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Vaccines
« on: December 17, 2016, 12:29:18 AM »
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2016, 01:06:41 AM »
I have heard so.. then again vaccines have been able to save countless lives.

Like anti-biotics, I see it's limited use in temporary boosting the immune system  ;)
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2016, 05:20:31 AM »
Every time we vaccinate the kid, he takes fever over 39ºC. I wonder if it is really good put so many garbage into our bodies. We live in the prehistory of medicine, I suppose, for the moment is what we have...
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 12:43:56 AM »
A vaccine is the virus/infection but it is a small amount so the body's immune system can overcome it, Thereby registering the virus in it's immune signature bank.
The fever is a normal reaction which should subside after 24 hours. You just have to monitor the kid and keep them cool with a damp cold cloth if necessary.

This can be stressfull for parents of young infants.. but hang in there
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 07:54:21 PM »
> A vaccine is the virus/infection but it is a small amount so the body's immune system can overcome it

I know it. The current medicine is based on break/infect on the hoping that the body fix the mess, which does not seem very sophisticated. Even it is not a guarantee of success to be vaccinated of something, I have met people who have had chickenpox having being vaccinated against it. A disease that is passed only once in life, but can be manifested later in the form of herpes zoster.

Vaccination fever lasts for more than a day, during which period the defenses are low and the child can catch some type of infection, such as an otitis, etc.

I was only vaccinated with a few diseases and I've never had anything weird. However today they vaccinate the children of dozens of them. And I wonder if the body would know such diseases if it were not for the vaccines themselves.
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 09:18:58 PM »
I was thinking that this was just a conspiracy theory but sounds real.
They vaccinated old persons on my country to flu or flu variation, some of then don't get good. I was looking some grandmother saying that will never get vaccinated again, that don't trust on these vaccines.
Maybe reaction to mercury (hg) thats used inside vaccines to preserve some characteristics.
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 12:57:25 AM »
My generation here in OZ were spiked with everything while we were at school, polio, tetanus, whooping cough etc etc etc .... but the upside was we never had the problems after being vaccinated. I understand the risks and I know that in OZ the mercury preservative was removed in the 1990s due to possible risks but problems were in fact very rare. The risk with the drop off in vaccination is a population re-infected with diseases that have been long gone in the past.

In OZ there was a rigid regime for TB testing which basically eliminated TB but with relaxed standards and Asian immigration, the risk of re-infection has increased. Any medication potentially has risks but in the larger picture, vaccination has reduced a wide range of diseases so they more or less don't exist any longer. Smallpox was destroyed by vaccines on close enough to a world scale and it used to be a terrible disease.
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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 02:48:32 AM »
 Perhaps Caballero would like to see smallpox again or polio spreading out the world. My country, as the mineiro country, is Brasil and in the 70's we had hundreds of polio cases by week in our hospitals. Everyone can check the statistics, they aren't secret.

Mineiro, about mercury (Hg), when you eat fish in our country, you have more mercury than in vaccines! By the way, check this, and if you dont't trust the FDA, CDC blah, blah, blah, search the academic research about this specific subject --> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/

I suggest some historical and medical studies about infectious diseases and how vaccines help us to control them.

"Vaccination fever lasts for more than a day, during which period the defenses are low and the child can catch some type of infection, such as an otitis, etc."

Well you can change a fever that lasts for one or three days by those:
http://www.amnh.org/explore/science-topics/disease-and-eradication/countdown-to-zero/smallpox

https://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcarrington.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2Fsmall-pox-770x392.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcarrington.edu%2Fblog%2Fmedical%2Fvaccines%2Fsmallpox-and-smallpox-vaccine%2F&docid=MNDq4MFZlgeMbM&tbnid=TxqTxleeXavX6M%3A&vet=1&w=770&h=392&client=firefox-b&bih=905&biw=1920&q=smallpox&ved=0ahUKEwjq_KiuyoDRAhWCEZAKHSLWDHgQMwgwKAUwBQ&iact=mrc&uact=8


https://www.elsevier.com/connect/remembering-the-dreaded-summers-of-polio

"In OZ there was a rigid regime for TB testing which basically eliminated TB but with relaxed standards and Asian immigration, the risk of re-infection has increased. Any medication potentially has risks but in the larger picture, vaccination has reduced a wide range of diseases so they more or less don't exist any longer. Smallpox was destroyed by vaccines on close enough to a world scale and it used to be a terrible disease."

It seems the young ones do not understand this very well, so they believe in conspiratory theories about vaccines etc. Conspiratory theories can't protect you against smallpox, polio, measles etc, but I know, some people are not convinced about the vaccines...

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 02:57:12 AM »
The story of the devils are interesting. Cancer wipes out 90% of them where the remaining population are now immune.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/19/tasmanian-devils-developing-immune-response-to-contagious-face-cancer

The sort of hard flip-side of this debate.

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 03:04:11 AM »
Conspiratory theories can't protect you against smallpox, polio, measles etc, but I know, some people are not convinced about the vaccines...

Why study scientific evidence if you can believe in something? Some years ago, it was fashionable in Germany that parents organised "measle parties" for their kids - see Pox party for the English version. IMHO such parents should go straight into jail, on grounds of criminal dumbness.

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 03:23:55 AM »
Mumps, measles, and chickenpox are not that serious. Better you get it when your young, like you and I did, than when you old.

TB and polio on the other hand..

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 03:32:34 AM »
Mumps, measles, and chickenpox are not that serious.

Measles end fatal, every now and then. As long as it's not your own kid, that is probably "not serious".

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2016, 03:39:29 AM »
Less so than bee-stings. Should we wipe out the bee's just to be sure?

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Re: Vaccines
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 03:47:29 AM »
I had measles as a child and I am still alive, I do not remember anything special about it

I agree that vaccines have been instrumental in ending some deadly diseases. Does this imply that we should be crammed with them? I do not know, so I will continue to vaccinate my children, but I am inclined to think that we are exaggerating its use. What about prevention?
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