Clare Daly, says it all

[hutch--]

'Ukraine is burning through a generation of men' - MEP Clare Daly- speech from 15 Mar 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS_7tVv_XQ

[caballero]

In my opinion we are governed by mentally unbalanced. I don't know how far they will be able to go.

UK defends sending depleted uranium shells after Putin warning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65032671

[Greenhorn]

> Ukraine is burning through a generation of men' - MEP Clare Daly- speech from 15 Mar 2023

Éire ! 

In my opinion we are governed by mentally unbalanced. I don't know how far they will be able to go.

UK defends sending depleted uranium shells after Putin warning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65032671

The gene therapy also lets the brain cells produce the spike protein.
Maybe the Russian Federation will evaporate London in answer.

[caballero]

I do not come out of my astonishment. We are already talking about uranium, call it depleted if you want. Should it be understood that one raises the bet hoping that the other does not also do so by equaling or exceeding yours?

[hutch--]

There are some thing that you do not do, even if you are a nuclear superpower, don't threaten another nuclear super power. Now apart from the usual piss and wind rhetoric and warnings from one to another, a piss pot military like north Korea threatening the US is nothing more than noise so few are actually worried.

Now the difference with existing super powers is that any that have large inventories of nuclear ICBMs are capable of starting the last world war and the game of brinkmanship between any of them really could usher in the world being inherited by the bugs. Military nutters abound in all of the super powers and they are the real risk, China's wolf diplomacy, Lindsay Graham in the US wanting to try and shoot down Russian aircrafts, Medvedev suggesting a missile strike on the Hague says we live in "interesting times".

I am really tired of seeing these poor bastards in Ukraine being used as a "meat wall" against the Russian "meat grinder". This war is over, all throwing men into useless battles is buying a little more time for a few to make some more profit.

[jj2007]

“The United Kingdom… announced not only the supply of tanks to Ukraine but also shells with depleted uranium. If this happens, Russia will be forced to react,” Putin told reporters after talks with China’s leader Xi Jinping at the Kremlin.

“If all this happens, Russia will have to respond accordingly, given that the West collectively is already beginning to use weapons with a nuclear component,” Putin said, without elaborating.

In response to questions about the ammunition, Goldie said on Monday that “alongside our granting of a squadron of Challenger 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine, we will be providing ammunition including armour-piercing rounds which contain depleted uranium”.

The ammunition was “highly effective in defeating modern tanks and armoured vehicles”, she said.

Depleted uranium is a by-product of the nuclear enriching process used to make nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons. Its heaviness lends itself for use in armour-piercing rounds as it helps them easily penetrate steel.

The United Nations Environment Programme has described such ammunition as “chemically and radiologically toxic heavy metal”.

Putin is just playing with the word "nuclear", knowing it will get some headlines. It's a very heavy metal, that's all.

[NoCforMe]

Putin is just playing with the word "nuclear", knowing it will get some headlines. It's a very heavy metal, that's all.

Bullshit!

Jochen, I'm really surprised at you; you really ought to know better. DU is not only heavy and hard (which is why it's used in munitions), but radioactive. Don't you remember the outrage at all the depleted uranium rounds shot in the Iraq war? And it's not just marginal, background levels of radiation either.

This makes that war (Ukraine) marginally more "nuclear", so Putin is right here.

[jj2007]

Cool down, David

Depleted uranium is, of course, a little bit radioactive, and of course, there were victims among soldiers who had to handle it. But it's orders of magnitude away from a modern H bomb. There is a difference between breaking some tanks with extra hard ammunition and throwing nukes on cities or nuclear reactors, and Putin knows that difference very well. But "nuclear" makes nice headlines.

Giving depleted uranium shells to Ukraine is part of the game. Same for sending better drones from Iran to Russia. Two forces competing and trying to win a war, there is nothing spectacular about it. It becomes spectacular in the very moment when one of them crosses a red line by throwing a nuclear bomb, or, to a somewhat lesser extent, by using chemical weapons (I wonder where to put biological weapons... y'know, covid...).

[NoCforMe]

There's a lot of hypocrisy here about the types of weapons it's considered OK to use in war.

Personally, I don't share the shocked outrage that results from the use of chemical or biological weapons. Why? Because first of all, war itself is an outrage, the ultimate sin, a game where the rules are made be broken (and they always are, by all sides, no matter how piously the "good guys" claim they adhere to humanitarian norms. For just one instance, remember Abu Ghraib in Iraq? or the "collateral damage" video famously published by Wikileaks?

And if you do die as a result of chemical weapons as opposed to the OK ones (bullets, shells, bombs, etc.), what fucking difference does it really make? You're still dead. Maybe the bad guys killed more of you with chemicals, or maybe not: what about things like the MOAB, the "mother of all bombs", that can kill every living thing in some enormous radius? Is that still a "humanitarian" way to kill people? Or phosphorous weapons?

For another thing, the pious good guys use all kinds of "acceptable" munitions that ought to be in the same category as chemical/biological/nuclear, like cluster bombs. Which the West uses all the fucking time.

So don't go moralizing to me about how X is evil because they used Y in war. (Short of actual nuclear weapons, of course, which constitute the ultimate sin. And who is still so far the only nation to have used them?)

[NoCforMe]

Regarding the environmental effects of DU, the problem is that those effects are unknown. Why? Because insufficient research has been done in the places where it's been used, notably Iraq. (In other words, we, the military that used it, doesn't really give a shit about those people.)

However, we do know that the effect is not zero. We just don't know the extent of the damage, how many people will get cancer decades from now and not be able to definitively say what the cause was

Fuck us. We are the assholes of the world.

Here's an article on the subject.

[TimoVJL]

Fuck us. We are the assholes of the world.

everyone, who starts a war, are

[NoCforMe]

Well, we (the US, NATO and our allies) did start this (Ukraine) war. As much as if we'd moved across the border a year ago with Russia.

Because we're fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

[TimoVJL]

Well, we (the US, NATO and our allies) did start this (Ukraine) war. As much as if we'd moved across the border a year ago with Russia.

Because we're fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

How allies started that war ? Who threatened whom ?

[NoCforMe]

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[daydreamer]

We don't want a second thernobyl because idiots fire at Ukraine reactors, much worse than depleted uranium