included in the World Health Organization’s Solidarity Trial for COVID-19 treatment. However, they were removed from the trial after tests showed that they did now show positive effects for COVID-19 patients.

WHO - Here is the source !!!
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/virtual-press-conference---17-june---covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=548bb249_2
"TJMany thanks. I have received a couple of texts from journalists who just want to clarify with Ana Maria about hydroxychloroquine. Dr Henao.AMHYes, thank you, Tarik. I'll try for a third time. The internal evidence from the Solidarity Discovery trial, the external evidence from the Recovery trial and the combined evidence from these large randomised trails, brought together suggest that hydroxychloroquine, when compared with the standard of care in the treatment of hospitalised COVID patients does not result in the reduction of the mortality of those patients.
00:50:49 Based on this analysis and on the review of the published evidence the executive group of the Solidarity/Recovery trial has met on two occasions and today we met with all the Pis. After deliberation they had concluded that the hydroxychloroquine arm will be stopped from the Solidarity trial.But I want to emphasise that this does not constitute a WHO policy, that this is not a WHO policy recommendation, this is the results from trials and that this does not apply to the use or the evaluation of hydroxychloroquine as post-exposure prophylaxis inpatients exposed to COVID. That's a different thing and what we are doing on the COOID-109 trial on randomisation for COVID patients but does not apply outside that and it doesn't constitute WHO policy."

Who checks the facts about what is truth or lie? Who checks the checkers?
You, to me, is your own problem.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on September 19, 2020, 03:32:26 AM
China benefits of stupid peoples, like a US president ?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on September 19, 2020, 03:57:26 AM
hydroxychloroquine ... does not result in the reduction of the mortality
...
After deliberation they had concluded that the hydroxychloroquine arm will be stopped from the Solidarity trial.

It looks pretty clear to me :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 19, 2020, 05:26:16 AM
Hydroxycloroquine has less side effects as paracetamol.
In the latest covid medical trials they used overdoses of Hydroxycloroquine without Zinc.
There is a law suit in my country against a hospital doctor that used 3200 mg Hydroxycloroquine without Zinc for the covid patients.

Hydroxychloroquine is a safe medicine for malaria and on the safe list for many decades.
Look at the countries where malaria is common and where Hydroxycloroquine is used, 50% less covid deaths!!!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on September 19, 2020, 05:27:10 AM
This other candidate is much better  :thumbsup:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1236697203470671872


In Madrid they have just returned to confine us by neighborhoods. It should be borne in mind that Madrid is run by the center right and the left is looking for it with great interest. Madrid airport is the busiest in Spain, run by the central social-communist state. I wonder if it is a coincidence that no type of check-up was carried out on the travelers who came by plane or it was intended to infect Madrid so that the central government would come to "rescue us".
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 19, 2020, 05:45:43 AM
China benefits of stupid peoples, like a US president ?

You mean Obama, right?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on September 19, 2020, 06:21:36 AM
Apart from QAnon, Breitbart, Fox and Sinclair, what are your sources of information?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 19, 2020, 07:39:22 AM
Vogue magazine.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 19, 2020, 08:52:32 PM
Dr. Claus Köhnlein über "fatale Corona-Experimente" der WHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JcVglSdQ-c
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 19, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
donald effect:
https://covid19statistics.org/ (https://covid19statistics.org/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on September 20, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
I am still a supporter of Alfred E. Neuman.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on September 20, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
donald effect:
https://covid19statistics.org/ (https://covid19statistics.org/)

Nice graph :thumbsup:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (click to sort by deaths/Million)
The Times (https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=ita&areas=swe&areas=bel&areas=deu&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 20, 2020, 06:11:36 PM

There is also a declaration who hurt me a little:
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the white house has become an adult daycare
The senator Bob Corker is not the less serious of the republican,he must be a president of something
Full articcle here
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-house-adult-day-care-republican-senator-trump-twitter-1.4346107 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-house-adult-day-care-republican-senator-trump-twitter-1.4346107)

In this article,we can see also
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In an interview Sunday with the New York Times, Corker said Trump could set the U.S. "on the path to World War III" with threats toward other countries. Corker also said Trump acted as if he were on his old reality-TV show and that concerned the senator, adding: "He would have to concern anyone who cares about our nation."

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on September 20, 2020, 06:32:31 PM
 :biggrin:
The reality is that Trump makes peace deal after peace deal, stopping the endless wars and gets the soldiers home.
The first president in a long time that didn't start a war.

And Trump has been nominated twice for the Nobel Peace Prize  :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on September 20, 2020, 06:50:04 PM

Retire soldiers from where they are useful is not make peace,it's the invert.
We don't live at Disney World,let's donald go here.
Here an recent article (in french) who speak of the iran and of the US who think to impose ONU sanctions by themself.
https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/other/iran-washington-d%C3%A9fie-le-reste-du-monde-en-proclamant-le-retour-des-sanctions-de-l-onu/ar-BB19dqkR?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/other/iran-washington-d%C3%A9fie-le-reste-du-monde-en-proclamant-le-retour-des-sanctions-de-l-onu/ar-BB19dqkR?ocid=msedgdhp)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 02, 2020, 07:00:17 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/01/trump-defends-armed-rightwing-gangs-proud-boys-fascism
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 02, 2020, 12:05:54 PM
I don't know if I would want to take sides in the current US race wars, right wing loonies versus left wing loonies is a basis for a coming civil war and it does not look happy. There is good reason for reform when it comes to how American black people have been treated since the US civil war but that does not translate to the current BLM riots that are wrecking the US at the moment.

It has all of the appearance of a media led attack on the structure of American society and while I am no fan of what so many police forces do around the world, disbanding police forces means a return to the jungle and with the residual level of firearms in the US, this means a return to the wild west.

American political parties are at least as bad as those around the world, DumberKratz versus Republicrooks, I personally like Joe Biden but he comes in with the whole host of Clintonesque horrors with the Democrats, a looming war with Russia or Iran or China or whoever else and an economy on its knees.

If Donald drains the swamp, he will be the first American president in a hundred years that did something for the American people, anything to avoid a return of the Clintons.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 02, 2020, 03:35:22 PM
If Donald drains the swamp

Sure :thumbsup:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/camilomaldonado/2019/10/10/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less-taxes-than-the-working-class-in-2018/
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 02, 2020, 07:55:37 PM
Pros and cons.
Biden said he was helping Brazil with $ 20 billion to protect the Amazon rainforest. Then he said that if the target is not met, it will impose economic sanctions on Brazil.
First; the forest is from Brazil. Second, 20 billion is worthless for what the forest offers.
The current Brazilian government (right wing) has tightened relations with the USA, previous governments (left wing) have moved away from the USA. And today, in very good relations between both governments, we receive economic sanctions from a Democrat as campaign promise.
We know that several nations in the world look at the Amazon as if they were theirs, the colonialist look.
I would like to have heard how you are going to solve the current social issue, unify people instead of pushing them away.

Divide to conquer.
"Good times create weak men and weak men create difficult times, but difficult times create strong men and strong men create good times."
Eastern proverb.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 02, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
We know that several nations in the world look at the Amazon as if they were theirs, the colonialist look.

Bulls*t. None of these nations wants to burn it down or grab the wood. The rainforest is the most precious single resource that this planet has to defend, and for what he's doing there, Bolsonaro is a criminal who should end up at the Den Haag court.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 03, 2020, 03:50:54 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/oct/02/donald-trump-tests-positive-coronavirus-covid-mike-pence-joe-biden-us-politics-live-latest-news
The hydrochloride didn't help.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 03, 2020, 04:41:12 AM
As I see, there are two ways of life:
  - Working for make our own life as a citizen with more or less money. The state is only a steward of our common interests.
  - Yielding our sovereignty to the state waiting for it to provide us. Curiously, this format does not usually accept that there is someone with more money, so it tends to be expansive.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 04, 2020, 05:38:23 AM
I have some sympathy for the people in Brasil, while most don't want to see the Amazon forests destroyed, the comment about how it should be protected makes no allowance for how most of those countries built their own economy over hundreds of years.

It is effectively saying, it was OK for us to deforest our own land, burn complete forests for charcoal, dig massive holes in the ground for minerals and spew pollution into the air and sea so we could have a more powerful economy but Brasil can't do it as WE need it to compensate what WE have done over hundreds of years.

I hope Brasil can find a way to retain the Amazon rain forest but the self serving moralising bullsh*t coming out of the tree hugging morons is not in itself a reason for Brasil to stop its industrial development.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 05, 2020, 03:13:55 AM
A simple introduction about Amazon forest.
The Amazon region holds large stocks of iron, manganese, aluminum, copper, zinc, nickel, chromium, titanium, phosphate, gold, silver, platinum, palladium, rhodium, tin, tungsten, niobium, tantalum, zirconium, rare earths , uranium and diamond.
20% of drinking water in the world is in the Amazon.
The forest is close to the Equator; so that launching satellites would use 30% less fuel.

Mixing 100 grams of niobium with 1 ton of steel the end result is something more malleable and resistant, withstanding higher temperature. Practically without niobium, machines are not sent into space.
Back in the day, when Carnegie went from iron to steel at full steam and became the richest man in the world selling to JP Morgan and overtaking Rockfeller. I say only for reflection.
Japanese in the past came to the forest and took samples of the biome with them. They patented a certain plant that only existed in the forest. When we discovered that such a plant is good to cure some human diseases, we could not manufacture it due to having to pay patents.

Trump is doing a good diplomatic job. Instead of wishing to impose sanctions, he studies greater ties. American citizens do not need a passport to live in Brazil today; "fault" of the Bolsonaro government.
Another theme; graphene. Brazil holds a large reserve of graphite. About 50% of patents are Chinese. Create malleable cell phones that adapt to the body, like a second skin.

I think not only of my country, but of the neighbors, they will prosper with us. The forest is not only in Brazil, but also in Colombia, Bolivia, ..., reaching French Guiana (which will not be internationalized).

We can lift the Brazilian population out of poverty, extolling prosperity. We can create a Europe in Latin America. This obviously bothers the world's richest, globalists. I did not like to hear Elon Musk saying: "We are going to hit anyone we want"; when referring to minerals in a neighboring country.

It's not about wood, Indians, global warming, ..., only children believe that. It's about politics and economics.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2020, 03:45:12 AM
It's about politics and economics.

It's mainly about biodiversity, but I know that's really difficult to understand :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 05, 2020, 04:41:30 AM
It's mainly about biodiversity, but I know that's really difficult to understand :cool:

Quote from: Bertrand Russell
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 05, 2020, 05:11:38 AM
biodiversity or evolution.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: BugCatcher on October 05, 2020, 05:51:31 AM
Don't forget the most important thing the democrates of the US crave and that's poppies. Ask Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 05, 2020, 07:31:28 AM
biodiversity or evolution.  :biggrin:

Hmmm... evolution. A somewhat slow process :cool:

It Took 10 Million Years for Biodiversity to Recover From Dino-killing Impact (https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/it-took-10-million-years-for-biodiversity-to-recover-from-dino-killing-impact)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/03/stop-biodiversity-loss-or-we-could-face-our-own-extinction-warns-un
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: HSE on October 05, 2020, 07:53:18 AM
It Took 10 Million Years for Biodiversity to Recover From Dino-killing Impact (https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/it-took-10-million-years-for-biodiversity-to-recover-from-dino-killing-impact)
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For modern-day analogy of this kind of biodiversity loss, he turns to grasslands, bursting with and elk and deer and predators. “You could wipe all those out and just have cows,” Lowery says,
Really an ignorant. How we can believe the work of this "Mesias" is imparcial?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 05, 2020, 09:27:39 AM
I don't believe in Darwin's evolutionism. Biology was not considered a science before Darwin, just chemistry and physics. The other trend is creationism, someone created us. The idea that I believe is God created us; the modern idea is that extraterrestrials created us.

