Conspiracy theories can be dangerous

[Siekmanski]

  

In a crazy World, logical thinkers are very dangerous people! 

UNESCO says it is seriously concerned about the increase in 'disinformation' and 'conspiracy theories'. “Conspiracy theories can be dangerous,” the UN agency warns.
“Often they ignore scientific evidence and polarize society with dire consequences. This has to stop."

The director-general of UNESCO says that conspiracy theories can "damage people, their health".
“They reinforce misconceptions about the pandemic, reinforcing stereotypes that can fuel violence and violent, extremist ideologies,” said Audrey Azoulay.

The UN agency has launched a real campaign to help people recognize, debunk and report (!) conspiracy theories (!) to prevent them from spreading further.

Yes really. 

This campaign is being carried out in collaboration with the European Commission, Twitter and the World Jewish Congress.
The UN has created a toolkit to "debunk" anyone who dares to claim that governments are not fair and transparent.
The UN also warns that George Soros, the Rothschilds and Israel should not be linked to “alleged conspiracies.”
World events "are not secretly manipulated behind the scenes by powerful players with evil intentions," the UN claims.

And if you come across someone who thinks the world elite is plotting to consolidate power or direct events, then you need to take action!
According to the UN agency, if you run into a conspiracy theorist, under no circumstances should you enter into a discussion.
The conspiracy theorist will say 'that you are part of the conspiracy and strengthen that belief'.
In addition, the conspiracy theorist will "probably defend his or her ideas fervently."
That is of course out of the question.

Instead, you should "show empathy", "don't ridicule" the conspiracy theorist, and if you're a journalist, you should "report" him or her on social media and "contact your local or national press council or ombudsman."

https://en.unesco.org/themes/gced/thinkbeforesharing

So you know:
UN declares war on 'dangerous' conspiracy theories: 'World is not secretly run by elites' 

[jj2007]

The WEF wants us to work less - they portray Italy as a paradise for lazy people, and the Netherlands as a mediocre country where people work too much (pig farmers included). This is a dangerous conspiration theory, where can I signal it to the authorities?

[Siekmanski]

 

> they portray Italy as a paradise for lazy people, and the Netherlands as a mediocre country where people work too much.

That's not a conspiracy theory, just your interpretation.

BTW, Italy received 70 billion euros as a gift, of which 4 billion from the Netherlands. Because of corona.
Now they are renovating their houses with our money. 

[hutch--]

Hi Marinus,

Sounds like they are trying to establish the "Ministry Of Truth" where those in authority know all things and control thought on the basis of their infallibility. Now where have I heard this before ? If you have a good grasp of the middle ages Catholic church history, you could come close to an authoritarian structure of this type but then that style of thought control came unstuck in subsequent generations of enlightenment and the modern Catholic church is a far more moderate institution than from times past.

Now it would appear that some of nominal Jewish persuasion are trying to take up the mantle of thought control. This is evident with the interests that Marinus has mentioned, George Soros, the Rothschilds and Israel. One can only wonder who'se interests are being served with such attempts at thought control.

Lets look at a recent conspiracy theory, we know that George W Bush and Colin Powell always spoke the truth when it came to those weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein had available because they were people in positions of authority but the same weapons of mass destruction have persistently managed to keep hiding from anyone who went looking for them.

With the last 80 years of reported UFO sightings, you have conspiracy theories ranging from smart weather balloons capable of causing mass hallucinations that fooled a wide range of people and a whole range of cock and bull stories about how people were fooled by lighting conditions.

When whichever group succeeds in thought control, you will be able to hear things like - Babies are delivered by the stork at midnight, the moon is made of Swiss cheese, politician always speak truthfully and worse, you will have nothing and be happy (about being cold, hungry, expendable etc etc etc ....). 

[caballero]

> debunk and report (!) conspiracy theories

Neighbors can report anonymously, even your children, to be a good citizen. This has already been seen in totalitarian regimes.

Suppose there were harmful conspiracy theories, this should be fought with information and openness, never persecution, if we want to live in a free and democratic society.



> Italy as a paradise for lazy people, and the Netherlands as a mediocre country

The truth is that the countries of southern Europe are bankrupt and live exclusively by issuing debt bought by the ECB. This means that the countries of northern Europe, with better economies, are who are buying our debt, we are socializing throughout Europe the waste of the south. They are keeping us from our standard of living.

