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Title: Does love exist?
Post by: caballero on February 28, 2022, 04:59:03 AM
Interesting title, right? I read this afternoon two curious news.

On the one hand, El País (https://www.prisa.com/en), which is one of the largest information media in Spain, with great political influence (left), publishes an interview with a philosopher who states:

Quote from: https://twitter.com/el_pais/status/1497928821374341121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497928821374341121%7Ctwgr%5Ehb_0_8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eldiestro.es%2F2022%2F02%2Flo-pais-llama-meretrices-a-las-mujeres-casadas%2F
Women have prostituted themselves in marriages and without charge: you married so that someone could support you, in exchange you gave them sexual favors, offspring. Let's begin to recognize that this has been structural for all of us.

The philosopher appears in the image with a satisfied smile.

That is to say, that love seems to have never existed, only interest. Does it mean that women become prostitutes and men are pack mules whose only goal in life is to work to support the woman who has generously approached their lives?


On the other hand, I came across a curious piece of news related in some way to this one, from another media of the Prisa group media outlets, in this case, the SER radio station (https://www.prisa.com/en/info/webs-publi-1):

Quote from: https://cadenaser.com/2022/02/25/ucrania-prohibe-salir-del-pais-a-los-hombres-de-entre-18-a-60-anos-y-la-television-ensena-como-hacer-cocteles-molotov/
Ukraine prohibits men between the ages of 18 and 60 leaving the country and television teaches how to make Molotov cocktails

So I ask myself, could it be that women don't love their country? Could it be that they do not know how to prepare a Molotov cocktail? Or is it that the sacrifice of dying for their country is left to men?


What is love?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: daydreamer on February 28, 2022, 05:05:57 AM
ask that to "Love" the swedish man,who has "Love" with different pronouncation,but same spelling as english Love as name,how he feels about philosophical question if Love exists  :tongue:   
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: Vortex on February 28, 2022, 05:11:14 AM
Hi caballero,

Interesting and difficult subject. I think there is not an universal answer. Probably, the evolution working since millions of years found out a way to bring together males and females. Love could be an instrument here for this purpose. Our civilization shaped up with a lot of pain and today's mass multimedia is bombarding us with the issues of love. Different cultures, different point of viewes and different replies to your question.

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Geography is destiny.

Ibn Khaldun of Tunisia
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: hutch-- on February 28, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
 :biggrin:

Sounds like the philosopher has not been laid recently. At a world level, the spectrum is massive, from sex slavery for reproduction to true passion that lasts for a lifetime. My grandparents, both Bolsheviks, were married in 1921 and got on well all of their lives. I remember as a kid that their sport was arguing with each other but they were solid, never batted an eyelid and lasted until they died.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: caballero on February 28, 2022, 09:29:13 PM
 :biggrin: It's possible.

What I'm sure she does have is a good subsidy of public money for the feminist bullshit that she expels.

She seems to have written a book on
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how to rebuild yourself when you 'kill' the fascist whom so many women have loved and adored.

Understand 'kill' in a metaphorical sense, such as divorce or separation, I guess. But maybe I see a small contradiction when she says that women marry only to be supported and then she affirms that they 'kill' the fascist they loved and adored so much.

I love the indiscriminate use of the term "fascist". Especially for referring to the male.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: Mikl__ on March 26, 2022, 08:22:24 PM
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My grandparents, both Bolsheviks, were married in 1921
Hi hutch--!
Your grandma and granddad were Bolsheviks and went to Australia from Soviet Russia? This is very unexpected...
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: hutch-- on March 26, 2022, 09:11:32 PM
Not exactly, my grandfather had just returned from WW1 in Palestine and later Turkey. He was a union rep here in OZ and politically a Bolshevik. There was an early Communist party here in OZ and both were members. As a young kid I remember my grandmother listening to "Radio Peking" (later in Chinese Beijing).
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: Mikl__ on March 26, 2022, 09:39:59 PM
my great-grandfather returned from WWI in 1918, my grandmother told me that her father (my great-grandfather) played the flute in the  military band
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2022, 02:22:14 AM
my grandmother and grandfather lived in peace in sweden,when war was all around us
I follow in my grandfathers steps also sketching
hutch does that mean your grandparents was skilled in chinese?
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: TimoVJL on March 27, 2022, 03:10:18 AM
my grandmother lost her husband in WW2 and who to blame ?
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: hutch-- on March 27, 2022, 08:26:13 AM
Magnus,