I am following a series of world conflicts; India and China, Taiwan arming themselves, Japan spending a significant amount of its GDP on armaments.
Some time ago it was Greece and Turkey; the Greeks buying Raffales from France.
Uprisings in Ukraine.
Currently Arzebaijan and Armenia.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: HSE on October 05, 2020, 10:19:05 AM
Biology was not considered a science before Darwin, just chemistry and physics.
Experimental design was developed around 1920, then there was not true science previously. And I don't know what Darwin have to do with that.  But knowledge evolve far before to existence of science. Biology writing references came from the greeks 500 BC.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 05, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
Evolution is very slow and painful, that's true. The age of the universe is nearly 13.8 billion years.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 05, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
And I don't know what Darwin have to do with that.
Before Darwin a biologist could only open bodies to be studied with permission from religion or government. After Darwin, religion lost its value in this regard.
Thinking in 1920 is a Western thought, it can cause a distortion, an example is the nominalist versus realistic theory.
William de Ockan, the universality of empiricism as a criterion of truth. We are inserted in this context. Today, to have science it is necessary to measure everything, to be empirical in relation to nature. If a scientist cannot measure something, he will not be considered a scientist. In the past, philosophers imagined the atom and it has been proven recently. Philosophers did not prove the existence of the atom, they just deduced it. If it were today they would be discarded.
It would be like a programmer who designs a program and thinks he has inserted all possible variables relevant to thinking. Another, looks from the outside and does like Descartes: Universal Doubts. I'm putting everything in doubt, I question everything. But the flaw is that these doubts are anchored in a multitude of past facts, previous knowledge, implicit certainties that are not perceived. The difference between what we live and what we theorize. This deepens and becomes invisible as time goes by, harmless.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 05, 2020, 11:32:35 PM
Occam was an interesting scholar, late in the schoolmen era, he produced a view that the world was determined by observation and empirical data where the truth of religious views was subject to a different form of proof. Dun's school went out of fashion and Aquinas was the institution of historical Catholic theology.

The value of Occam was the production of a synthesis between historical Catholic theological thinking and an empirically verified world and that made him the most influential of the schoolmen.

PS: I did a term in philosophy on the Catholic schoolmen at UNI.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 06, 2020, 12:09:15 AM
Darwin was a jesuite .
He had show us than this world had not been created in a few days and that all things follow the law of evolution.
Evolution for animals is very slow and it is not the case for our society.
Human society evolution need knowledge to be understood.
This mean than you can't judge a society at the instant but only in the time of a human life.
In this time ,you need to know what is changed during this time life.
It isn't a little work,and know it's a defi because the evolution is mondial.
knowledge of the mondial and local evolution is fondamental in politic.
US president seem to think that only the brute force can govern this world,error,1945 is now out.
Evolution had made his work.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 06, 2020, 02:36:02 AM
Speaking about Trump the brute, will he be discharged today?

Will this end the Crimes against Humanity [Corona hoax] soon?

I think so: https://youtu.be/32YIWS2UGZI

Bad news for Bill Gates who wants to depopulate the world but, wants to cure you with his vaccine....    :bgrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 06, 2020, 05:22:54 AM
and Aquinas was the institution of historical Catholic theology.
I need to study more Saint Thomas; I have shallow, meager knowledge about him. I realize that he unified a thought that today diverges; faith and reason.
Saint Thomas is on my to-do list.

Darwin was a jesuite .
Macron is catholic, I'm catholic. He wants to internationalize something that is not his. So, I can be Robespierre. Trump is a believer I suppose, don't know if this is exact name (Lutero, Calvino, ...).

and that all things follow the law of evolution.
Nah, try to talk with dino2007 and you will have absolute sure that Darwin is wrong.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 06, 2020, 06:04:31 AM
This is an interesting topic.

Curiosity is in human nature, it is what moves us to investigate and prosper, but the scientific method is to question, it is not convenient to take anything for granted.

I am quite struck by how people confuse hypotheses with proven facts. The theory of evolution is just a theory, that the universe is I don't know how many millions of years old is also a theory.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 06, 2020, 06:20:05 AM
Just a theory, like Einstein's stuff (on which the Hiroshima bomb was based - so the war in Japan was ended by a theory) :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 06, 2020, 06:20:34 AM
Hi caballero,

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that the universe is I don't know how many millions of years old is also a theory.

So, how old is the universe?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: HSE on October 06, 2020, 07:00:39 AM
I am quite struck by how people confuse hypotheses with proven facts. The theory of evolution is just a theory, that the universe is I don't know how many millions of years old is also a theory.
:thumbsup: Perfect Caballero.

Now you have to go farther, and to discriminate theories supported by evidence from those with poor or no support.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 06, 2020, 07:24:52 AM
Perhaps I find it a bit uncomfortable to defend the obvious: they are theories, otherwise they would be called laws.

> So, how old is the universe?
This question is visually extraordinarily complex, isn't it? Any answer can only be a theory. Obviously each theory is backed by scientific studies. When I hear a phrase on TV like "five hundred billion years ago ..." I can't help but look away. It's fine as a theory, but nothing more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 06, 2020, 07:42:06 AM
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This question is visually extraordinarily complex, isn't it?

No, not that complicated.

I have other questions for you : There are some very old rocks on our planet. What's the age of those rocks? How do the scientist measure their age?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 06, 2020, 08:18:03 AM
> No, not that complicated
Well, it does seem that way to me, I'm glad you know the answer.

Carbon-14? Don't know.

Things many times are not so easy.

Gödel (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teoremas_de_incompletitud_de_G%C3%B6del) showed that the attempt to create a complete and coherent mathematical system was impossible. An illustrative example, the phrase: "I am a liar." The paradox arises when we try to show whether this proposition is true or false.

  - Suppose it is true, then I am a liar, but we start by assuming that it was a true statement and therefore cannot be a liar: it is an incongruity.
  - Suppose it is false, then I am not a liar, but we start by accepting that I am a liar, again we are faced with an incoherence. 


Heisenberg uncertainty principle (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaci%C3%B3n_de_indeterminaci%C3%B3n_de_Heisenberg)


The inaccuracy of philosophy (Hans Blumenberg?): Philosophy is not exact, it varies with society and time. This caused quite a stir at the time, but if we think about it a bit ... I'm not sure if its author is the one I indicate.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 06, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
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> No, not that complicated
Well, it does seem that way to me, I'm glad you know the answer.

It cannot be visually complicated as the question regarding the age of the universe can be answered with astophysics. The maths here has nothing do with visuals.

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Carbon-14? Don't know.

More precisly, it's about radioactive decay.

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Gödel showed that the attempt to create a complete and coherent mathematical system was impossible.

Very good. Since Gödel's incompleteness theorems are prohibiting us from creating complete and coherent mathematical systems, we cannot study the geology of old rocks, the formation of constellations  and nebulas, very slow chemical reactions in the universe etc leading us to some meaningful results. We cannot even talk about approximate values. Cosmology becomes kaputt.

Since the determination of the the age of very old rocks is based on the calculation of radioactive decay, the formula is :

(https://cdn1.byjus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/radioactive-decay1.png)

https://byjus.com/radioactive-decay-formula/

Heisenberg's equation :

(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/fa9d9f8633ac3a229161d96ae52aef18d80a6a80)

So, what's the mathematical connection of Heisenberg's formula with the radioactive decay?  This equation does not stop us from calculating the age of the universe.
It will not even stop you from getting the result of your blood analysis.

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Philosophy is not exact, it varies with society and time. This caused quite a stir at the time, but if we think about it a bit.

Determining the age of the universe is about physics and mathematics. Nothing related to philosophy.

Again, I rephrase my question : what's the age of the universe according your calculations and experiments?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 06, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
I used to have this thought, that Einstein was the guy. Once, in this forum I saw rrr user criticizing Einstein. I decided to listen to him.
If my memory serves me correctly, Einstein once said that they would be able to finish the atomic bomb without the need for him to participate in the project.
“Einstein’s E=mc² was Italian’s idea”
https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/a-few-historical-frauds/

For me, Nicola Tesla is on another level. This Croatian was the guy.

Edit -Croatian. My error.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 06, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
So, what's the mathematical connection of Heisenberg's formula with the radioactive decay? 
Energy = Planck constant (h) times frequency (f).
Planck = h/2pi times omega
w = energy /h
Einstein = Energy / light speed
Energy = h*y(ni) / wave lenght times y(ni)
cutting ni
P=h/2pi/k == h k
Schrodinger create a corolary because dont understood.
Well, omega, psi, lambda, ... .

After looking 30 seconds of a video explaining that I switch to bikini try on haul. :cool:

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what's the age of the universe according your calculations and experiments?
This is a really hard question, sometimes I forgot my own age. :toothy:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 06, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
The win with Kurt Gödel's work was that the world cannot be reduced to a mechanism, put roughly, for any axiomatic system, there are truths that cannot be derived from that finite set of axioms and if you extend the set of axioms, you just have a bigger version of the same problem.

It put an end to the 1920s and 1930s "Ideal Language" where definitions of what was meaningful and what was not ended up in the scrap heap of history. Both Russell and Wittgenstein abandoned the "linguistic philosophy" movement and while it lingered on until the early 1950s, it had run out of puff.

It does not stop governments, universities, police states and the "politically correct" from trying to flog this old dogma that the world can be made to run on rigid rule systems but it leaves them on shaky ground when they try and justify what the do. They usually respond with force, power, authority and the like.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 06, 2020, 05:41:16 PM
Doing theories about what surrounds us is fine because it moves us forward, but we already know that the science we have built has its limitations. On the other hand, trying to encompass something immeasurable like the universe, without even moving from planet earth, seems a bit risky. What are we based on? in a tiny sample of rocks that may have impacted the Earth and in certain observations that we have been able to make with telescopes. The carbon-14 test? Who says it is invariable in time? Can anyone claim that this test does not degrade as the centuries go by? At any point in the entire hypothesis, chaos theory can intervene and overturn such a long-term theory.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 06, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
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Doing theories about what surrounds us is fine because it moves us forward, but we already know that the science we have built has its limitations.

Science is not perfect but it's the most valuable methodology to understand the nature.

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On the other hand, trying to encompass something immeasurable like the universe, without even moving from planet earth, seems a bit risky.

Who told you that universe is not measurable? What about the distance of far galaxies? What about the estimated size of the universe? Observations and calculations are talking about billions, why this should be incorrect? The fact that we cannot travel yet to another planet does not restrict us from doing astronomical and cosmological researches.

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in a tiny sample of rocks that may have impacted the Earth

Why do I talk about those rock samples? Do you have an idea?

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Who says it is invariable in time? Can anyone claim that this test does not degrade as the centuries go by?

You have to read Karl Popper's book : All Life is Problem Solving  Also, you have to study Popper's Theory of Falsification.

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At any point in the entire hypothesis, chaos theory can intervene and overturn such a long-term theory.

I wonder how the chaos theory would defeat the radiometric dating method.  You keep talking about Heisenberg, Gödel etc. Honestly, did you study the mathematics of all those ideas?

Here is again my question : what's the age of the universe according your calculations and experiments?

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 06, 2020, 08:40:59 PM
Are time, space, the speed of light in vacuum a constant or a variable?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: nidud on October 06, 2020, 09:26:46 PM
 :biggrin:

What are we based on?

We are carbon based lifeforms. The present of carbon based life on this planet can be measured by digging a hole in the ground. The estimate is around 16 000 feet, so if the hole is 5000 meters deep your still surrounded by old skeletons of the past.

The speed of light is 299 792 458 m/s so it takes a few minutes from the sun to reach the surface of this planet. The light from the stars takes a bit longer, so if you see them they probably have been around for as long as it takes to reach your eyes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 06, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
Doing theories about what surrounds us is fine because it moves us forward, but we already know that the science we have built has its limitations.

You are talking as if you were a scientist. How many peer-reviewed scientific articles have you published in your life?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: FORTRANS on October 06, 2020, 11:00:03 PM
Hi,

Are time, space, the speed of light in vacuum a constant or a variable?

   According to the Theory of Special Relativity,
the speed of light is a constant.  Time and space
are relative to the observer's frame of reference.
And thus can be different for different observers.
General Relativity mucks about with time and
space quite a bit as well.  Though I think it leaves
the speed of light unchanged.

