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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2022, 05:29:12 AM »
what happened to regular electric stations?
as well as nuclear power ones
The Russians bombed some of them, turned off the rest, it is unknown.
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We're glad to see you're okay. Hope to take care of yourself in next times.

there are much short videos on internet. some ukrainians grab water with the plastic bottle from river or lake. 
Zelensky’s wife claims Ukrainians ready to suffer. I can't see her in a bit pain shape. you are really suffering.
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Zelensky's wife is sitting in a warm house with light!! Of course, I can also talk if I was sitting in the warmth. And we suffer, yes. And we can't leave. I don't want to go to war. I don't want to collect water from a puddle. I want to live normally!
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2022, 06:41:09 AM »
My mother sometimes told me a few things about the civil war that she lived through, my father never spoke to me about that subject. On one occasion it seems that one side decided to bomb the village church because the other side had the idea of ​​hiding the powder magazine there. Her father took them all from there in a journey that lasted months. Nothing good.

Perhaps this war would never have happened if the Minsk agreements had been respected, if those who really govern the USA had not been infatuated with seizing Russia, which is the true objective. If they had tried to stop the war once it had started. If the EU were governed by competent people and not by servants of Soros. Many conditions. What seems clear is that Russia cannot lose this war, because otherwise it would mean that the filth of the West would enter inside and they would stop having their own sovereignty, and they know that. With this in mind, the longer the war lasts, the worse for all parties. Ukraine could become an unstable space, as the Middle East was for a long time.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2022, 06:54:59 AM »
@caballero
Actually a Minsk agreements had a very little role for the war.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2022, 07:41:41 AM »
It would seem that the best chance of ending this war will happen shortly as the ground freezes and the Russians launch their expected counter offensive. For all of the propaganda, Russian economic retaliation has brought Europe to its knees, the continued support for Zelensky has drained both Europe and the US of massive amounts of money and military equipment and both are running out of money and military hardware.

There is a phenomenon at play here, the combined NATO countries are guilty of believing their own bullsh*t. Russia will go broke in a short time, the economic sanction will bring them to their knees, NATO will overpower them and intimidate Russia, it all sounds like something from Alice In Wonderland.

The Minsk agreement was never going to be honoured, it was used to buy time so that the NATO countries could pump Ukraine full of military hardware to invade Russia. It has to be an act of stupidity from European politicians to think that the Russians were just going to sit back as the neo nazis ethnically cleansed the Donbass of Russian speaking Ukrainians, after 8 years of constant attacks on civilians, they ran out of patience and responded.

The real action is the Goebbels Elite (whoops, I mean the GLOBAL elite) want access and control of Russia's energy and mineral resources like they almost succeeded in getting under Yeltsin and they are more than willing to sacrifice as many Ukrainians as necessary to get that control.

Europe is expendable, people can live and die in the freezing cold with no power or food, as long as they can get what they want.

Look at the contrast, Russian supermarkets have full shelves, they can turn on the lights at home any time they like, can buy fuel for their cars, have viable heating in the winter and it all can be blamed on Vladimir Putin who has acted to protect his own people. One can only wonder why European leaders see their own population as expendable.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2022, 08:11:49 AM »
TimoVJL You can say a lot for politics. Tell me one thing - why can 't I leave the country ? I don't want to fight, I'm in poor health. I don't want to get cold. I want to leave

Why does Europe, which pays great attention to discrimination against gays and so on, not pay attention to the fact that men in Ukraine have been turned into slaves???
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2022, 05:47:42 PM »
My guessing is maybe you leave Ukraine now is against Ukraine law. (I don't know any Ukraine law)
Lesson learn: run to us, eu or uk before the war.

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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2022, 08:55:22 PM »
Hi,morgot
We're glad to see you're okay. Hope to take care of yourself in next times.
I agree
I hope you one day can flee from this war :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2022, 03:41:49 AM »
If I will be alive, then of course I will leave here. Like millions of my countrymen. don't believe the propaganda - no one wants to live here! Except for the bandits and the cops. Seriously, all 100% of my friends dream of going to Europe or somewhere else.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2022, 08:30:15 AM »
Oskar Lafontaine: "Europe is paying the price for the cowardice of its own leaders"

In this article:
  • Why Lafontaine is calling for the US military to withdraw from Germany
  • How Europe could emancipate itself from the US
  • What act amounts to a declaration of war on our country?

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/701200/Oskar-Lafontaine-Europa-zahlt-den-Preis-fuer-die-Feigheit-der-eigenen-Staatenlenker

PS. I have not read the article because it is not free, but I have heard a summary, interesting.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2022, 09:07:02 AM »
I confess I am horrified at what European politicians doing. What looks like deliberately destroying the economic and industrial capacity of Europe when it has had excellent technology, industrial manufacturing capacity and plenty of people with industrial experience.

With a touch of tongue in cheek humour, one could produce a conspiracy theory that European politicians are a bunch of closet Kommie Pinkoes taking their orders directly from the Kremlin to reduce Europe to a pre-industrial backwater. The fallout has already started, Italy has gone for Meloni, Hungary and Poland are no longer kissing EU arse, the UK bailed out of the EU and no-one trussed poor Liz.

The US attack on Europe has been coming for a long time and these political morons are helping them strip Europe of its industry and human resources.

It is really unfortunate as Europe has had some great development of the years and used to have the industrial capacity to build their own defence industry, high end car manufacturing and many other high end items.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2022, 07:47:53 AM »
> I confess I am horrified at what European politicians doing.

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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2022, 07:52:26 AM »
War is not just
 fighting
 destruction
 countless deaths
 unimaginable pain and suffering
 ...

War also is
 change
 get rid of old things
 welcome new stuff

I don't like fighting anyone. But I love all soldiers and fighters

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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2022, 09:00:37 AM »
I find that totally weird.

You could say the same thing about famine or pandemics or other pestilent cutters-down of the hue-mon race. What's to love about that?

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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2022, 09:11:52 AM »
no. you are wrong. that's just about war.
about famine or pandemics or other things, I have my own different thoughts