George Galloway : Let them eat insects

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George Galloway, standing up for Dutch farmers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFmesxqMBZE

[Siekmanski]

15 march we had the senate elections.
Boeren Burger Beweging ( Farmer Citizen Movement ) has won the election by a landslide.
They won in every single province in the Netherlands.

Big loss for the WEF politicians. 
I hope for a major shift in the Dutch political landscape.

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That sounds like a great result, we will see the end of this WOKE bullsh*t yet. Get 'em a job shovelling sewerage instead of uttering it. 

[NoCforMe]

Isn't there some way of reaching a compromise here? Letting farms continue to exist while helping them become more sustainable, reducing emissions? Is this really an all-or-nothing proposition? or am I being naive here?

I've passed by huge livestock feed operations in the Central Valley of California, and not only do they stink like shit (literally!) for miles around, but they're definitely environmentally dangerous. Most people recognize that here. What's needed are reasonable, workable regulations, and perhaps financial assistance, subsidies, etc.

Also, are those farms in the Netherlands mostly family farms, or are they huge corporate operations? Over here (CA), most agriculture is done by mega-corporations, not families. And they already get huge subsidies, tax breaks, etc. So not much sympathy for them.

[Siekmanski]

The farms are mainly run by families, 75 to 200 cows is the average, but there are also a few mega stables with pigs.
The Dutch cows smell really wonderful... 

We have a Nitrogen "problem", but the problem is only on paper.
The deposition standard is 1000 times lower than in Germany. 
The farmers have already reduced the total nitrogen deposite by 70% and invested in new innovative technologies.

The AERIUS model (Calculation tool for the living environment) is very controversial because no actual measurements are taken on land, but purely assumed data is entered.
And on these outcomes they want to expropriate the farmers.

This is why the farmers and the citizens are standing up against our very incompetent politicians. 

The government need their farmland for the windmills and the solar panels fields. ( agenda 2030 SDGs )

[NoCforMe]

Just had another brilliant idea:

If nitrogen is really a problem (and I can tell you that it is in other places, like the Central Valley of California), how about if you're going to have huge livestock feeding operations, site them next to an anhydrous ammonia plant which will capture the bulk of the piss and shit and create a useful product? That would be the best kind of closed-loop system, dontcha think?

[Siekmanski]

 

The farmers already have installations that separate the shit and piss and can simply be collected and transported to whoever wants it.
So ammonia isn't the big problem, just maybe a bit more on the land where the cows roam free and when they pee on their own shit...

In pig farming, it is legally required to reduce the emission of ammonia, odor and particulate matter.
The air scrubber has been specially developed for pig farming to minimize the various types of emissions.

Perhaps also interesting to know, the entire Dutch landscape is a cultural landscape. We have no primeval landscape.
Only the environmentalist hobby clubs have a problem with nitrogen, they don't understand that over time, species of plants and animals come and go as they always do.

One of the environmental hobby clubs (URGENDA) sued the government to pass a law to deal with the "nitrogen problem".
But they do not represent the interests of the entire population, they consist of only a few people, but they still won the case. ( pushed by the WEF )

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The nitrogen problem is only an excuse to attack farmers and take over their land. There are enough places in the world that would love to have a nitrogen excess instead of the depleted soils they currently have. To destroy the food producing capacity that the Netherlands have is an act of stupidity that is ideologically based around population reduction, not ecological protection.

Destroying people by destroying their survival mechanisms, harkens back to some of the theories of eugenics that were current at the beginning of the 20th century, in the crude sense,"We don't mind as you don't matter", a nod to the global elite pushing the serfdom into extinction.

To any who have a grasp of European history, the Netherlands were brutally occupied by the Spanish some hundreds of years ago and by the time they were kicked out, the Netherlands became one of the more sensible and tolerant countries in Europe. I am very pleased to see that the farmers have exercised enough clout to be a voice in government. Perhaps we will see more countries in the EU escape the clutches of Brussels and take back control of their own countries.

"Yellow Vests", Vive la France !

[NoCforMe]

One of the environmental hobby clubs (URGENDA) sued the government to pass a law to deal with the "nitrogen problem".
But they do not represent the interests of the entire population, they consist of only a few people, but they still won the case. ( pushed by the WEF )

I looked at the Supreme Court decision in favor of URGENDA. While I don't dispute the underlying motivation--reducing greenhouse gas emissions--I did find one thing remarkable: nowhere in that document did I find one word on how the Dutch state is expected to reduce GG emissions. That's left open-ended. Ban all non-electric automobiles? Ban all fossil-fuel burning? And surely there are limits on what the state can do in that regard anyhow, as against the private sector, right?

[Siekmanski]

 
You should ask our Nitrogen Minister Van der Wal.
She is very incompetent, doesn't know what she is doing. Has no expertise and struggles to answer questions and has nothing to say.
She is truly a disgrace to our country.

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Something that was slipped through was extending the term length of governments. The longer the term, the more damage the bastards can do before they get chucked out. We saw it years ago with Asnar in Spain with his support for the Iraq war, even though the population opposed it. There are unfortunately many many more examples of these useless bastards directly opposing the will of their own people and serving other interests.

Long government terms allow them to hold out with bad policies for years until they get kicked out. We are fortunate here in OZ that our own federal government runs on a maximum of 3 years so the slimy bastards always know where judgement day will arrive. The last bunch of flea bitten bags of chyte were R_SOULED recently and the new federal government under ALBO has reversed a number of appalling abuses.

One scam was transferring the pensions of indiginous people to supply companies in the remote north west of OZ so they got about a quarter of their proper purchasing power with the balance going to the supply company, the government's buddies of course.

Another is the royal commission into RoboDebt, another scam ripping off the poorest people in the country with fake debts that they had to pay back. It has been genuine fun to see these bastards getting grilled at the royal commission.

At an international level, the extended government terms have played into the hands of organisations like the WEF who have managed to weasel enough of their clones into western governments around the world. This is the mechanism of their agenda to exercise control over the western world by these jerks that they have injected in by stealth. Fortunately they are being exposed and are being removed at elections.

[NoCforMe]

You should ask our Nitrogen Minister Van der Wal.
She is very incompetent, doesn't know what she is doing. Has no expertise and struggles to answer questions and has nothing to say.

Conspiracy theories about WEF aside, incompetence in government seems to be a worldwide pandemic these days. Lots people who are running things don't know what the fuck they are doing.

[daydreamer]

Nitrogen is harmless the way farmers use it,until someone get really angry and use nitrogen based bomb in tractor trailer 

[jj2007]

The deposition standard is 1000 times lower than in Germany. 

Bring evidence. I owe you a beer or two if you find any trace of evidence for your bold claim.

[Siekmanski]

The deposition standard is 1000 times lower than in Germany. 

Bring evidence. I owe you a beer or two if you find any trace of evidence for your bold claim.

Source: Biologist, ecologist and agronomist Louise Fresco, chair of Wageningen University & Research until last year.
Fresco pointed out that the highest emission of nitrogen in Europe is on the Po Valley. “There is no nitrogen problem at all because nobody raises it as a nitrogen problem in court.”
The standard for nitrogen deposition in Germany is 1000 times higher than in the Netherlands and probably also in Belgium, according to the scientist. "It's a political choice."

Dutch: "De norm voor de stikstofdepositie in Duitsland is 1000 maal hoger dan in Nederland en waarschijnlijk ook in België, aldus de wetenschapper." “Het is een politieke keuze.”
https://visserij.nl/2023/03/08/louise-fresco-dat-hele-stikstofprobleem-hebben-we-onszelf-aangedaan/

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