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Siekmanski

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Higgs particle found
« on: July 05, 2012, 08:50:48 AM »
Stephen Hawking lost 100 dollar.

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 11:54:46 AM »
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Yes he did. It will be interesting stuff if they ever get it going, dial an element out of atomic spare parts. Perhaps the mechanics of the Star Trek synthesizer.
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 03:58:53 PM »
Anyway, it looks nice. Edgar has probably seen it already :biggrin:

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 10:52:27 PM »
they don't actually see the particle - they are able to observe the effects of the particle
it may be that they want it too much
the particles they are observing are probably just sugar crumbs from their morning donut   :biggrin:
if i were you, Steven, i'd hang on to that $100

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2012, 11:50:10 PM »
0.000001 % they are wrong.
Still possible it's science fiction .........
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 12:21:38 AM »
artists rendering of a proton-proton collision...



the actual test at the small hedron collider
one can see how easily particles may be confused...



Dr. Emile Snotzenburger shows his excitement at the discovery
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 03:16:39 AM »
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 03:57:24 AM »
...now, they'll be "searching for the elusive beer particle"   :biggrin:
reminds me a little of Yahoo Serious - lol

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 03:56:25 PM »
It's like going to a doctor when you're sick.... you pay $$$ and then he gives you a piece of paper and you run off to the drug store/pharmacist to pay more $$ for 'drugs' that are supposed to make you better.
He has no idea what's really wrong (biologically atomic) with you except that certain $$$ drugs work with certain sicknesses. On the drug box there's a list of 'known' side effects.

Summary... plenty of $$$ to find the effects of something that they might have created, and does not really exist naturally in nature - this is a collider we're talking about
Not that this is a bad thing, but I'm always weary of 'scientists' who make claims (their reputations, and funding are on the line) - The test of time is good.  ;)

We're still yet to see the electron, we understand 'some' of it's effects, but until we can pin point it physically we're have not completed the picture... there goes the cat.
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 04:36:54 PM »
yah - they say it helps us to understand what gives mass to matter
it hasn't helped me understand anything - lol
i don't know any more about gravity today than i did last month

when we see cars that hover over buildings...
...or, at least, a hover-bike with no wheels touching the ground (cool)...
then we will know something changed

i don't expect to see either in my lifetime

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 05:04:29 PM »
Efficient versus final cause in layman's terms, the first is easy, "If it works it works", the second is a branch of metaphysics.  :biggrin:
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 09:40:21 PM »
We're still yet to see the electron, we understand 'some' of it's effects, but until we can pin point it physically we're have not completed the picture...

Hi,

   According to one viewpoint, the electron is a point
object.  Therefore there is nothing finite there to "see".
You can only see its effects.

Fun,

Steve N.

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 09:58:07 PM »

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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 07:03:22 AM »
   According to one viewpoint
As you say..
.. the electron is a point
object.  Therefore there is nothing finite there to "see".
You can only see its effects.
They say it has mass  ;) and it sounds like it's orders of magnitude larger than Higgs 'baby'

I really think they're making this up as they go along... as usual

There's a round hole.. and they have Higgs's square 'moron'...
So they find a guy with the biggest 'hammer' and they .... 'make it round'
Steve Hawkins is of the same class...
To me they have no imagination (or too afraid - 'politically') to explore what's really staring them in the face...
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Re: Higgs particle found
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 12:40:22 AM »
Hi,

   No, the mass of the electron is much smaller than
the particle found at the LHC.  That was the whole
point of the SSC and LHC.  They needed something
a fair bit more powerful than the existing Tevatron
to find a Higgs boson in a reasonable amount of time.
The episode of Nova I saw yesterday had a nice discussion
on the Higgs field and associated boson.

   If you are talking physical size, rather than mass, a
point is about as small as you can get.

Cheers,

Steve