Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike

[hutch--]

 

After the kneejerk media response to missiles landing in Poland, it seems that the missiles were launched by Ukraine, not Russia.

Now this raises an unusual situation, while NATO has been backing Ukraine, if a NATO member country is attacked by a non Nato country, they are supposed to act collectively to defend the member country. That means that with Poland being attacked, NATO are supposed to act to protect Poland.

I would not hold your breath waining for this to happen but could you imagine, Ukraine being attacked by NATO from the west while Russia continues its attack from the east ? Perhaps they could meet in the middle. 

[TimoVJL]

If an old russian made S-300 system fails to defend a russian cruise missile, all bad might happen.
EDIT:
From what direction a those russian cruise missiles came, from Belarus air space ?
Just follow those trajectories.
I am very stupid, but i just think, that what Belarus hide ?

Just let wiser persons to explain that for me.

[hutch--]

 

The rumour mills around various parts of the world suggest that Zelensky was trying to get NATO to fight his war for him by shooting a missile into Poland. Then blame the missile strike on the Russians and start WW3.

As Zelensky sucks Europe and the US dry in terms of taxpayers money and military equipment, is it any wonder that both the US and Europe are getting cold feet when it comes to pumping more money and equipment into Ukraine when all it does is give the Russians more junk to destroy.

The only winners I can see are the American military/industrial complex who are getting massive orders for military hardware and even if the Russians splatter it, they still get paid. Europe is going bust due to sanctions agains Russia AND draining much of their own military equipment into Ukraine, I wonder when this nonsense will stop ?

Can anyone imagine what a serious war would be like between NATO and Russia ? Decimate and depopulate the Baltic countries, flatten the bulk of Europe apart from isolated enclaves, major cities and ports in the US and that is apart from any damage done across Russia.

Someone in the west needs to come to their senses and pull the plug before a serious war starts. On the bright side (if you are a bug) is the bugs will inherit the world.

[daydreamer]

Isn't full scale war already showed in  1983 "war games" movie?
And nowadays military cyber training equipment might let you train that kind of scenario?
Seen on TV the participants they trained in cyberspace anti terrorist squad training

Are you sure it's the bugs?
Imagine automated factories on both sides continue to deliver new battle drones + fully automated battle drones keep on fighting the war after humans is extinct,including leaders that have the authority to press battle drones remote off switch?

[caballero]

I don't see anything new that would make me change my original idea that the EU should have put all the effort into stopping the war as soon as it started. Instead, all parties seem very interested in continuing with it. The bottom line is that the friends of foreign goods, who dominate the West, also want to dominate the East, and do not seem willing to give it up so easily.

Lately, though, I've heard that Biden is starting to push Zelensky to discuss a ceasefire with Russia.

[TimoVJL]

I wonder when this nonsense will stop ?

Perhaps when kremlins just walk out from Ukraine ?

[hutch--]

 

It would not be wise to hold your breath waiting, the Russians will never accept nazi genocide of their own people.

[TimoVJL]

It would not be wise to hold your breath waiting, the Russians will never accept nazi genocide of their own people.

And why they are at there, is russia overpopulated or descendants of former occupiers ?

[daydreamer]

I don't see anything new that would make me change my original idea that the EU should have put all the effort into stopping the war as soon as it started. Instead, all parties seem very interested in continuing with it. The bottom line is that the friends of foreign goods, who dominate the West, also want to dominate the East, and do not seem willing to give it up so easily.

In ww2 documentary, one historian pointed out industrial production capacity was cause of which side won the war,German production was inferior to allies
First German vs Soviet,almost endless T34 production out of range, because factories moved to siberia
Japan empire inferior vs USA carrier and fighter plane production, also german production inferior to USA tanks,bombers, fighter planes
And through beginning to end of war,Japanese and German production constantly shrinked because of allies had their factories in closer and closer range to easily bomb them

This Ukrainian war is different with impossible to stop by bomb factories that make war materials that is sent to Ukrainian war, unless it scales up to NATO vs Russian war

[hutch--]

 

> And why they are at there, is russia overpopulated or descendants of former occupiers ?

Pssst, this is a secret, it used to be Russia until Joe Stalin gave it away. They are there because they were born there and spoke Russian. It was Poroshenko and later Zelensky that tried to strip them of their language and homes and land and jobs.

[TimoVJL]

Funny.
Many of in this site knowns real world and understand all of that russian BS.
As Steve just live in his fantasy world and he might don't have any relatives, who have fight for freedom ?
So my view is always totally different.

[hutch--]

 

I could point you at some very ugly sites on Telegram that shows the joys of 8 years of attacks by Poroshenko and later Zelensky on the Russian speaking Russians that live in the Donbass but of course evidence does not matter when you can live with neo-nazi ethnic cleansing attempts by the powers that be in Ukraine.

I am well aware of how and why Baltic states do not like Russia but I am not sure that supporting attempts at genocide to get the land in the Donbass, its resources and its industry serve their purpose, especially as it has backfired badly on countries that have been bled dry supporting Zelensky. Years of ignoring Russia's requests in relation to the attacks on folks in the Donbass fell on deaf ears and now that the heavy hand of Russia has fallen on Ukraine, all we hear is bleating by dying nazis.

Do you remember the Minsk agreement that was only ever used to buy time to build up the Ukrainian attack force to use against Russia ?

Be prepared for Russia to annex everything east of the river while Poland, Romania and anyone else carves up the corpse of what remains of Ukraine. Hunter Biden may no longer be able to make a buck$ out of Ukraine.

[morgot]

Funny.
Many of in this site knowns real world and undestant all of that russian BS.
As Steve just live in his fantasy world and he might don't have any relatives, who have fight for freedom ?
So my view is always totally diffrent.

I am from Ukraine. Can give you any proofs!
And I know real world!

We have electricity for 2 hours a day!!! TWO HOURS! in winter, when the heating and everything else works from electricity. And the Nazi Zelensky forbids me to leave the country. Is this normal? And he is supported by your leaders, they give weapons to this bastard, because of whom I am sitting in a cold hut!

[greenozon]

what happened to regular electric stations?
as well as nuclear power ones

[six_L]

Hi,morgot
We're glad to see you're okay. Hope to take care of yourself in next times.

there are much short videos on internet. some ukrainians grab water with the plastic bottle from river or lake. 
Zelensky’s wife claims Ukrainians ready to suffer. I can't see her in a bit pain shape. you are really suffering.