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Air power ?
« on: December 20, 2022, 10:10:03 AM »
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This is from BollocksMan (whoops I mean BORZZIKMAN). It seems to be a malicious plot from the US military/industrial complex to dump F35 variants with their allies so that they still have air superiority over their allies with the latest version of the F15 which is a kick arse air superiority fighter.

The only problem with this plan is the Russians have got wind of it and also have air superiority over F35s.  :tongue:

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2022, 06:16:06 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2022, 09:28:53 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2022, 12:14:27 AM »
In this site is very funny people, just choose a your side :biggrin:
China have made a good progress of fighters and thinking that, they are stupid is just a good thing our site warmongers.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2022, 01:18:52 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdP4drpogvU

What I see in this video is that pilots from different countries met in the air, greeted each other with a professional attitude, and parted afterwards.

All the rest is bulls*tty interpretation and dramatic music to generate some clicks.

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2022, 08:50:10 AM »
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jj,

You are backing the wrong side with the American military/industrial complex, Boeing make the F15 and in the latest version its a genuine kick arse air superiority fighter. The Lockheed Martin F35 is a slow lemon that is full of bugs and a free kick for both Chinese and Russian made fighters.

The only problem with "stealth" is it only works on 3rd world militaries like Iraq, any of the BIG militaries can already detect so called stealth fighters and all they are doing is providing target practice for REAL air superiority fighters.  :tongue:

Chinese J20, F15, Sukhoi, Mig, Eurofighters, Saab Gripen, all air superiority fighters, not phony fighters.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2022, 10:16:35 AM »
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jj,

You are backing the wrong side with the American military/industrial complex, Boeing make the F15 and in the latest version its a genuine kick arse air superiority fighter. The Lockheed Martin F35 is a slow lemon that is full of bugs and a free kick for both Chinese and Russian made fighters.

The only problem with "stealth" is it only works on 3rd world militaries like Iraq, any of the BIG militaries can already detect so called stealth fighters and all they are doing is providing target practice for REAL air superiority fighters.  :tongue:

Chinese J20, F15, Sukhoi, Mig, Eurofighters, Saab Gripen, all air superiority fighters, not phony fighters.
Good point, why waste money, when europe can make good planes :thup:
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2022, 10:27:13 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2022, 03:24:28 PM »
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> Good point, why waste money, when europe can make good planes

That is exactly the case, there is enormous talent in Europe in terms of technology but its being bled dry quickly by the US military/industrial complex with its influence on US government policy blocking energy to Europe, producing incentives to get European manufacturers to move to the US and draining the talent pool from Europe with jobs in the US.

With Europe's dependence for security on the US, they are waging an economic war against Europe that will turn it into a 3rd world set of countries. The real solution is for Europe to stand on its own and get on with the Russians who would like to be part of Europe. They have the resources, the military grunt for defence, massive land area and the desire to be European.

It needs to be remembered that Russia is not the old Soviet Union and few real communists remain. If most can forget about the mess that Hitler made of Germany, most could also forget the mess that Stain made of the old Soviet.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2022, 03:49:28 PM »
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jj,

You are backing the wrong side with the American military/industrial complex, Boeing make the F15 and in the latest version its a genuine kick arse air superiority fighter. The Lockheed Martin F35 is a slow lemon that is full of bugs and a free kick for both Chinese and Russian made fighters.

The only problem with "stealth" is it only works on 3rd world militaries like Iraq, any of the BIG militaries can already detect so called stealth fighters and all they are doing is providing target practice for REAL air superiority fighters.  :tongue:

Chinese J20, F15, Sukhoi, Mig, Eurofighters, Saab Gripen, all air superiority fighters, not phony fighters.
Good point, why waste money, when europe can make good planes :thup:
I agree  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2022, 05:07:43 PM »
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get on with the Russians who would like to be part of Europe.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2022, 05:49:02 PM »
If China wants Australia being part of China ,
we hope Australia being a pole of world, not being the 51st State of USA.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2022, 07:00:38 PM »
Timo,

Old hatreds die hard, with the hostility of the Baltic states to Russia, would you wish to review their contribution with the Einsatzgruppen ethnic cleansing Russians following the Nazi invasion of Russia ? I have a strong stomach but I have seen the footage of the Einsatzgruppen.

six_L,

Lets hope you are right, our current government is not hostile to China but it will never cowtow to China either. Trade makes friends and there is much to benefit with this trade. We have been allies with the US since WW2 and that will not change.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2022, 08:44:24 PM »
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> Good point, why waste money, when europe can make good planes

That is exactly the case, there is enormous talent in Europe in terms of technology but its being bled dry quickly by the US military/industrial complex with its influence on US government policy blocking energy to Europe, producing incentives to get European manufacturers to move to the US and draining the talent pool from Europe with jobs in the US.

With Europe's dependence for security on the US, they are waging an economic war against Europe that will turn it into a 3rd world set of countries. The real solution is for Europe to stand on its own and get on with the Russians who would like to be part of Europe. They have the resources, the military grunt for defence, massive land area and the desire to be European.

It needs to be remembered that Russia is not the old Soviet Union and few real communists remain. If most can forget about the mess that Hitler made of Germany, most could also forget the mess that Stain made of the old Soviet.

Full agree.

From my point of view, the ideal would be to form a federal EU, where each country could develop and compete according to its strengths, and, at the same time, form part of a whole, like the US. The world seems to revolve around great political and economic axes. Too bad that the EU has been left under a myriad of unscrupulous corrupt politicians, bowing down to globalism, excessive bureaucracy and, in the end, serving foreign interests.

Regarding EU+Russia it would be fantastic, a win-win for both sides. In case Russia does not want to join the EU, which might be understandable given recent events, there are various integration formulas that could be adapted. There are countries that are part of the EU, but with their own currency, like Denmark, or that are not part of the Schengen area, like Ireland.

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2022, 09:41:25 PM »
a federal EU, where each country could develop and compete according to its strengths, and, at the same time, form part of a whole, like the US

I wouldn't mind if the EU was as federal as the U.S. :cool: