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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2017, 08:39:28 PM »
On my country we work 4 months by year just to pay taxes (like your country?) but that money don't come back, simple disappear.
In Portugal we may work more than 6 months for the taxes, mostly to pay for the civil servant clerks that earn 1.8 times more than employees in the private sector with similar jobs.
Just the same here en Spain with the addition that being a small country it is divided in 17 sub countries, each one has its own parliament with their respective parliamentarians, vice-parliamentarians, councilors, vice-councilors, etc., etc. That is, all multiplied by 17... With no low salaries... Surprisingly (or not) everybody here seems to be greatful with this.

If I'm not mistaken, I think we are the country with the most official cars in the world. None of them are less than Audi.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2017, 08:57:51 PM »
 :dazzled: And you guys are from 1st world, now imaginate whats happening here on 3rd world.

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aw27, same thing here, Brazil was governed by socialist (fabian and comunist) on last 30 years, as we know, nothing changed, only more poverty. The only thing that have changed is that persons that are called worker receive money to not work.
Latin America too, last 20 years have comunist on goverment and all are poor, involution instead of evolution.

Global warm is just to force our countries to pay taxes, nothing more. What they have done to save the world? Nothing. But if we talk about money they have done a lot of job. Persons today create a confusion about this because the word globalism. Now, all things are global, even climate. The earth planet have 2 glacial eras, but persons join a local climate difference with global climate difference. I was looking not news, but teachers talking about that. Even if you put earth planet on all good conditions to global warm that will not happen.
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2017, 09:06:23 PM »
Just the same here en Spain with the addition that being a small country it is divided in 17 sub countries, each one has its own parliament with their respective parliamentarians, vice-parliamentarians, councilors, vice-councilors, etc., etc. That is, all multiplied by 17... With no low salaries... Surprisingly (or not) everybody here seems to be greatful with this.

If I'm not mistaken, I think we are the country with the most official cars in the world. None of them are less than Audi.
Mineiro, if you find a ticket for the moon, please let me know :biggrin:
We are even worse than Spain. Look at the attachment which only reports until 2013, but things after 2013 reestablished pre-2011 status. We are the champions of the World in the matter.

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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 10:02:00 PM »
 :P

Never think that the politicians in your country have cornered the market in being R_Souls, you should see the chyte we have to put up with. We have the choice of "Vote Mal, Eat Pal" or "Bill The Dill" tripping over each other to see who can make the most PHUKUPZ. Its the distinction between unbridled greed versus grinding mediocrity.
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 10:37:18 PM »
From what I know about your country is that you guys pay a lot of taxes but this payment come back to you citzens, so you have security, health, good educational system, transport system, ... . Is this right?

It sort of depends who we elect to make these priorities. The right will reduce funding for education and anything they may find threatening to their cause.

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On my country we work 4 months by year just to pay taxes (like your country?) but that money don't come back, simple disappear.

We don't really pay any income tax in Norway, it's more consumer based. A packet of tobacco cost around 50$, alcohol and sugar based junk food is also very expensive: this pays for the health care system. The transport system is payed for by the users so gasoline is very expensive and so on.

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This can work on your country because have a solid liberal economy, well, with stable economy and government agencies you can also be anarcosocialist that will work, even anarcocapitalist.

Not sure what "anarco" means but yes everything works. Capitalism works if people don't know how the system works and socialism only works if they do. The left will for this reason funnel money into libraries, universities and education while the right will prefer homeschooling, Sunday school and stuff like that.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 11:51:15 PM »
You live on paradise nidud, I'm living on purgatory to not say hell.
Anarco is like anarchy, radical way, or Goverment controls everything or don't controls anything.
That educational system is the same as my country, the difference is that here 80% of persons of graduated university students are functional illiterates, the only choice to a good education here is homeschool. All my graduated friends don't work on their university choice area. If you go to university they will teach you about one party only, they don't teach about the area choice. Smoke courtain.

I'm a smoker, tobacco is cheap here, I like to put tobacco prices on clouds like your country, because we have the choice to plant that if need.
In my country we hold everything, the state, the politicians, the taxes on products. Have countries on Europe that politicals don't receive money by taxes. The vote here is mandatory, with social projects they remain in power. For what to work if I make several children the government supports me. The problem in my country is the nature of people.
I think was on Sweden or Swiss that they voted about give money for free to citzens, and result was no, no free money. That result will never happen on my country.
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2017, 12:06:20 AM »
I just want to say that i haven't see no really communism in no country despite how many people have talk about this concept even how many political parties or countries had call themselves that way.   :eusa_snooty:
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2017, 12:28:00 AM »
I just want to say that i haven't see no really communism in no country despite how many people have talk about this concept even how many political parties or countries had call themselves that way.   :eusa_snooty:
You are talking about communism by the old books of father Karl Marx? Yes, that one can not exist, but they pretend it is an ultimate goal and in the meantime what matters is destroy the existing system :bgrin:

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2017, 12:53:40 AM »
felipe, I respect your choice and I don't like to change your ideals, but just look for presidents on latin america.
Argentina: Cristina Kirchner
Brazil: Fernando Henrique Cardoso (fabian), Luís Inacio Lula da Silva and Dilma Roussef (comunist)
Venezuela: Hugo Chávez and Nicolas Maduro
Bolivia: Evo Morales
Uruguay: José Mujica
Well, Fidel Castro on Cuba and go on. What they have in common?