Cheers,

Steve N.

P.S.
   For an observer in an inertial frame of reference,
time and space will appear as constant locally.

SRN
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 06, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
When I was a child I asked my older brother why nothing can exceed the speed of light, if it is already going at the speed of light. Is the speed of light always constant? Don't have fluctuations? Never exceed the speed we have set for it? What if we discovered that something exceeds this speed? What would we do? Would we deny it because it is impossible? Would we repeat the test until what we want? And more importantly, why the speed of light and not some other value? That we do not know anything faster does not mean that it does not exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 06, 2020, 11:35:11 PM
Nothing can surpass the speed of light according to Einstein's special relativity. The problem is that an object reaching the speed c would have an infinite mass.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 06, 2020, 11:47:30 PM
Thanks Steve,

When I think of gravitational time dilation.
There are so many things we don't know, so I asked myself how do we know how old the universe is?
If we could bend space, can we travel faster than light?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 07, 2020, 12:17:23 AM
I read an article that says about neutrinos being faster than the speed of light, the experiment was done at CERN in 2011. Is it true?

Since you are talking about quantum, an article in a magazine says that quantum processors can capture data from parallel universes. It is true?

If you ask me difficult questions I'm sure that I will evolve and visualize swimsuits.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 07, 2020, 12:38:35 AM
I read an article that says about neutrinos being faster than the speed of light, the experiment was done at CERN in 2011. Is it true?

No.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 07, 2020, 12:56:23 AM
According to the report, in the original test neutrinos traveled faster than light. The scientists dismissed this possibility because it went against the theory of relativity, so they did a review and found two incorrectly calibrated objects. Fortunately in the second test things worked as they had to  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 07, 2020, 01:18:10 AM
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ICARUS experiment at Gran Sasso laboratory reports new measurement of neutrino time of flight consistent with the speed of light
The ICARUS experiment at the Italian Gran Sasso laboratory has today reported a new measurement of the time of flight of neutrinos from CERN to Gran Sasso. The ICARUS measurement, using last year’s short pulsed beam from CERN, indicates that the neutrinos do not exceed the speed of light on their journey between the two laboratories. This is at odds with the initial measurement reported by OPERA last September.

https://home.cern/news/press-release/cern/opera-experiment-reports-anomaly-flight-time-neutrinos-cern-gran-sasso


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In 2011, the OPERA experiment mistakenly observed neutrinos appearing to travel faster than light. Even before the mistake was discovered, the result was considered anomalous because speeds higher than that of light in a vacuum are generally thought to violate special relativity, a cornerstone of the modern understanding of physics for over a century.[1][2]

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OPERA scientists announced the results of the experiment in September 2011 with the stated intent of promoting further inquiry and debate. Later the team reported two flaws in their equipment set-up that had caused errors far outside their original confidence interval: a fiber optic cable attached improperly, which caused the apparently faster-than-light measurements, and a clock oscillator ticking too fast.[3] The errors were first confirmed by OPERA after a ScienceInsider report;[4] accounting for these two sources of error eliminated the faster-than-light results.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 07, 2020, 02:05:04 AM
According to the report, in the original test neutrinos traveled faster than light. The scientists dismissed this possibility because it went against the theory of relativity, so they did a review and found two incorrectly calibrated objects. Fortunately in the second test things worked as they had to  :biggrin:

You are talking as if you were a scientist. How many peer-reviewed scientific articles have you published in your life?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 07, 2020, 05:24:10 AM
Thanks for all.
Now i should know who don't accept facts :thup:
Religion and truth are just separate things.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 07, 2020, 06:32:52 AM
Thanks for all.
You're welcome.
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Now i should know who don't accept facts :thup:
Tell me who is this insolent person that I will create memes  :skrewy:
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Religion and truth are just separate things.
Not really, both can walk togheter. Who create light and separate from the darkness?  :eusa_dance:
Ok, define truth.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 08, 2020, 01:30:58 AM

With religion,the easy thing,is that you have just to believe that it is true,no proof are needed.
Actually,in the US,there is people who believe (and died for this)  that the world is flat.
Just believe and you see light or something else you want to see.
Actually also,there is what can be call the supermarket of religion.
Just choose one,they are numerous.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 08, 2020, 02:04:22 AM
Something that was fun was to use Aquinas's proof of the existence of God called "The First Mover" against true pagans (not agnostics) and it is a debate that neither can win, Aquinas's view was that if you regressed back far enough you would find the first event and God was the mover of the first event.

The response is that there may not be a first event and that events may regress to infinite but that produces another problem, infinite by its own definition has no end and thus can never be verified.

Effectively you have two branches of metaphysics bashing each other's brains in a debate that can never be won by either.

Now the real problem is the notion of causal chains and the culprit that pulled the rug under causality was the English philosopher David Hume who argued that a perceived causal connection was nothing more than the experience of events that occurred in what he called "constant conjunction" and it is a hard argument to get around.

Now there is yet another problem with conflicting views, the German philosopher Emmanuel Kant coined the expression "antinomies" and effectively with any range of conflicting viewpoints addressing the same category, at best only one can be correct but all can be wrong.

I confess to being a thorough going empiricist along the lines of the English tradition but that can come unstuck in its extreme form, when all you have is perception in isolation you end up with nonsense like something only exists while you perceive it but no longer exists when you stop.

Some combination of perception and memory (events you have previously observed) and the assumption of the uniformity of nature over time and you get science, engineering, technology, the external world and the capacity to accumulate knowledge.

Proof is an interesting field, maths, logic and at least some other axiomatic fields have DEDUCTIVE proof but in general, observations about the world at large are INDUCTIVE proof if enough practitioners agree on something.

I will stop here as the field goes on approaching infinity and none of us will live long enough.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 08, 2020, 03:10:29 AM
Isn't atheism a religion?

Quote from: Euler
Monsieur Diderot: (a+b^n)/n = x, donc Dieu existe: répondez!
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 08, 2020, 03:39:46 AM
I see ,proof isn't religious and have no interest.
Talking of proof can be very interesting  with the extension of the actual knowledges .
I am very religious,I go to the church every summer to freshen up.
French church had thick wall.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 08, 2020, 04:04:25 AM
Here we go, draining the swamp: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313640512025513984
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 08, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
He is very funny :mrgreen:
When will he declassify his tax declaration?

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@realDonaldTrump
I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 08, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
His tax declarations are, of course, far more important than exposing the corrupt deep state and bringing out the truth.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 08, 2020, 05:56:07 PM
A message from the president!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313959702104023047

Free for every American.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/07/eli-lilly-monoclonal-antibody-cocktail-covid-19/
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 08, 2020, 06:39:02 PM
Yves,

> French church had thick wall.

You mean you don't go there for the amazing architecture, fascinating history, magnificent locations or the chance of Knight's Templar's buried treasure ?  :tongue:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 08, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
you have forgotten the Stained glass.They are of the best effect in the penombre.
In any case I let the ecolier  search proof in math.
History is a manual of life.
When donald support peoples who want made there own police with weapons,we have an excellent reference with the year 1920.
Did you know what happen after ?,1933,........
Fanaticism !
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
That is a funny story between Euler (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Euler), one of the greatest mathematicians in history, Swiss, at the court of Catherine II, in Saint Petersburg, and Diderot, a French philosopher and encyclopedist. Euler was a Calvinist believer, while Diderot was an atheist. Catherine told Diderot to go to the academy of sciences, because a mathematician had the proof of the existence of God, when he arrived he found that the mathematician was nothing more and nothing less than Euler, who told him the famous phrase in French:

Quote from: Euler
“Monsieur Diderot: (a+b^n)/n = x, donc Dieu existe: répondez!

What comes to be in english:
Quote from: Euler
Mr Diderot: (a+b^n)/n = x, hence God does exists: Something to object?

Diderot, who was not very knowledgeable in mathematics, was speechless. Euler, to further deceive the matter said:

Quote from: Euler
My wife wrote a whole number of less than thirty digits and that ends in 2. I deleted the 2 from the end and
I wrote at the beginning. The resulting number is twice the number my wife wrote. What number did my wife write?

At which Diderot paled and left the place.

Some people say that this story is not really true, but it is very funny  :bgrin:

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Vortex on October 08, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
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therefore God exists: your response?”

https://www.newappsblog.com/2012/07/on-bad-anecdotes-and-good-fun.html
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 08, 2020, 09:01:03 PM
Euler was one of the most prolific mathematicians in history. At one point in his life he went blind in one eye and his phrase was "better, so I don't get distracted from my math homework." The time came to go totally blind and he continued working, dictating to his daughter what to write. What would this great man have in his brain. In one of his engravings, he can be seen with one of his eyes half closed.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Leonhard_Euler.jpg/330px-Leonhard_Euler.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 08, 2020, 09:03:07 PM
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therefore God exists: your response?”

https://www.newappsblog.com/2012/07/on-bad-anecdotes-and-good-fun.html

An excellent source, thank you, Erol :thumbsup:

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The consensus among the better historians is that nothing of the sort happened. Diderot wanted to leave; he and Euler were not on bad terms; the Queen was reluctant to see him go; and he would not have been bamboozled by algebra.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 08, 2020, 11:37:48 PM

Good god answer.
If you have time to read this ,keep a look on:
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Too Much and Never Enough : How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man
It's the niece of trump and It isn't the only one person very closer with Donald who fire at red bullet against him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 09, 2020, 06:28:31 PM
Hello,
fresh news here
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Federal authorities charged six men for allegedly plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer from her vacation home before November’s presidential election, with one of the defendants allegedly saying they would then try Whitmer for “treason,” officials revealed Thursday.
Donald is not only a dangerous psychopath but also stupid.How could he think this can work ????
The link don't seem to work,I try here a partial copy:
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/michigan-gov-gre.,., dungu .,.,.,-whitmer-kidnap-plot-busted-by-fbi.html

This justify http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=8492.msg96072#msg96072 (http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=8492.msg96072#msg96072)


Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 09, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
TDS  :badgrin:

You think Trump supports the leftwing radical extreme members of ANTIFA?

13 Antifa Members ARRESTED For Trying to KIDNAP Governor Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer to START A CIVIL WAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWciDLgk6-E
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2020, 10:53:15 PM
You think Trump supports the leftwing radical extreme members of ANTIFA?

Yeah, they really look like antifa :greensml:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/74C3/production/_114819892_mugshots.jpg)

BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427):
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FBI busts militia 'plot' to abduct Michigan Gov Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 09, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
13 Antifa Members ARRESTED For Trying to KIDNAP Governor Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer to START A CIVIL WAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWciDLgk6-E

Btw the NYT article that your video claims says antifa is behind the attack is here (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427). The word "antifa" appears only once:
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The seven men were said to be affiliated with an extremist group known as the Wolverine Watchmen
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Mr. Trump insulted Ms. Whitmer, saying that she had “done a terrible job” and that he had expected her to thank him for the charges announced on Thursday. Instead, he wrote, “She calls me a White Supremacist—while Biden and Democrats refuse to condemn Antifa, Anarchists, Looters and Mobs that burn down Democrat run cities.”

BleedingCool (https://bleedingcool.com/comics/the-wolverine-watchmen-are-not-what-you-think/):
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Not to downplay the real threat of right-wing white terrorists, but the idea that a group of grown ass backwoods inbred man-children bandied together and decided to name themselves the "wolverine watchmen" is one of the more pathetically funny things I've heard today
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 09, 2020, 11:12:42 PM
Strange to perceive taxonomy from a political point of view:
Kingdom: New World Order
class: workers
gender: ideology
...

I remember collectivism versus individualism;
We are currently in sectarianism, a special group forcing others to take special measures. The rhetoric used is to protect minorities. If we look at the individual, only he is the minority.

I am ashamed of what is happening in my country;
These days a large company has opened trainee vacancies only for blacks. Sectarianism!?. Racism!?. No, historical repair !!!. Fight racism with racism.
If you are against this idea, you are racist. If you're in favor of jobs for whites only, you're racist. Reverse antagonism.

