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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2022, 09:31:01 AM »
You can tell when European leaders are sprouking bullsh*t, when they directly put their own populations at both economic and military risk, you know they are kissing the arse of the US military / industrial complex. The thing that is theoretically up for grabs is the massive resources that the Russians have that they nearly had control of under Yeltsin.

Along came Vladimir and phuked them all off by taking back control of all of their resources and the hatred has been festering every since. Every excuse to attack Russia economically while accusing them of every imaginable war crime and it is all for nought, they just don't care any longer.

The west represents about 10% of the world's economic and military power and by constantly flaunting whatever leverage they have, the influence just keeps dropping as Russia can trade with Asia, the middle east, Africa and anywhere else. The main weapon of the combined west, sanctions, have dropped dead as Russia has just bypassed them but the sanctions have come at a price, if the Russians want to turn off the tap, they can knacker Europe and even the US by refusing to sell them things that they depend on.

Europe is getting the world level blowback with its energy miseries where no-one will help them, nothing like having the legacy of colonialism and exploitation that Europe has had for hundreds of years. The humourous part is that the easiest way to get on with the Russians is treat them like human beings. They want to trade with Europe in both directions, both buying and selling and being part of Europe.

It needs to be remembered that the old Soviet is long gone and modern Russia is very different from the old walking dead leadership they had under Leonard Breznev and similar.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2022, 08:51:05 PM »
@Hutch

Totally agree with that. I would add that the problem of the war in Ukraine is just the icing on the cake. Politicians and European society are taking charge at forced marches of destroying the productive fabric, regardless of the conflict in Ukraine. They are putting all kinds of obstacles to production, prohibiting certain fertilizers due to contaminants, when we later import products without any type of control in their production, cheaper. Production costs rise and the result is less productivity and more expensive, that is, greater scarcity, which implies an increase in inflation. Inflation occurs not only due to increased demand, but also due to decreased supply. In Europe both things have come together, with an excessive printing of money, especially since 2008. However, only the demand side is being attacked by raising interest rates, nothing is being done to try to lighten production costs. I know farmers who have not been able to subsist for a long time without state subsidies, firstly because these subsidies have not been used to make their farm competitive and secondly because their production costs have increased significantly. With the rhetoric of climate change, Europe has loaded its automobile sector, everything has been oriented towards renewable energies, relying on natural gas, which is not available in Europe. Demand increases with an unleashed increase in immigration, which is tied electorally by subsidies.

Europe is governed by theorists of how things are done, all of them coming from wealthy families or becoming nouveau riche, at least in Spain, they have never had to struggle in the free market, working to earn a living, fighting to raise a business. That's why it costs them so little to close deals. In the Netherlands, more than 3,000 productive farms are going to close to comply with climate protocols. Many industries are leaving Europe in the face of the dramatic increase in energy costs.

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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2022, 06:34:36 AM »
Now, when we have electricity for 3-6 hours a day, it is very funny to look at the owners of electric cars. They are forced to charge cars from gasoline and diesel generators. And in general, all shops and institutions run on gasoline and diesel generators! That's the whole point of "green energy". This is a fiction, a myth. There is no solar and wind energy. Nothing can replace oil. Alas.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2022, 08:09:58 AM »
Hi Morgot,

I just hope you can keep yourself out of this stupid war. I pick up from various military web sites that the Russians are waiting for the ground to freeze and for more of their backup troops to arrive and once its all in place, the bloodbath will start. I am naive enough to hope that enough people in high places get off their arse and do something about it so that thousands of conscripts don't get fed into the meat grinder.

I don't know where you are in Ukraine or what your language background is but if you can keep out of harm's way, it will sooner or later come to an end. Just make sure your survive !
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2022, 08:24:57 AM »
caballero,

Your analysis is sound, a political class that does not know what an empty stomach and poverty is about. Political power that is concentrated in groups of people who are effectively rich who have not got a clue about the living standards of ordinary people in their societies, make bad choices for the wrong reasons and leave many people in dire straights.

The French had the right idea, get rid of the bastards. I am neither a royalist nor a fascist, but a lasseiz faire capitalist (butchers, bakers and candle stick makers) and I have nothing against folks who have made a lot of money by working hard and producing good ideas, what I am not in favour of is money shufflers and exploitation and sad to say, they tend to dominate these days.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2022, 08:59:31 AM »
hello, hutch

I hope... Let's see what will happen. So far, everything is very bad, electricity for few hours a day at a negative temperature, this is bad. It's better to die.
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2022, 09:25:58 AM »
Hi Morgot,

We have an expression here in OZ, "Don't let the bastards grind you down". We all go through a chyte time and I know that you guys are doing it tough at the moment but nothing lasts forever. Be there when its all over.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Ukrainian frame up over Polish missile strike
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2022, 08:07:59 PM »
Hi morgot
I agree with hutch  :thumbsup:
I hope one day you can come to peaceful place like here

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