Ok, let's talk about educational system, let's look about that international test (exam) done to measure students educational quality. We from latin america have bad results, we are being compared with African countries that are much more poor than us, so, yes, from this point of view Africans are better than us because they don't have a solid educational system.
Look results of our country on link below and compare with others.
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2017, 01:35:57 AM »
I think you label them as "left" rather than communist. Old systems like the old Soviet, Albania, Myanmar and a few others tried to get a lot closer to Marxism but they failed economically and eventually changed to somewhere closer to the middle. They tend to be called "socialist" these days in contrast to many of the rabid right wing governments who's task is to kiss the arse  of large and generally foreign corporations while screwing the population. When the solution to every economic condition is tax cuts for corporations, you know who the government works for and it sure isn't the population.
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2017, 01:59:10 AM »
Hi Mineiro!!

You have some big confusion if you put Mujica in that group.

Mujica is the only that was in jail!! That was before he become president and still is poor. But the others (I also exclude Evo, but some people put him in the group) are the real criminals and stealed invalulable fortunes, and must to go to jail (not for ideals, wich they don`t have) . (NOTE to the late: I don't know if Maduro have something inside his head)

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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2017, 02:11:16 AM »
>...but things after 2013 reestablished pre-2011 status
That's impressive. Curiously it is supported by people that claims for no privileged classes. Apart from being unfair it is counterproductive with the future of the country, because there are many clever people here which could generate value-added products if it were not because they have the insured wage. They have the strength because they dominate the critical sectors. If a shoemaker strike happens, nothing happens, but, friend, if you touch health or education...

>I'm living on purgatory to not say hell
:biggrin: Every country has its shadows. What you related about Brazil happens in all Europe, hence the called effect. Brazil has the Embraer firm, producing militar and commercial planes, which means that there is enough capacity there, so I'm surprised that there is no better economy there.

Apart from the weather, you know. There was a joke that said: "In the bible it is said that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights without rest, they called it the universal deluge. In Sweden we call it winter" :bgrin:
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2017, 03:00:27 AM »
is tax cuts for corporations, you know who the government works for and it sure isn't the population.
Ultimately, I think it can indeed be for the population - less taxes means more resources to be available for the privates to manage which usually translate in more jobs and grow.
The fallacy here is infer that more money in the hands of the rich will translate in less for the poor - I don't think so - just because a rich can afford eating lobsters every day does not mean he is stealing lobsters from the stomach of the poor people.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2017, 03:09:29 AM »
That's impressive. Curiously it is supported by people that claims for no privileged classes. Apart from
Do you remember that communism was set to destroy capitalism? However, capitalists outsmarted them - unions have almost no representation inside the big private companies. To survive, communists enticed the public servants which is a class of people always ready to earn more and more while working less and less.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2017, 03:30:03 AM »
I should say left side or socialism by default, thanks for enlightment.
Fidel, Hugo and Lula created "Foro de São Paulo" to unify left side on south america 20 years ago, like a innocuous thinking. Youngers today don't know about this, they don't know what oposition means because they don't have seen this. The electronic ballots used in my country to vote come from Venezuela, now things make more sense.
http://forodesaopaulo.org/

I fully agree with you HSE.
I like argentines, I have personal argentines friends that changed to Brasil,  but I don't like Ernesto Chê Guevara. They created a movie on my country that put Chê as a good boy. A younger today see that movie and think that Chê is a hero. But start reading books about Chê and you will know that the guy killed a lot of persons cowardly, no chance of response, was a catastrophic Economic Minister, guerrilla leader that loose a war to ... . Of course, that movie was financed by public money, well, with money of my taxes. :icon13: . This is the cultural level of Brasil today, we have movies about Lula and Dilma done with our tax money, again, heros. Why I do not have see only one movie that say bad things or just reality about goverment? Because Rouanet law will not give you support.
In Brasil, if you do not agree with goverment you do not have support. Have a lot of books today about left side, it's hard find a book about right side.
I have read about Marx, Engels, Gramsci, Focault,  ... . How can I have an opinion about left side if I never have read a book about that? Persons here even don't know about Adam Smith, ... . They think that the right side on Brasil is bad, but on last 30 years I have seen only one right finger of left hand on goverment.

Like a fish that never have seen the air, their environment is only water. If you talk about air you will be a heretic.
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