Brazilian journalist Hélio Schwartsman of the Folha de São Paulo group wrote: “I hope that Trump doesn't recover”; the same journalist wished the death of the current Brazilian president.
Hate speech? No, freedom of speech.

I imagine how childlike people are today; don't forget, you are talking to the best black american rapper in history !.
My skin is white but I consider myself with black blood running through my veins (my body, my laws).
I'm a programmer but I consider myself a rapper (ideology)
North American because I live in Brazil (schizophrenia and childhood).
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 09, 2020, 11:35:35 PM
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I am ashamed of what is happening in my country;
Claim it,but don't despair.
Most important thing is the vote,don't lets your right to others.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 09, 2020, 11:46:37 PM
Strange to perceive taxonomy from a political point of view:
Kingdom: New World Order
class: workers
gender: ideology
...

I remember collectivism versus individualism;
We are currently in sectarianism, a special group forcing others to take special measures. The rhetoric used is to protect minorities. If we look at the individual, only he is the minority.

I am ashamed of what is happening in my country;
These days a large company has opened trainee vacancies only for blacks. Sectarianism!?. Racism!?. No, historical repair !!!. Fight racism with racism.
If you are against this idea, you are racist. If you're in favor of jobs for whites only, you're racist. Reverse antagonism.

Brazilian journalist Hélio Schwartsman of the Folha de São Paulo group wrote: “I hope that Trump doesn't recover”; the same journalist wished the death of the current Brazilian president.
Hate speech? No, freedom of speech.

I imagine how childlike people are today; don't forget, you are talking to the best black american rapper in history !.
My skin is white but I consider myself with black blood running through my veins (my body, my laws).
I'm a programmer but I consider myself a rapper (ideology)
North American because I live in Brazil (schizophrenia and childhood).

Hi Mineiro, i totally agree. What that crap of magazineluiza did was absurd. A complete insanity. Did you saw that the public prosecutor's office opened a law suit against this stupidity ?

In Brazil, we are facing the consequences of a bankrupt and horrifying situation that the former governments lead us onto. Those damn leftists destroyed our country from more then 30 years and simply refuses to let it go trying to maintain the establishment. It will take years to we fully recover the country.  We can have here 10 bolsonaros, 10 Trumps administrations and it still will take years to we recover.

Did you saw that no only MagazineLuiza did but also bayer did that stupidity too ? Or that damn article made by Folha de São Paulo based on a "research" from University of Sao Paulo claiming that we are all a result of a mass rape trying to flame young idiots to do the same as it happened in US of people going to streets destroying statues, destroying stores etc etc ? It is completely insane. I read that thing yesterday and was shocked that someone on his sane mind could be able to create a fake article claiming "hystorical research" like that. What a hell they wants to happens here ? A civil war ? Its absurd.

We need to do urgently what Trump did this week and what Ukrayne did a few years ago. We need to get rid of the communist party in Brazil as soon as possible (not only the communist party, but the labor´s party or even that worst one (PSOL) that is practically forming guerrillas flaming people to kill the middle class or white people etc etc.

What i saw in the streets while i was protesting these past years was simply shocking. :dazzled: :dazzled: :dazzled: Those people set fire in Brasilia (Literally) a couple of years ago, they throw coquetel molotov on people who were protesting (not to mention against the police). I was there at the time. It was something that looked like a horror movie.

Is hard to believe how we let our people (specially our children and the younger generation) go onto this situation. In part, is our fault to believe on those bastards in the past. The worst part is, some of those guys (journalists, artists and even politicians who loves to criticize and demonize not only US but all other countries claiming them as imperialists, nazists, racists, fascists richer etc etc) travels abroad spreading the most stupidity lies about our own country. "Artists" like Paulo Betti, José de Abreu etc who are stupidly rich (simulating being in pro-socialism, but they don´t burn their own money, btw) saying the most barbarian things and no one can say a single word, because they can threat whoever they wants that will be considered "freedom of speech". Its insane whats happening here. This is a clear values reversal

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 09, 2020, 11:48:27 PM
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I am ashamed of what is happening in my country;
Claim it,but don't despair.
Most important thing is the vote,don't lets your right to others.

Unfortunately, the voting system here is not trustworthy and also people tend to believe in promises without knowing the candidate, or even worst when they exchange their vote for money. I´m not talking in huges amount of money, i´m talking about 10, 20 dollars or with the promisse that they put some relative on the public office etc. It´s not unusual here, specially in small towns.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 10, 2020, 12:10:59 AM
What you have to ask yourself is who would benefit from more riots in the streets. No way to Trump. That would only benefit the antifa,the left, who are the specialists. So what's behind all this?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 12:15:34 AM
What you have to ask yourself is who would benefit from more riots in the streets. No way to Trump. That would only benefit the antifa,the left, who are the specialists. So what's behind all this?

Money and power, for sure. Someone is investing a lot of time and money to finance riots.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 10, 2020, 12:26:48 AM
@mineiro and @guga

In complete agreement with you, the same is true here, including the artists, all so left-wing anti-capitalist and all so rich.

Many people are already beginning to think that the management of the covid and the economy that the social-communist government of Spain is carrying out is not only the result of its ineptitude, but that it could be perfectly planned.

There are already larger companies in Spain that will begin to be acquired by foreign multinationals. Like the case of Telefónica. Heavyweight.

They are striving to lock up the community of Madrid, being the economic engine of Spain, to destroy its economy, skipping the data of infection in clear decline and having other communities with a higher rate of contagion.

When they finish with Spain I don't even want to think how they will leave it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 10, 2020, 12:34:21 AM
Telefónica soars more than 8% in the stock market while Deutsche Telekom analyzes a takeover bid

https://okdiario.com/economia/telefonica-dispara-mas-6-bolsa-mientras-que-deutsche-telekom-analiza-opa-6234862


From what I have heard from economists, in Europe large companies are going to start absorbing small ones, leaving all sectors concentrated in a few. Which will lead many people to unemployment and price increases due to less competition. For example telecommunications, it seems that only Deutche Telekom (Germany), Orange (France) and Vodafone (GB) will remain.

Who lends money demands.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 12:52:28 AM
Telefónica soars more than 8% in the stock market while Deutsche Telekom analyzes a takeover bid

https://okdiario.com/economia/telefonica-dispara-mas-6-bolsa-mientras-que-deutsche-telekom-analiza-opa-6234862


From what I have heard from economists, in Europe large companies are going to start absorbing small ones, leaving all sectors concentrated in a few. Which will lead many people to unemployment and price increases due to less competition. For example telecommunications, it seems that only Deutche Telekom (Germany), Orange (France) and Vodafone (GB) will remain.

Who lends money demands.

We have this telefonica here too. It was target of a federal investigation of the operation lava-jato (Operation car wash) that is responsible to investigate millionaires schemes of corruption
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 10, 2020, 01:15:54 AM
Telefónica, if it is not the largest Spanish company, it will be there. If it falls, it will be a severe blow to the Spanish economy, as they will take everything away. But the gov president does not seem to care, as long as he has his official falcon to travel the world as if he were Rockefeller, everything seems to give him the same.

The management of Pallete at the helm of Telefónica seems remarkably improvable, since he began his management his stock market value has fallen by 60% according to the economist I usually listen to.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 10, 2020, 01:41:40 AM
TDS  :badgrin:

You think Trump supports the leftwing radical extreme members of ANTIFA?

13 Antifa Members ARRESTED For Trying to KIDNAP Governor Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer to START A CIVIL WAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWciDLgk6-E
:nie: :nie: :nie: :nie: :nie:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 02:34:53 AM
In fact those people arrested are what can be called "antifas"


Accordying to NBC news:
"This movement is dedicated to “eradicating the government and killing law enforcement officers,” according to NBC News. Members of the movement have attacked and killed police officers in recent months, “often in attempts to ignite what they believe will be a second civil war,” NBC News said."

"NBC News found that, “Several of the men charged (with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer) have histories of anti-government organizing, as well as interest in countering what they saw as an ‘uprising’ against President Donald Trump, according to their online profiles and comments.”"

"Fox had his profile picture as a skull and crossbones with a Three Percenters label and the phrase, “Liberty or Death,” NBC News said."

What those idiots auto-nominated "anti-fascists" should know is that..there´s no longer fascism regime in the world since the death of Mussolini. The current term those guys are using as "anti-fascism' are mainly propaganda, since they have no idea what fascism was at the 1st place. Someone who claims fight against fascism using some of the fascism principles (fear, violence etc) are simply acting as such what they claims to fight against.

"The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.". Although this phrase was created on internet (and not by Churchill, Saramago etc), this couldn´t be more accurate.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/10/09/gov-whitmer-kidnapping-suspects-linked-to-boogaloo-anti-government-movement-nbc-news-finds/

Now..guess who they will try to blame for those stupid guys acts ? No surprises here as well. Here is the same old thing trying to blame someone who have nothing to do with stupidity of some people :joking: :joking: :joking: :joking:

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2020-06-06-at-10-34-25-am-1591454486.png?crop=0.491xw:0.997xh;0.0170xw,0.00345xh&resize=480:*)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 10, 2020, 02:55:37 AM
BleedingCool (https://bleedingcool.com/comics/the-wolverine-watchmen-are-not-what-you-think/):
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Not to downplay the real threat of right-wing white terrorists, but the idea that a group of grown ass backwoods inbred man-children bandied together and decided to name themselves the "wolverine watchmen" is one of the more pathetically funny things I've heard today

The attempt to put these guys into the category "antifa" instead of "white supremacists" (where they belong) is pretty hilarious :tongue:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/74C3/production/_114819892_mugshots.jpg)

Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer/thirteen-arrested-in-plots-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-incite-unrest-idUSKBN26T2ZF) says the last two guys are Michael and William Null. The name says it all :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: nidud on October 10, 2020, 02:58:22 AM
In fact those people arrested are what can be called "antifas"
TDS  :badgrin:

You think Trump supports the leftwing radical extreme members of ANTIFA?

13 Antifa Members ARRESTED For Trying to KIDNAP Governor Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer to START A CIVIL WAR

Here's an image from the headquarter of Antifa.

This is the home of Joseph Morrison, one of the Michigan men recently arrested for his plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer with the antifascist flag there in the background.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej168yVXYAEvZjH?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 10, 2020, 03:16:18 AM
I must have seen that antifa flag somewhere... and of course, it makes sense that they want to kidnap a fascist governor like Gretсhen Widmer :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 03:22:35 AM
In fact those people arrested are what can be called "antifas"
TDS  :badgrin:

You think Trump supports the leftwing radical extreme members of ANTIFA?

13 Antifa Members ARRESTED For Trying to KIDNAP Governor Gre.,., dungu .,.,., Whitmer to START A CIVIL WAR

Here's an image from the headquarter of Antifa.

This is the home of Joseph Morrison, one of the Michigan men recently arrested for his plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer with the antifascist flag there in the background.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej168yVXYAEvZjH?format=jpg&name=medium)

The problem is that people who says "antifascists' don´t know what it is.  There no fascism in the modern world, anyway. What it do exists is a bunch of people acting as fascists without even knowing what it was all about. Whoever claim himself anti-government at the same time he plans to act violently against people or against a democratic government is acting with one of the principles of fascism that is using extreme violence to grant what it wants. BLM in US can also be nominated as fascits on the same way as white supremacists can be denominated as such, because both groups use the same methodology to spread fear to get what they want.

Fascism itself was on the same political spectre (left-wing) as in communism, nazism etc. In fact, at some points the 3 regimes was claimed "brothers ideologies" back in the 30´s to 40´s. The only thing is....fascism and nazism no longer exists. They didn´t lasted long as communism for example that stil exists today unfortunatelly. And btw, despite their brutality,  nazism and fascism still caused less deaths then communism if you take onto account the number of people brutally murdered on those 3 ones.

About antifas and neonazis, what do exists can be called whatever people like, but never fascism or neonazists on the correct terminology of it. Who claim themselves as neonazi are simply lost in time, specially when we also see black people getting onto neonazi groups without having the least idea of what was this thing all about.