The 1950s Radio Peking was in English. The early Australian communist party had little to do with ideology and much more to do with equity for people who worked for a living. My grandfather was a union representative and my grandmother was what was called in OZ, a "red Matilda".
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: Mikl__ on March 27, 2022, 07:39:33 PM
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my grandmother lost her husband in WW2 and who to blame ?
Timo,
Is Putin to blame in it?
Finland was an ally of the Third Reich in 1941-1944. Or is it not written about in Finnish historical learnbooks? And with whom did Finland wage the Lapland War in 1944-45?
Finnish troops blockaded Leningrad from the north, while German troops blocked Leningrad from the south. As a result of the 900 days blockade and famine in Leningrad, more than 1 million people died. Are there Finnish blames in it?
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: TimoVJL on March 27, 2022, 10:32:13 PM
@Mikhael
I blame Stalin and Hitler
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: Mikl__ on March 27, 2022, 11:04:18 PM
Timo,
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheimin was to blame in it (https://wasm.in/styles/smiles_s/drinks.gif) Toivommа teille rauhaa ja onnellista elämää!
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: TimoVJL on March 27, 2022, 11:37:31 PM
I didn't know, that he started WW2 :tongue:
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: K_F on June 03, 2022, 06:58:35 AM
@Mikhael
I blame Stalin and Hitler
Follow the money and you'll find the real culprits.
Both Hitler and Stalin were mere pawns, who without the money.. would have no power.  :wink2:
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: elliot15 on August 06, 2022, 05:05:35 AM
This is one of those philosophical questions that can be put in the same category as the following "Can predestination and free will coexist?"
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: NoCforMe on August 06, 2022, 08:13:39 AM
Follow the money and you'll find the real culprits.
Both Hitler and Stalin were mere pawns, who without the money.. would have no power.  :wink2:

I think it's an extreme stretch to say they were "pawns".

OTOH, they certainly did have their enablers. Perhaps that's what you really meant to write.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: hutch-- on August 06, 2022, 08:29:43 AM
They were different animals, Hitler was able to raise money via industrialists in Germany and dragged germany out of the great depression years before most other countries where Stalin was a communist party machine man who climbed up through the ranks and eventually became the head honcho.

Its probably fair to say that neither were nice guys.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: jj2007 on August 06, 2022, 10:13:10 AM
I think it's an extreme stretch to say they were "pawns".

Agreed.

They were different animals, Hitler was able to raise money via industrialists in Germany and dragged germany out of the great depression years before most other countries where Stalin was a communist party machine man who climbed up through the ranks and eventually became the head honcho.

Its probably fair to say that neither were nice guys.  :tongue:

Agreed. Stalin's case is a bit different ("party machine"), but Hitler and Mussolini were never pawns. They first mobilised great masses of people, and because of that became interesting for Big Money. "Pawn" is simply the wrong word. They were leaders, the exact opposite of a pawn. Today we have Salvini and Meloni, but that's yet another story.

One could debate whether "pawn" is the right term for Sleepy Joe. Without a Billion dollars of donations for his election campaign, he would never have become POTUS. Roosevelt's MIC has its hands on all recent American presidents, of course. Some tried to be somewhat independent (Carter, Obama, Trump?), but with a "debt" of one Billion US$, no POTUS is free to decide anything.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: NoCforMe on August 09, 2022, 09:22:54 AM
Actually, Biden's a different case. (I'm in the USA! USA!, btw.)

I've been saying since last year that nobody voted for Joe Biden; they voted against Trump.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: hutch-- on August 09, 2022, 09:27:26 AM
I always like Joe Biden but he is looking like he is past it and that other thing he is saddled with as VP has mastered the art of not only putting her foot in her mouth but managing to put both feet in her mouth.
Title: Re: Does love exist?
Post by: NoCforMe on August 09, 2022, 10:07:24 AM
The problem is the Democratic Party's inability to come up with valid candidates that people would actually want to vote for. That was the problem in 2016, not the made-up story of Russian (or Wikileaks') meddling in the election.

Like the old saying goes, if god had intended for us to vote, he would have given us candidates.