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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2016, 07:50:50 PM »
When settlers came to the New World, they showed to natives legal documents where they could see clearly that that land belonged to them. If independence were illegal, USA will continue belonging to UK.

About Unemployment. In Spain there are more than 20%. However, millions of immigrants have come and many of them have gotten a job. The problem is what kind of work are we ready to play. This days, many Spaniards in UK are talking about their future there with fear. Many of them are nurses, a job that English do not want.
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2016, 08:08:10 PM »
Sorry xanatose the Civil War made the constitution obsolete, archaic, ignored, useless, and ineffective - a dead letter - overtaken by events - of historical and antiquarian interest only. The sword is mightier than the pen.
True about the sword.

Obedience to the constitution is the only thing that differentiates government from a gang of thugs running a protection racket. No constitution no lawful government. Take the constitution out and we got a gang of thus operating under the color of law while running a protection racket.  :badgrin:

No constitution, no lawful government. No lawful government, no law. No law then nothing is illegal. :badgrin:

Of course the sword is mightier than the pen. So it doesn't mater that we got a gang of thugs, as long as the people believe that they have a government. They will continue to worship the thugs.


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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2016, 07:26:17 AM »
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2016, 11:35:28 AM »
the petition for a rematch already has 3 million signatures

Of which 1.7 million come from North Korea 8)

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2016, 11:35:36 AM »
caballero,

What is your take on the results of the election in Spain. The media is saying it is another indecisive result.
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2016, 03:36:06 PM »
It seems that the UK was leaving just in time. Here are the plans for the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4goZxXRZk

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2016, 05:57:00 PM »
caballero,

What is your take on the results of the election in Spain. The media is saying it is another indecisive result.
Yes, that way. Every polls said that Podemos would overcome PSOE. Finally it wasn't. PSOE is the traditional center-left party, while Podemos is a new party like Syriza in Greece, same speech. It seems that the Brexit has influenced to this result.

The party who got more seats was PP, the traditional center-right party.

To achieve an absolute majority, 176 seats are needed, in other case it is needed an agree, here there's no second round. It seems that it is not easy this way. PSOE does not want in any way let the gov to the rights. C's, a new center-right party with few votes, can not decide anything. Other options are openly pro-independence parties. They start talking that PSOE could allow the PP governing in minority by any abstention. Surely for a short term.

A possible third elections are on the horizon. I rather think that PSOE will allow somehow to PP govern for a short time.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2016, 11:47:08 PM »
Hi,

Right from the moment the Brexit result was announced it was controversial with calls for another referendum coming quite soon after that. Although, I rather not have to cope with another campaign like that for a while. Despite the result, I'm not wholly convinced the UK will actually leave the EU. There has been a massive backlash here... The financial markets have fallen and political chaos has ensued. The current feeling in the country is that if there were (another) referendum tomorrow, it would be victory for the Remain campaign. Some Leave campaigners are now saying that they regret their choice; there is even a word for it... 'Bregert'.

The shortest amount of time it would take to leave is two years. The political will may well change in that time and one way to back out of the exit plan would be if a general election were to be called in the next two years (likely) and the party who ultimately won would had a pro-Europe (also likely) stance and campaigned remain after all.     

Personally, I'm curious what the result would be if the referendum was the other way around and the people of Europe voted to keep the UK in or not..

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2016, 12:40:37 AM »
Before the referendum, there has been a merciless media campaign against the brexit. In the German media, that is - and I've always wondered what the purpose of that campaign was, given that Germans were not allowed to vote...

Now there are several options on the table:
1. Brexit
2. A new referendum (or two, or three, until the Britons become reasonable)
3. Parliament says Cameron made a little joke, i.e. it's not binding
4. The Scottish parlament says go to hell (they have started looking for a legal basis)
5. Elections in autumn, and the new Parliament says it's not bound by Cameron's promises
6. Boris Johnson becomes European Commission President, and retracts from brexit
7. Nigel Farage becomes European Commission President, and retracts from brexit
8. (... add your own here ...)

IMHO all these options have about the same probability to succeed. Except #1, of course - that one stands at 0.0% probability 8)

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2016, 12:43:39 AM »
Perhaps it would be fine to start being adults and consistent with the things we do. UK probably has not aroused much sympathy in EU lately, though in my opinion Europe needs to UK and vice versa. I do not know if there would be any way to reverse the referendum, but would not be wrong to do so.

Before that, I think we should take note of the reasons why many people have taken part by the Brexit and correct them. It's not fair that some countries struggle to contain the deficit and debt and other pull happily checkbook, for example. But I'm afraid this will not happen, probably those who should do it better, just hold on to its chair, not the case because doing something has to sit on a pin

If Grexit already produced important financial disturbances, with a little economy like the Greek, what will be with one of the major economies of the euro zone? This is something that anyone who can add should have understood.

As I can see many people in northern Europe want to exit by the right, because they don't want pay more rescues and many people in the south want to exit by the left because, being free, would spend more.

Oh God, isn't this world a wonderful madness chaotic system?
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2016, 08:25:36 PM »
Now there are several options on the table:
2. A new referendum (or two, or three, until the Britons become reasonable)
You mean subservient, not reasonable. Wanting to get out of something you do not want is pretty reasonable. Trying to force someone into remaining when they do not want to is unreasonable.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2016, 07:34:42 PM »
As a British man ( well half English half Welsh, so watching rugby can cause family arguments sometimes when England play Wales ! ) I thought long and hard about Brexit, in the end I voted to leave,my reasons are below.

Mainly it had very little to do with immigration and I strongly resent being labelled a racist  for voting to leave, which seems to be the main insult thrown at any chance.

For me it was financial and institutional, as a 57 year old white male growing up in a what was then a tough borough of London, I've had many jobs, some good some bad and been unemployed at times, I know what it was like back in the 1960's and 1970's etc. I just became sick of the same political rhetoric and meaningless drivel. The banks and un-elected permanent civil servants truly run the country, their corruption and self interests, complacent in their ways and unaccountable etc etc.

My hope for Brexit is we can get some people in power that will actually want to achieve the best for the country, prepared to work hard rather than just talk and be accountable!, no golden handshakes.
I am under no illusions of a few rocky years ahead, and I still not decided if the appointment of Boris Johnson as foreign secretary was folly or a stroke of brilliance ?

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2016, 10:05:30 PM »
Pretty much agree with what you have said Paul. If I have it right London is a casino for the well to do with its financial institutions while much of the rest of the country is going to waste. I am old enough to own well made English hand tools from Sheffield yet these things disappeared 40 years ago with the destruction of English manufacturing. I am not a man of the old left but I do have some time for Corbin, its fascinating how desperate the Blairites are to try and tollpe him so they can kiss the ass of big money again.
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2016, 09:54:41 PM »
Don't know, but it doesn't matter, secession is illegal anyway

Even so, would the feds have any viable means of preventing a secession?


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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2016, 11:18:27 PM »
Don't know, but it doesn't matter, secession is illegal anyway

Even so, would the feds have any viable means of preventing a secession?

Start with the courts and if that doesn't work use military force.
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