Extremists (in both sides) uses those symbolisms to project fear in people, no more no less. It´s not because we see a white supremacist calling himself a nationalist or a antifascist calling himself a "defensor of liberty" that makes their acts being different from the symbols that they claims fight against. On the moment you call him self a anti fascism or anti nazist or ultra nationalist etc and behave the same way as happened on those regimes, then you are not fighting against anything, you are simply acting as such, regardless what you nominated yourself or your group.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 03:34:53 AM
This is what one of those groups so called "antifascist' uses to do in Brazil. This is not anti-fascism or a pro-democracy acts. Those acts are simply terrorism. A bunch of idiots influenced by Unions to spread terror among the population and those same guys claims themselves "anti-fascists" or claims these kind of terror is "democratic".

I can think on one or two regimes that uses this same sort of "democracy" to control the population

(https://i.ibb.co/tb2mpFK/06b.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

Now imagine yourself walking on a street and a bunch of criminals starts invading the area to promote such things and you have nearly nowhere to run or hide. Imagine a mom or a kid or an elder passing nearby those places moments before it happens.


Here is not easy too. Brazil is not a piece of cake (Old brazilian dictate) :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 10, 2020, 04:10:37 AM

In france we have a simple law who is called "incitement to hatred".
This one work and hurt you when You commit any acts (Words,actions..) of this sorts.
You can be of the right side ,of the left side ,religious,not religious,...You must respect this law.
There is many words of Donald who can be sanctionned by a law of this sorts.
An example is with the anti-racist,You can find normal to kill a black or to allow policeman to do what they want,hatred is with those who defend the killer.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 10, 2020, 04:11:08 AM
Something that always made me laugh having a good grasp of the history of Nazi Germany is that the type of morons who are "neo" nazis would have been exterminated by the real thing if they have lived back then. Whether you hold the view of a master race or not, the "neo" nazis are an inferior breed of humans that need to be exterminated.

That world no longer exists yet these idiots crave for the sense of power they thought the nazis had by way of a set of historical events that will never be repeated. They could be made useful as fodder for a fertiliser factory.  :badgrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: nidud on October 10, 2020, 04:19:03 AM
[snip]

Fascism is a union of oligarchs. They benefit from cooperate but the state benefit from the competition between them. It's described as a merger of corporate and political interest or socialism for the rich.

This have an impact on wealth distribution within the state where the rich get richer by reducing salaries, and instead of contribute to society by paying taxes they give themselves trillions in bailouts.

So basically what you see in this picture is impoverishment which is the net result of this policy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 10, 2020, 04:25:25 AM
Yes guga, Bayer too. I remember the cleaning product OMO (Unilever) that made advertisements encouraging homosexuality among children.
A child of 5 to 10 years has no opinion, has no judgment, easily deceived. They are naive, pure.
And that brand of Natura perfumes that put a homosexual on Father's Day; had a loss of 392 million reais.
Banco Santandert, after "art incentive", had several customer accounts transferred to another bank.
Luiza magazine is just one more on the list. When it comes to hiring employees it's by race, so they won't have the color of my money.
They are private companies, they could have done: "we hired employees" and selected only blacks.
I boycott the products of these brands.

It is a global trend caballero; companies failing and others buying them. The Brazilian president when taking office said: We are not going to sell Brazil, we are going to sell products from Brazil. We want to trade with everyone instead of just a few.
Some people see it as a solution to tax the richest, good rhetoric. Bill Gates liked the idea. Weird not!? In this way, no one will be able to reach their feet, they will remain in power forever. However, when the richest leave the country of origin, the population becomes poorer.
Whether you buy or sell, the government receives it. Does the government produce? No, just tax who produces.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 10, 2020, 05:41:17 AM
Wouldn't be the first false flag operation in history.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
Something that always made me laugh having a good grasp of the history of Nazi Germany is that the type of morons who are "neo" nazis would have been exterminated by the real thing if they have lived back then. Whether you hold the view of a master race or not, the "neo" nazis are an inferior breed of humans that need to be exterminated.

That world no longer exists yet these idiots crave for the sense of power they thought the nazis had by way of a set of historical events that will never be repeated. They could be made useful as fodder for a fertiliser factory.  :badgrin:

I couldn´t agree more.  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

But not only with the so called 'neonazis" but with people who thinks communism is a sort of a paradise. Its´s simply insane, specially here in Brazil where younger are influenced by Unions and Labor parties and have absolutely no idea what a hell they are defending.  As mineiro said, here the situation is a complete mess. It´s a shame being Brazilian with this so called 'new generation" we have here.

In case of Brasil, our problem is not only a mass scheme of corruption. Corruption is not the end, but the way those criminals have to maintain in power. 30 years of being robbed and spreading lies in the new generation, resulted in absurds. People elected a terrorist to run the country a few years ago. Someone whose gang brutally killed and tortured people back in the 60´s and 70´s.  The problem is that here, those criminals went on power and slowly was infiltrating in universities, schools, public service etc trying to change whatever they could to stay in power. As Castro did, btw.

If this new generation have any idea how happy we were in Brazil back in the 60´s, 70´s and early 80´s they would think twice before falling on the claws of some criminal politicians we have here.

About this nazi stupidity i put it on the same level as communism/socialism romanticized by some brazilian students, specially gay students that wears shirts of che guevara, fidel etc. If they have the least idea how many people (including gay and blacks) Che personally killed, they maybe think twice before using shirts or thinking on a twisted way like that.

For you have an idea on how far our youth is disturbed, war heroes here are treated as a scum. A couple of years ago i saw (and i believe mineiro knows that too) a bunch of idiots from a university beating with sticks some elders who fought in the WWII against nazists and fascists. Those poor elders dedicated their lives for this new generation and the reward at the end of their lives were being surprised by a bunch of idiots beating and cursing them, without have any idea of what they (the elders) went through.

When i was young, i spent years making a course of sculpture on the atelier of an italian-brazilian sculptor called "Dante de Giacomo" (Died several years ago). Dado (as i called him) constantly tell me the stories of his adventures when he joined the allies during the WWII (If i remember well, he was part of the resistance or something).  What is in my minds is the term "carabinieri" that he constantly speak at the time whenever he talked about the resistance soldiers.

He had to hide himself and also his family to avoid being killed while Mussolini was still in charge.  He hated Mussolini up to his guts and fought against nazis. Some details he omitted to me, because i was too young to understand at the time (I was his younger student, all the others were adults). When he didn´t wanted me to hear, he speaked in italian to other students,  thinking i didn´t understand what he was saying :bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:

I maybe still have a copy of a book he was writting at the time he was alive, called "La bomba a la farfaglia" (The butterfly bomb, i guess is the proper translation) :bgrin: :bgrin:

Today, people like him or others hero wars would be treated like trash with this dumb new generation we have here in Brazil.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 10, 2020, 09:47:41 AM
guga, my grandfather of Italian descent was in WW2, he was a major in the army. He came back a little insane from the war. He said to me when I was a child, "Save the last bullet for yourself." This is one of the reasons that I treat others with respect by calling them sir, part of the way I was raised.
I know many stories about the war that are not worth telling, they are dark.

It is easy to be a communist/socialist in a country where the major representative can be criticized.

I am following selected newspapers instead of the mainstream press. It seems to me that there is a force that act in shadows against Russia now. In the last few days it was Ukraine, then Armenia and Ajerbaijan, today it was Kyrgyzstan.
On the other hand, Kissinger warned of a pre-war climate between the United States and China. The assumption is that the war will move out of the commercial arena and could become militarized.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 10:40:06 AM
(...)
It is easy to be a communist/socialist in a country where the major representative can be criticized.

Agreed 100%.

I am following selected newspapers instead of the mainstream press. It seems to me that there is a force that act in shadows against Russia now. In the last few days it was Ukraine, then Armenia and Ajerbaijan, today it was Kyrgyzstan.
On the other hand, Kissinger warned of a pre-war climate between the United States and China. The assumption is that the war will move out of the commercial arena and could become militarized.

About news, i do that too.  Here the major responsible for fake news are the mainstream media.Of course, we need to take care what to read on the internet, but i check twice, three or 4 times everything i read to make sure about the source of information.

I don´t think we are on a pre-war climate. It seems exaggerated. China wouldn't dare to do it, specially because they are responsible for spreading this damn virus all over the world. It´s not something they did only against US. Whatever they do they will be certainly considered responsible on all other countries as well. Of course, the economical interest seems to me evident. This week an article from Asian Nikkei news saying that chinese billionaires wealth soars 41% in post-lockdown. So, it´s all about money and power, afterall.

Of course, the virus do exists and will be with us for a looong time, but there are people earning fortunes with it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 10, 2020, 12:47:53 PM
I was lucky that my father came back from WW2 with all of his marbles and a few war injuries. He told me long ago that folks who ended up in the army who were from city styles of living were often not hard enough to handle the miseries of war. He grew up in the wheat belt of West OZ and during the great depression worked his way up the coast until he ended up in Darwin at around the start of WW2 so he had seen a lot and managed the blood and guts of war.

He had a reasonable amount of contact with Japanese pearl families around Broom in West OZ and did not hate the Japanese, he mainly felt sorry for them as towards the end of the Pacific war, they were starving and desperate. He ended up driving a jeep for a dental unit at Milne Bay after he broke his left leg again while riding a motorbike at the head of a convoy in Bougainville.

He said that a Japanese soldier stepped out in front of him and threw a grenade at him. It went off under the crank case of the bike, blew it up in the air and it came down on his left leg. He had no malice against the soldier, they were desperate, starving and afraid of Australian soldiers after the propaganda they had been fed.

While some of the old fellas saw WW2 as the greatest circus on Earth, those who survived the Japanese concentration camps were not as forgiving as they had been treated really badly. What I take away from the old fellas is an abiding hatred of any of these war mongering bastards who sit on their arse sending young men to their death. Defence makes sense but those starting a war deserve a special place in Hell for what they have done.

This list is long but for more recent bastardry, here is the list of folks who old Nick (diabolos) will have a ton of fun with when they depart this mortal coil.
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Dickless Chainey
Saul WooferWitch
Rubber dub Dubya
Ronald Dumsfeld
There are others like Asnar from Spain and Blair from the UK but when all of these bastards hit the deck down below, the murdered millions will be throwing stones at them as they decent into the fun stuff that old Nick has in store for them.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 10, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
What did Aznar?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 10, 2020, 06:53:54 PM

Donald refuse to debate against Biden.he think that tv don't allow him to interrupt enought his opponent.
He isn't a politic and he signed here his incompetence.
What can he do for the US except resurrect the brown shirt ?.
You have not the choice between two ppolitics,but the choice to have one or to have none.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 10, 2020, 09:00:51 PM

Donald refuse to debate against Biden.he think that tv don't allow him to interrupt enought his opponent.
He isn't a politic and he signed here his incompetence.
What can he do for the US except resurrect the brown shirt ?.
You have not the choice between two ppolitics,but the choice to have one or to have none.

Why change the debate rules? something to do with cheating and a teleprompter?
Linking brown-shirts (Antifa and BLM rioters) to Trump?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 10, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
[snip]

Fascism is a union of oligarchs. They benefit from cooperate but the state benefit from the competition between them. It's described as a merger of corporate and political interest or socialism for the rich.

This have an impact on wealth distribution within the state where the rich get richer by reducing salaries, and instead of contribute to society by paying taxes they give themselves trillions in bailouts.

So basically what you see in this picture is impoverishment which is the net result of this policy.