I am surprised to see how we have reached this situation in southern Europe, being heirs to the Greco-Roman culture. When northern Europe was a barbarian people, democracy, mathematics, architecture, philosophy already existed in Greece... Really, jj, what has happened to us? I think that in the south we could contribute much more to Europe if we ever get rid of the populists who submit the people to the state in exchange for a small payment.

[jj2007]

BTW, Italy received 70 billion euros as a gift, of which 4 billion from the Netherlands. Because of corona.
Now they are renovating their houses with our money. 

BTW, it's a loan, not a gift, and Italy is a net contributor to the EU, just before the Netherlands.

(Hey, I just debunked Marinus' conspiracy theory! Do I get a prime for that?)

[hutch--]

The curse of Europe is the Euro, where many countries could set their own exchange rate, they did OK but once linked into the Euro, it worked for rich countries like German and France by dropping the Euro value for export, but crippled the poorer countries and left them in a situation where they just keep getting further into debt.

The solution, each country goes back to its own currency not linked to the Euro. Pesos, Franks, Drachmas, Deutchmarks etc ....

A country like Greece could then set its exchange rate based of its produce and tourism, not an inflated value like the Euro that serves countries that are heavily industrialised.

[jj2007]

The solution, each country goes back to its own currency not linked to the Euro. Pesos, Franks, Drachmas, Deutchmarks etc ....

Absolutely, a great solution! It's a shame that New York and California have to help out the poor have-nots in Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Texas and similar sh*tholes! We'll get quickly used to California dollars (Cal$), NY$, Ark$, Ala$, Ida$, Tex$ etc

(I can't nominate you for the Nobel Prize in economics because there is none)


Source: Abbasi786786 - CC BY-SA 4.0

P.S.: If that sounds too complicated, one could use only two variants, red and blue dollars:

[Siekmanski]

BTW, Italy received 70 billion euros as a gift, of which 4 billion from the Netherlands. Because of corona.
Now they are renovating their houses with our money. 

BTW, it's a loan, not a gift, and Italy is a net contributor to the EU, just before the Netherlands.

(Hey, I just debunked Marinus' conspiracy theory! Do I get a prime for that?)

No, you don't. 

The Corona recovery fund simply means that Italy will receive 200 billion from the EU, of which 70 billion is a gift.

Dutch parliament, Debunked Jochen at 2:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wps0An3-ig8

[jj2007]

The Corona recovery fund simply means that Italy will receive 200 billion from the EU, of which 70 billion is a gift.

It would be great if economy were so simple ;-)

[Siekmanski]

I wish that was true. 

Who pays the most per person......
Who contributes more than it recieves.....

https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2016/50/netherlands-largest-net-contributor-eu-this-century


Payment to the European Union per capita; The Dutch pay the most - Chart: European Commission 12 dec 2018

https://50pluspartij.nl/actueel/2816-europa-begroting-eurolanden-debat-12-december-2018

[TimoVJL]

Economic and Budgetary Outlook for the European Union 2022
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2022/698897/EPRS_STU(2022)698897_EN.pdf

[hutch--]

 

JJ,

I think you will find that they all use the California or New York dollar. In the US there are poor folks in every state, if you are black or hispanic or any other poor minority group in New York, you can be a s cold and hungry as anyone else anywhere else. The level of coherance in the US is different to the hotch potch in Europe where you have basically tribal warfare between countries that are supposed to be allies.

Forcing Greece to be bound by the Euro trashed their economy, much the same in Spain and Portugal as their economies are structured differently and while having poor countries helping to keep the value of the Euro down for export reasons, it forced them into terrible debt that probably can never be paid back.

If Greece told the EU to go phuk itself and reintroduced the Drachma, their exchange rate would be based on the overall economies performance, not a currency value that worked to the advantage of the big industrial countries.

[jj2007]

the hotch potch in Europe where you have basically tribal warfare between countries that are supposed to be allies.

It's not that bad, Hutch, just the Netherlands, Poland and Hungary. All the others get along quite well.

[caballero]

@Hutch

I disagree, and the example is Ireland. While the per capita income levels of both countries were similar not so many years ago. Ireland knew how to seize the opportunity of the EU, while Spain did not. Now Ireland triples that of Spain.

https://datosmacro.expansion.com/paises/comparar/irlanda/espana?sc=XE15