I know. But, if you try to explain that (fascism as a socialism for the rich) to some university students here in Brazil (specially ones from public universities). You will be nominated as fascist, nazist, racist, "taxist":greensml: :greensml: :greensml: :greensml: "Taxist" is a brazilian joke. It means a taxi/cab driver (Taxista in portuguese), but the sounds is similar to nazist, fascist, so the association terms they call people ending with "ist" with taxist already became a meme here :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 11, 2020, 07:09:01 PM
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Why change the debate rules? something to do with cheating and a teleprompter?
Linking brown-shirts (Antifa and BLM rioters) to Trump?
two things,the virus is one and the other is the many interrupts imposed by trump.
Trump just want to imposed his brute force and not debate.
It's not me who view that but the entire world.
Cacophony isn't debate and the cheater is named.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 11, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
Quote
Why change the debate rules? something to do with cheating and a teleprompter?
Linking brown-shirts (Antifa and BLM rioters) to Trump?
two things,the virus is one and the other is the many interrupts imposed by trump.
Trump just want to imposed his brute force and not debate.
It's not me who view that but the entire world.
Cacophony isn't debate and the cheater is named.

Did you watch the complete debate?
Or just a cut and paste compilation presented to you by the left-wing MSM?

If Trump didn't interrupt, he probably had no chance to get the important items discussed.
Court packing ( still no answer, neither from Harris ), Enriching his family tru pay for play schemes, Ukrain ( Hunter/Burisma ), China ( 1.5B Hunter ) and lately the 3.5M bribe from the mayor's wife of Moscow.
Flip flopping on fracking, bailot scams, Russian Hoax instigated by Hillary, Biden and Oboma, by lying about the jobs created, defunding the Police, "Peacefull" Antifa/BLM rioters destroying and burning down the democrat run state cities.
He can't even speak out the words LAW & ORDER, because he will lose the extreme left-wing voters.
Biden is not for the people, he's only in it for the Power and the Money.
He'll say anything to get in power, just look all the videos on the net where he contradicts himself over and over again just like Harris, one and the same....

Waiting for Barr and Durham to shed some light on the crimes committed by the deep state Dems and Reps.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 11, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
Or just a cut and paste compilation presented to you by the left-wing MSM?

If Trump didn't interrupt, he probably had no chance to get the important items discussed.

Marinus, be serious :greensml:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 12, 2020, 12:24:34 AM
With the choice between an American politician and an American businessman, its a choice between a rock and a hard place. I have always like Joe Biden even though he can talk underwater but with the pile of crap he is trying to come in with, do you want a war with Russia, China, Iran or anywhere else ?

Get the Democrats and you get Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the old deep state, RussiaGate and the rest of the crap while Trump talks to the people who have been treated like crap for years and not to the pseudo elite. He is a political outsider and that is among the reason who he is so hated by the American establishment and has been endlessly attacked by the US mainstream media. At least with Trump Americans are not being fed WOKE bullsh*t and they are spoken to in their language, not that of the pseudo elite.

The real fear is that he will succeed in cleaning up the deep state and they are already fighting back with the Democrats doing their dirty work for them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 12, 2020, 03:17:32 AM
Marinus, be serious :greensml:

I am, most of the time...  :greensml:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: daydreamer on October 12, 2020, 03:25:56 AM
[snip]

Fascism is a union of oligarchs. They benefit from cooperate but the state benefit from the competition between them. It's described as a merger of corporate and political interest or socialism for the rich.

This have an impact on wealth distribution within the state where the rich get richer by reducing salaries, and instead of contribute to society by paying taxes they give themselves trillions in bailouts.

So basically what you see in this picture is impoverishment which is the net result of this policy.

I know. But, if you try to explain that (fascism as a socialism for the rich) to some university students here in Brazil (specially ones from public universities). You will be nominated as fascist, nazist, racist, "taxist":greensml: :greensml: :greensml: :greensml: "Taxist" is a brazilian joke. It means a taxi/cab driver (Taxista in portuguese), but the sounds is similar to nazist, fascist, so the association terms they call people ending with "ist" with taxist already became a meme here :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
so it doesnt have anything todo with the expression "noll-taxerare"?people who manage to tax zero because place their money in tax paradises
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: guga on October 12, 2020, 06:06:04 AM
so it doesnt have anything todo with the expression "noll-taxerare"?people who manage to tax zero because place their money in tax paradises

Nope :greensml: :greensml: . It's a joke we make when we want to make fun of leftists. :greensml: :greensml: :greensml:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 12, 2020, 08:52:04 PM
 :biggrin:

Ah well, you know what its like when you have pay another instalment on the Porsche and a Lear Jet is expensive to run, caviar is very expensive now and depending on where you live, the French over charge for good champagne and its difficult to make ends meet when you have a bunch of starving people who want you to sponsor them with your hard scammed money.

This is what tax havens are for, fake banks in "interesting" places where you store the money you have ripped off from the poor where you can land your Lear Jet and drive your Porsche with impunity as those starving people simply cannot swim that far.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 12, 2020, 11:51:15 PM
 :biggrin:
All that is pocket money for rich.
Now you need to made an output on space,The US had made the conquest of space private and you can do it.
Ok it's expensive and you need also to be deaf.
You don't hear for example,that with the increase number of rich there is Millions of persons who can't eat.
You don't hear for example,that rich produce more CO² than the other.
To save the planet there is need of less people and less rich.
All That is describe by international organisms.
Pollution ? what is that ?,Bad working conditions ,What is that ?.
Let's the planet made a sort on all that and you will have a few rich who survive at the announced cataclysm.
Be as Donald,deaf,and put oustide all the scientists who try to study that.



Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 13, 2020, 12:46:15 AM
@ToutEnMasm
Comparatively speaking, you are much richer than millions of people around the world, and I am sure that also in your country. Are you going to do something about it? Or only those who are richer than you are obliged to partially or totally cede their wealth to you?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 13, 2020, 01:23:52 AM
 What i do isn't the question.
The question is  what donald do,and it seems i don't ear even a breeze.He can do manithings.
In the middle age,it was possible to burn or to pu out the scientistS. We are in 2020,and donald continue the witch hunt.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 13, 2020, 02:16:55 AM
What was expelled and burned in the Middle Ages were voices discordant with the established truth, among which were some scientists. Just like now, with the new truth established. See the censorship of youtube, twitter, etc. If I remember correctly, Trump has said that if these media censor what they do not like, it will be understood that they agree with what they do not censor, even if it is illegal, with which the penalties could reach the media itself.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 13, 2020, 02:36:22 AM
He said ,he said...
There is just a problem,US is just a part of the word and he couldn't made shut up all the scientists in the world.
This show as stupid he is.
For me,I hear it enough with the actualities of microsoft.
For that ,I will prefer an another President who can take is place in the mondial climate conference.
On what he say,most of media say it's just Wandering.He is always attacking this one or this one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 13, 2020, 08:22:46 AM
I agree with caballero on the new version of the inquisition when it comes to political correctness, the world of WOKE bullsh*t and the never ending list of techniques to control more people more of the time. Dissent is the new evil, if you don't agree with these greedy bastards, you get demonised and depending on where you live you suddenly get accused of terrorism, child porn, treason or whatever else they can throw at you.

We have a Premier in Victoria who has converted an already "gung ho" police force into the Gestapo, in Queensland the locals are being bombarded with cornball bullsh*t by a Premier wanting to get re-elected and our local Premier in NSW has just been dragged in front of an anti-corruption body over her ex boyfriend abusing political power for gain.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 13, 2020, 08:06:54 PM
Donald is not Jesus Christ.
Those who have drink his words about the virus have needed to go to the poison control centre.
What do you think about a president who is inconscious of the power of his words???
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2020, 12:26:22 AM
Those who have drink his words about the virus have needed to go to the poison control centre.

Many scientists, medical and legal professionals ( who are not  controlled by the global propaganda machine ) disagree with you.
There numbers are growing day by day.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2020, 12:44:29 AM
Dr David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders, telling them to stop "using lockdowns as your primary control method" of the coronavirus.
He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 14, 2020, 01:00:00 AM
 :joking:
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Many scientists, medical and legal professionals ( who are not  controlled by the global propaganda machine ) disagree with you.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: daydreamer on October 14, 2020, 09:31:06 AM
Dr David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders, telling them to stop "using lockdowns as your primary control method" of the coronavirus.
He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty.
Some people think the other "the who"  More appealing  :tongue: :badgrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
Dr David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders, telling them to stop "using lockdowns as your primary control method" of the coronavirus.
He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty.

That is a bit exaggerated but basically correct. However, Donald Dumb encourages his fans to forget about social distancing and face masks, which drives up the death toll in the U.S. dramatically but has nothing to do with a lockdown.

At present, the main sources of contagion, here in Italy but also elsewhere, are private parties. Two months ago it was the clubs (loud music, you have to shout to communicate - fantastic for the virus). They closed the discos, now young people gather in private places to do exactly the same: dance and shout, and of course without face masks.

Next to parties come crowded public transport. Since sport events are closed down for the public, what remains as a risk? Churches maybe. Prisons, of course - No.1 source in the U.S.; and meat factories. All the rest is negligible.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 14, 2020, 05:40:42 PM
Yesterday when I wandered around to my local coffee shop for the morning cappuccino, there was a family group outside the shop who appeared to have not heard about social distancing, it was like the "good old days" where they lived in each other's hip pocket and interacted at close range. Its morons like this that spread the contagion and it appears that they are unwilling to learn. Its pretty well under control here in Sydney but it only takes a few morons to spread it around again.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
If it was a family, where is the problem? They live together anyway...
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2020, 06:55:38 PM
The Elites have followed Mark Twains advice "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled".
Unfortunately with the exception of Trump and a few others, the vast majority of our so called "leaders" are proving themselves to be just mindless "followers" who are more concerned with their own political outcomes.

This virus was never the plague they pretended it was, it’s death rate is the same as seasonal flu. All viruses can cause complications, flu included.
It’s all they’ve got now so we’re going to hear a lot about it. Every time you hear about another nonsensical regulation just ask yourself, why are they doing this!

Yesterday, we have entered the next step of stricter lockdown rules, nothing else then to protect the political outcomes of our politicians.
Death rate at this moment is the same as previous years, The new rules are only based on PCR tests......

CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks.

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 14, 2020, 07:03:58 PM
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If it was a family, where is the problem? They live together anyway...
Families are a prime source of contagion.Also here there is need to respect what we call barrier measures.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
Poorly ventilated rooms are the cause. ( aerosols )
Daily mass protests and rallies around the world, where are those spikes in corona infections?

(http://members.home.nl/siekmanski/coviddoctor.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 14, 2020, 08:07:16 PM
https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/17/uk-govt-finally-admits-covid-statistics-are-inaccurate/

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 14, 2020, 11:54:29 PM
Families are a prime source of contagion

This is a fake problem, as you can't isolate family members from each other, at least not as a preventive measure involving the whole population of a country.

What can be done, though, is to eliminate the reasons why any member of the family gets the virus. The primary causes are nowadays known - in order of importance:
- prisons (#1 in the USA)
- meat factories (#1 in Germany and other EU states)
- hospitals and other sanitary structures (Italia, Sweden and others)
- nursery homes (Italia, Sweden and others)
- clubs/discos
- sport events
- concerts
- private parties

v v v much less relevant v v v
- churches, especially choirs
- public transport
- supermarkets
- schools with bad ventilation

Transmission in the open air is extremely rare, hundreds or thousands of times less than in closed rooms. Basically, you are at risk in a closed space where you stay longer than 5 minutes and people are speaking, singing or shouting. There is a reason why politicians and journalists are a high risk group.

You are also at high risk if you must touch others, like doctors or nurses who cure patients. Dentists are a high risk group, too, due to the aerosol generation when treating a tooth.

Face masks have a highly significant role in public transport, sanitary structures and supermarkets. They do not protect the wearer, but they protect others from his aerosols.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 17, 2020, 04:38:43 AM
 Donanld Dump support pedophilia as he chose Barret and was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein, until he have just to go away.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 17, 2020, 02:21:06 PM
There is some virtue in the historical European isolationist approach that came with strict church discipline, avoidance of "immoral" conduct and in fact any other close contact as it helped people survive the black death and other socially transferrable diseases. You may not want to live that way but it shore beat dying from such diseases.

The greatest risk is societies where everyone lives in each other's hip pocket, "family" interactions, large social gatherings and the like are the methods of transfer of diseases but the problem is solved by natural selection, the stupid die as do some of the innocent and those that survive usually don't make the same stupid mistakes as those who have passed on due to their own stupidity.

Read some of the history of the black death in Europe and you will get the idea.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 17, 2020, 06:50:39 PM
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Donanld Dump support pedophilia as he chose Barr and was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein, until he have just to go away.

Donald follow a middle age politic.
A bible in one hand,an evil schame in the other,and the church for absolution and social recognition.
He have also the same question than in the middle age,black are they human or not ?.
The evil shame is in Irak with the second illegal war made by the US army.
After the disaster of a second war,a change of government and an economic crise,the
place was free for a pure US product,Oussama ben Laden.
As this,the fire continue to embrase the region.
Millions of peoples can migrate or not searching a country less destroy.
All that isn't enough,now you have to blow on the embers.
Speak of peace,retire your troups and like this the vanquished are at the mercy of invaders.
Evil shame made in US.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 17, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Trump is a joke, and the U.S. have become a (still dangerous) joke thanks to him :cool:

Stats: WorldO (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries) (check Financial Times (https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=ita&areas=swe&areas=eur&areas=fra&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths), too)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 17, 2020, 07:26:57 PM
 :biggrin:

Swallowing "COVID-19 cases" propaganda is......   :thdn:
Just read what PCR testing is really about ...
What really matters are infection fatality rates. :cool:

< 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.  :arrow_left: !!!!!!!!!!!

Publication: Bulletin of the World Health Organization

Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data

John P A Ioannidis

Objective:
To estimate the infection fatality rate of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
from seroprevalence data.
Methods I searched PubMed and preprint servers for COVID-19 seroprevalence
studies with a sample size  500 as of 9 September, 2020. I also retrieved additional results
of national studies from preliminary press releases and reports. I assessed the studies for
design features and seroprevalence estimates. I estimated the infection fatality rate for
each study by dividing the number of COVID-19 deaths by the number of people estimated
to be infected in each region. I corrected for the number of antibody types tested
(immunoglobin, IgG, IgM, IgA).

Results:
I included 61 studies (74 estimates) and eight preliminary national
estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.02% to 53.40%. Infection fatality rates
ranged from 0.00% to 1.63%, corrected values from 0.00% to 1.54%. Across 51 locations,
the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%): the rate was
0.09% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rates less than the global average
(< 118 deaths/million), 0.20% in locations with 118–500 COVID-19 deaths/million people
and 0.57% in locations with > 500 COVID-19 deaths/million people. In people < 70 years,
infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of
0.05%.

Conclusion:
The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across
different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and casemix of infected and deceased patients and other factors.
The inferred infection fatality rates tended to be much lower than estimates made earlier in the pandemic.


https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 17, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
Comparing absolute data in countries with disparate populations is a bit of a cheat, isn't it?

https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/b2dca907-2fed-4f2a-ad5b-7194bc113811/page/lNqKB
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 17, 2020, 07:59:06 PM
The USA is playing the possibility of being able to express itself against the truth established by the Marxism of the XXI century, each time it will be more difficult to find a Candece Owens. One might wonder if, to this day, what this girl says could be freely said by a white person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQm6pAFm_lY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 17, 2020, 08:29:51 PM

Donald has made one another very stupid thing with the covid.
He had made a political question of the wearing of the mask.
After that,results coudn't be good there isn't need of many numbers to prove it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 17, 2020, 08:49:29 PM
Are data irrelevant to you?

Perhaps Trump is not the best possible candidate. I agree with the use of masks and avoid crowds, at least until I know how to handle all this. But Biden is not the alternative.

Basically Trump, despite his eccentricities, represents individual freedom, opening the economy, not closing businesses, which is what we have to fight for; while Biden for closing everything and that everyone depends on the state. That is definitely not the answer.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 17, 2020, 09:00:12 PM
Quote
represents individual freedom
There is some indivudals freedom that couldn't be supported.Killing black is one.
making his own police is one another.
Indivudal freedom is limited by the freedom of others.
Biden is just the one who know what he do in politic and can avoid the many stupid errors of donald.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 17, 2020, 10:13:13 PM
The USA is playing the possibility of being able to express itself against the truth established by the Marxism of the XXI century

Wow, what have you been smoking recently?  :greensml:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 17, 2020, 10:32:51 PM
I don't smoke, j, and you? (http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=8492.msg96646#msg96646)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: daydreamer on October 17, 2020, 11:27:32 PM
The USA is playing the possibility of being able to express itself against the truth established by the Marxism
except McCarthy,USA and USSR interpreted Marxism in two very different ways,comedy ala Marx Brothers and tragedy killing opposing politicians like the Tsar
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 18, 2020, 01:28:01 AM

In Marxism,there is no true.Marx wasn't very religious and the subject of his writing was evolution of the society.
He gone just after Darwin and it isn't a chance.
Conclusions that can be done with this are other things  and The concept of society evolution can be used by anybody .
Now,If you read the various reports of International Organisms as OIT,ONU ... you work as a marxist because you have
a good idea of what is the world evolution and activity.
Read the critical of Marx by Marx and you will understand what is marxisme,a study of the society evolution,nothing else.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 18, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
ONU and OIT are the two eyes of this world.
ONU show the movement of populations in the world.
OIT show what happen to workers in this world.
Donald election as been explain by further things.
US aren't pretty cool with those who have no employment.
People in precarity situation had seen a saver in donald with his employment program.
He had marked some very temporaly points on the subject.
This had been done at the price of a dangerous isolationnism.
His negationnism of the climate problem is also a dangerous consequence of it's choice for
the fossil energy (some employment had been created whith that ).
Donald had created a world reject of his politic with those measures and others.
Biden seem to benefit of this reject and had also added a little measure for employment
in his programm.
That can be also just very short and not enough to solve the precarity problem.
But it is better than to give the US at a dangerous foolish monkey.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 18, 2020, 09:46:40 PM
Look at the current achievements for the new world order, the population of many countries are under house arrest, financial transactions are now mainly electronic or with credit cards as the cash economy is risky for disease transmission, vast numbers of people have no job and no income, police forces acting like the Gestapo and politicians are passing the buck for their many PHUKUPS while passing draconian legislation to keep the less than happy population under control.

Someone somewhere is funding the massive attacks against so many societies by exploiting a wide range of divisive techniques between people of different racial origins, LBGT divisions, political differences, different religions and its all aimed at one target, breaking existing societies to take them over with globalist control ambitions.

Then we have international main stream media doing everything they can to whip up hysteria about the disease risk when it is well known that it has much the same severity as seasonal influenza. If health was the issue, the money would be spent in age care facilities where most of the risk occurs but the epidemic is an issue of control, not health, those who want to keep the level of control could not care less about old timers dying from infections.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 19, 2020, 04:21:11 AM
financial transactions are now mainly electronic or with credit cards
It has become easier to track people's spending. This doesn't happen with real money.
How, when and what we spend turned into advertising data. A game of marked cards.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 19, 2020, 05:09:04 AM
@mineiro

Being what you say important, currently, avoiding payment in cash is done mainly to prosecute "tax fraud." Given high taxes and declining business activity, many small businesses survive by avoiding paying taxes by accepting cash payments, saving taxes from this payment. Something that would seem "unsupportive" is the option to save companies from bankruptcy and, therefore, expel workers from the labor market, who will become dependent on the state, which will stop entering direct taxes on their payroll.

There will be those who say that nothing happens, the state will take care of their payroll. The Spanish state has been bankrupt for years, as well as most of the southern European states. They are basically financed by issuing debt that the ECB buys. If the ECB stopped buying debt, there would automatically be a sovereign bankruptcy. Far from understanding this problem, governments are only increasing it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 19, 2020, 05:23:11 AM
Globalists spread fear with Covid-19 and Climate change, scared people can't apply logic and common sense.
Is this not a system of control?

One thing is for sure, corona is very dangerous for the flu, where is the flu?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 19, 2020, 05:29:17 AM
One thing is for sure, corona is very dangerous for the flu, where is the flu?
:joking:

Yeah, corona must have eaten it  :biggrin:. Today, nobody has flu
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 19, 2020, 08:33:14 AM
Fitness influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk has died at 33 years old after testing positive for coronavirus, having previously doubted the existence of the virus. (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html)

Three days ago, Mr Stuzhuk, from Ukraine, shared a post on Instagram updating his 1.1 million followers on his condition
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 20, 2020, 05:26:54 AM
What people think after these (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/19/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-coronavirus/index.html) speaks.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 20, 2020, 05:44:51 AM
Fitness influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk has died at 33 years old after testing positive for coronavirus, having previously doubted the existence of the virus. (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html)

Three days ago, Mr Stuzhuk, from Ukraine, shared a post on Instagram updating his 1.1 million followers on his condition

Fake news.
He didn't deny covid-19 but his wife Sofia did.
He died of heart failure.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 20, 2020, 05:54:41 AM
What people think after these (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/19/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-coronavirus/index.html) speaks.

Didn't know Fauci is 500 years old.  :biggrin:

What a liar Trump is, I think we are better of with this guy.  :joking:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HKve915JPU

Why To Vote For Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSj6E-PpHA
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 20, 2020, 11:15:45 AM
Fake news.
He didn't deny covid-19 but his wife Sofia did.
He died of heart failure.

You should sue The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/dmitriy-stuzhuk-who-fitness-influencer-who-has-died-covid-19-after-saying-it-didnt-exist-and-what-his-ex-wife-sofia-stuzhuk-has-said-3008136) (and many, many others) for such fake news:

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He said: "I want to share how I got sick and to strongly warn everyone.

"I was one who thought that Covid does not exist...until I got sick.

"COVID-19 IS NOT A SHORT-LIVED DISEASE! And it is heavy."

In a post confirming his death, Sofia Stuzhuk wrote: “For the rest of my life I will remain grateful to you for our three beautiful children.”

“For all the invaluable experience. And for who I have become with you.”

Ms Stuzhuk also suggested that she had tried to take the virus more seriously.

“God, I am so sad that you didn’t listen to me about your health,” she wrote.

But we always respected each other’s choices.

“We were no longer together, but it hurts me no less.”

Re Fauci, what exactly do you mean?

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A frustrated and at times foul-mouthed President Donald Trump claimed on a campaign call that people are tired of hearing about the deadly pandemic which has killed more than 215,000 Americans and trashed Dr. Anthony Fauci as a "disaster" who has been around for "500 years."

Referring to Fauci and other health officials as "idiots," Trump declared the country ready to move on from the health disaster, even as cases are again spiking and medical experts warn the worst may be yet to come.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 20, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
People croak* from the strangest of things and there is no doubt that some younger folks have passed away from the current infection but by far the greatest risk is very old people in age care facilities yet they don't matter in this ugly grasp for power, its CONTROL that matters, Greta could not do it, accusation of terrorism and child porn did not do it so the current excuse for CONTROL is keeping you safe with the Gestapo style policing that has happened around the world.

Fine little old ladies, curfews, gung ho pigz, politicians tripping over each other trying to look like they can solve the problem with the draconian laws to keep ordinary citizens under the thumb and they wonder why no-one takes them seriously any longer, just another dirty grab for power while trying to get re-elected.

Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 20, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
One american on six (1/6) will need  package food to survive.Another victory of donald,America Fisrt.
"food stamps nation"
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 20, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
Yesterday, I was watching a recent speech of Trump in Georgia. Turned on subtitles and enjoied it for a while. I like how he calls to Joe Biden: "Sleepy Joe Biden" :greensml:, the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics. Hey I am under pressure if I lose against the worst candidate in the history.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 20, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
If donald is in verve for insults and lies,he is very less  talkative on his program.
The next debat beetween Biden and donald will be done with micros cut at each turn of speaking.
The donald camp don't like that because this stop the cacophony.
Wait and see the next shut down of donald.
Title: Birthday celebration
Post by: jj2007 on October 27, 2020, 08:44:50 PM
Trump or Biden, does it make any difference? (http://www.mctxsheriff.org/news_detail_T6_R699.php)

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Family and friends had gathered earlier to celebrate the birthday of the three year old, and while playing cards, heard a gunshot. The child was located with a gunshot wound to the chest. During the investigation, it was learned the child found the pistol after it fell out of a family member's pocket. The child was rushed to a nearest fire station where he succumbed to his wounds
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 28, 2020, 12:40:27 AM
That's one way to keep the population down. The alternative is to disarm the population so the police can kill more people. If I remember correctly, the Swiss have the highest gun ownership ratio yet one of the lowest murder rates. While the US gets lots of criticism for its gun laws and lobby, instead of cherry picking which countries are included in lists, try central to south America to see some real numbers.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 28, 2020, 12:58:27 AM
Trump or Biden, does it make any difference? (http://www.mctxsheriff.org/news_detail_T6_R699.php)

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Family and friends had gathered earlier to celebrate the birthday of the three year old, and while playing cards, heard a gunshot. The child was located with a gunshot wound to the chest. During the investigation, it was learned the child found the pistol after it fell out of a family member's pocket. The child was rushed to a nearest fire station where he succumbed to his wounds

This is of course really tragic, let's ban motor vehicles too.
More children die in motor vehicle accidents than in firearms accidents.

It's a difficult choice, living in freedom or vote for Buy-den and wake up in China 2.0

Look at his most recent rally  :joking:

https://youtu.be/aGRD4guBGAo?t=112

You really want this guy to be your leader?  :greensml:

https://youtu.be/MCps5fMED3Q?t=113

https://youtu.be/y3pwNG_d--A
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 28, 2020, 02:39:10 AM

 :greenclp:
In france we are strict with weapons and there is many less in circulation.
The result is a number of death by weapons divide by 50.
The supporters of trump had nothing to do with those facts.
How can we look those supporters as?,I let you search.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 28, 2020, 03:04:42 AM
If I remember correctly, the Swiss have the highest gun ownership ratio yet one of the lowest murder rates. While the US gets lots of criticism for its gun laws and lobby, instead of cherry picking which countries are included in lists, try central to south America to see some real numbers.

The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448):
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Swiss gun-related death rates are the highest in Europe. The figure for the U.S. is three times higher than that for Switzerland.

Yes, Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership - military equipment stored safely in the house, not colts that accidentally fall out of a pocket so that a toddler can grab it to play with and shoot himself.

As to South America, that's correct, but I tend to compare OECD countries with each other. And among OECD countries, the U.S. are the extreme outlier both for gun victims and for prison population. They are also an outlier for life expectancy, which is another interesting story.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TimoVJL on October 28, 2020, 05:43:26 AM
Switzerland is welfare state, US not ?
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: mineiro on October 28, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
Life expectancy is not closely linked to disarmament or weaponry. In the USA, about 1 in 18 family parents use drugs. Drugs, narcotics, pills are killing more than guns, social breakdown.

I doubt that Hitler would have managed to come to power and impose himself if the German population had been armed, history tells the contrary, they were unarmed, hence the control over society.

I am in favor of arms, if you are not, put a sign on the door of your house: "In this house there are no weapons".

In Latin America, thieves, militias, drug traffickers and bandits have weapons, almost entirely illegally. The result is about 70 thousand deaths per year in Brazil alone. However, here we are unarmed and voting is mandatory, not optional.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 28, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Disarming a society has always been a political power grab policy and where private ownership of firearms is banned, you have a corresponding rise in authoritarian police states as they are in a position where they can abuse their authority with impunity. The old US constitution enshrined the right to bear arms to protect their citizens from exactly this scenario and while many forces in the US would like to disarm their society, their constitution protects them from this woke bullsh*t.

Now regarding the endless claims of how the US is knee deep in firearm deaths, remove the cherry picking of which countries are being compared and look at the world scale and you will see that the US is a long way from being at the top of the list. I don't have the world stats handy but parts of central and south America make the US look like a Sunday School Picnic and there are a number of African and Asian countries that are in the same class.

Once you have political control, you disarm the country then send in your own Gestapo to bully, threaten and murder whoever they like while controlling the media to tell the patsies that they are safe and well treated and the economy is doing well. The population is then told to appreciate how their political leaders have taken such good care of them and made society a safe place again. What they are not telling you is what happened to any who expressed dissent.

Some of the solutions have been very novel. One country in south America used to take them for a helicopter ride out to sea then throw them out, others have had concentration camps where they use them as slave labour until they drop dead from exhaustion and starvation. The example that made the Nazis blush was the collection of camps along the river Sava in WW2 where the Ustasha did the most appalling things to their victims, Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Jews, Gypsies and anyone else they did not like.

As a humerous aside, Tito's forces levelled the score towards the end of the war by massacring as many of the Ustasha as they could find. An even funnier tale was from a Montenegrin Serb who emigrated to south America after WW2. He saw Ante Pavelic in his new country so he obtained a revolver and shot Pavelic a number of times. He did not die immediately, it took months and he eventually died in Spain from infections. Some bastards deserve to die in misery, Pavelic was one of them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 28, 2020, 09:55:43 AM
Disarming a society has always been a political power grab policy and where private ownership of firearms is banned, you have a corresponding rise in authoritarian police states as they are in a position where they can abuse their authority with impunity.

Absolutely! The extreme example is the United Kingdom, of course. Clearly an authoritarian police state :cool:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 28, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
I have no doubt there are many in the UK that would agree with the proposition that the UK is an authoritarian police state.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: TouEnMasm on October 28, 2020, 07:23:37 PM

Donald don't need to explain too much it's program.
There is just to see what happen in the US,the guns take the power.
Donald program is clear,soluce the black problem with that and put in place a fascism at american sauce.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 28, 2020, 10:14:33 PM
Inside Joe Biden's corruption scandal and the social media cover-up

A special senate investigation has detailed how the son of presidential hopeful Joe Biden may have used his father’s position in the White House to amass wealth and power.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs published the report titled ‘Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Corruption: The Impact on US Government Policy and Related Concerns’.
This 87-page document which examines possible conflicts of interest in foreign business while Joe Biden was vice president in Barack Obama’s administration.
The report found that the Obama administration knew Hunter Biden’s presence on the board of the corrupt Ukrainian energy company Burisma was “problematic” and “interfered” in the “execution of policy” with Ukraine.
The allegations are extraordinary – so much so that social media giants Facebook and Twitter sought to censor the story to stop it reaching voters in a manner Republicans have labelled brazen "election interference".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5649FAF3_ws

Tony Bobulinski, ex-Hunter Biden associate, speaks out on Joe Biden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLfBRgeFFo

Tony Bobulinski Full Interview with Tucker Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pg8yFvUD8I
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 29, 2020, 12:09:21 AM
Inside Joe Biden's corruption scandal and the social media cover-up

A special senate investigation... social media giants Facebook and Twitter sought to censor the story to stop it reaching voters

Oh year, censorship!! About 10,500,000 Google hits for senate investigation hunter biden, that is clearly worth a conspiration theory :greensml:

As for Biden senior, I find him disgusting, but I suspect that Biden junior's scandal is pretty harmless in comparison to what the Trump family is running, including Jared Kushner

https://www.vox.com/21527215/hunter-biden-jared-ivanka-eric-don-junior
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/19/opinion/enough-about-hunter-biden-what-about-ivanka-trump/

Hunter Biden is a nepotistic slouch compared to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner (https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/01/28/hunter-biden-slouch-compared-ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushner/4594904002/)
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It took Hunter Biden five years to collect $3 million.

Ivanka, unlike Hunter, has a job inside the White House.

And so, too, does her hubby Kushner.

The two of them, senior advisers to the president, reported an income last year of up to $135 million, which included the kind of foreign entanglements that should scream conflict of interest.

That level of profiteering should put Ivanka and Jared in the Nepotism Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: hutch-- on October 29, 2020, 02:35:28 AM
 :biggrin:

What's new about an American election scraping up all the dirt they can find to throw at each other. The targets are just "business as usual".  :tongue:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 29, 2020, 03:46:36 AM
I need more popcorn....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 29, 2020, 04:10:15 AM
Marinus, you should buy it in quantities. Plus toilet paper, chips, canned ravioli, ...  :bgrin:

Source: Financial Times (https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=ita&areas=eur&areas=deu&areas=nld&areas=gbr&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&byDate=0&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=cases)
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: Siekmanski on October 29, 2020, 05:58:57 AM
 :biggrin:
Nahh... popcorn will do.

Our government is going crazy, fully in stupid mode.
They have changed the PCR markers from 3 to 1 and the PCR cycles from 30 to 35.
As you can see in the trend you showed us, the number of Dutch false positives is increasing at a rapid pace. ( what a coincidence  :bgrin: )
The only thing missing from this trend is the very small number of Covid-19 deaths.
Most infected people in ICU's have Rhino virus.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 29, 2020, 09:26:05 AM
The new normality

Spain is a country maintained by the ECB based on the purchase of debt, that is, bankrupt. The communist social government does not seem to be very clear about Montesquieu's separation of powers, the president of the government boasts that the state attorney general depends on him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDsPfoE_a4). Not content with that, he intends to change the law to renew the judiciary by himself (https://elpais.com/espana/2020-09-30/sanchez-sopesa-cambiar-la-ley-para-renovar-el-poder-judicial-sin-el-pp.html). But the most serious of all is the submission of the opposition to the government.

As he is already the Sun King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV), it is allowed to decree a state of alarm with a curfew included between 0:00 and 6:00 for 6 months (https://elpais.com/espana/2020-10-25/sanchez-aprueba-un-nuevo-estado-de-alarma-para-toda-espana-con-intencion-de-que-se-prolongue-hasta-el-9-de-mayo.html). I say that the objective would be to do it for the shortest time possible and review it to lift it as soon as possible if it is really necessary. In addition to that, it does not allow meetings of more than 6 people. Well, all these restrictions only apply to the common people, not to them, recently a well-known newspaper organizing a luxury party attended by 150 people, members of governments and the opposition, without security measures (https://www.libertaddigital.com/espana/2020-10-27/coronavirus-estado-de-alarma-toque-de-queda-iila-tres-ministros-cupula-pp-macrofiesta-pedro-j-ramirez-150-invitados-6674484/).

I wonder if the government has done everything possible to prevent a new spread of the virus, in which case it would be entitled to ask the population for this effort to contain their individual rights. What is clear is that they do not comply with their restrictions.

This video shows that there is no type of control at Madrid airport (https://twitter.com/anadebande/status/1313165928423731200).

Regarding immigration, the same, no control. In recent months, the Canary Islands have been receiving a strong African immigration flow, which are leading to luxury hotels (https://www.eleconomista.es/canarias/noticias/10760787/09/20/El-Gobierno-sigue-mandando-a-ilegales-a-hoteles-de-Canarias.html). Meanwhile, the queues of people in Spain demanding a bag of food from charity grow (https://www.libremercado.com/2020-10-24/modelos-azafatas-periodistas-famosos-hosteleros-coronavirus-colas-del-hambre-6673464/).

And then why don't people protest on the street? Well, because the professionals of the demonstrations have not yet been touched: civil servants and pensioners. The government plans to increase their salary by 0.9% in 2021, while the national economy goes into a tailspin (https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2020/10/26/economia/1603723262_149612.html).

Well, this is the socialism that Mr. Biden seems to represent. Good luck.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: jj2007 on October 29, 2020, 11:46:56 AM
Canary Islands have been receiving a strong African immigration flow

Few people realise that Fuerteventura il less than 100 km away from Africa. Colonies always pose such problems.
Title: Re: Donald Trump
Post by: caballero on October 29, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
What you say with such conviction is not close to the truth
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/amz/worldservice/live/assets/images/2013/10/15/131015171254_mapa_migracion_africa_europa_624x351_imap_nocredit.jpg

Lampedusa
https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/internacional/2020/07/26/lampedusa-vive-situacion-insostenible-masiva-llegada-inmigrantes-1387958.html

Colonies at present according to the UN:
https://manepedia.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/colonias-la-lista-oficial/#:~:text=Las%2016%20colonias%20listadas%20por,%3A%20Nueva%20Caledonia%20(1).