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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2018, 08:45:57 PM »
A few years ago a small oil field was discovered between the Canary Islands and Morocco. Repsol wanted to extract its part from the Canary Islands, fortunately the island government refused, claiming that any escape could destroy its main wealth: tourism. The neighboring country is keeping it, but the consequences of any escape would have been fatal for the economy of the islands. It was not worth it.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2018, 08:28:33 AM »
Only two words to say.

Power corrupts.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2018, 05:30:53 PM »

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2018, 06:00:10 PM »
Its a shame it was not used on him first.  :P
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2018, 08:06:01 PM »
> how politicians become millionaires doing nothing

Actually they do, a lot, but bad. If they did not do anything, it would not be so bad.

Here, the government has changed in the middle of the legislature. Neither the previous government nor the current one count with an absolute majority. Therefore they have squandered a lot of money to keep the lobbies happy for the upcoming elections and to keep in the power as much as they can, money that comes from the worker who can not escape. The current one needs to waste even more for the same reason, so it will raise taxes of all kinds for it. Are people worried about it? Not at all, anyone expects to pick up some of that fresh money. We all hope that the theft will be to the neighbor and get some of it.

The so-called Google tax was invented against those companies that earn a lot of money here but do not tax here. Well now this rate is intended to expand to all companies in the sector. For example (this is one of many examples), Ericsson employs 2,500 workers in Spain, 700 in the R & D centers in Madrid and Málaga. The CEO of Ericsson Spain has already said that if the government imposes this tax to Ericsson, he will move everything to Portugal. Do you think that the government will tremble for this? Not at all, the lords of the government and surrounding areas are assured of their extensive pay for life, regardless of how the country goes.

Curiously, most of our politicians barely pass primary school, but their salary is more than generous. Therefore they owe obedience to the incumbent president. In addition, there are hundreds of thousands of politicians in this small country. They have convinced us how good is this for us and they are not willing to reverse the situation. For this they rely on the great media. Bread and circus, has not changed over the centuries.

Yes, there are many bills to pay. For this, it is convenient to have a vaulted mass called people.

Well, I stop here. Have a nice weekend :t
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2018, 10:34:14 PM »
Well...don´t know in other countries, but here in Brasil, it is a really shame and scandall. The vast majority of politicians are involved in corruption in high levels deviating billions of dollars from the public. And you know what happens ? Nothing at all ! When those criminals goes to jail after heroic federal judges on 1st and 2nd degree ends to put those bastards in jail, then our crappy Supreme Court eventually releases those bastards (Supreme Court is also corrupt. They are not real judges, they are indicated by politicians). Federal Judges like Sergio Moro and Bretas are true heroes fighting the political crime, but their decisions are from time to time fucked up by the corrupt Supreme Court who ends to release those criminal politicians.

On a country where people elected a terrorist (Dilma Roussef was a terrorist, bank robber and actually was responsible for the death of civil and military people  back in the 60' and 70's), on a country where elected a analphabet (illiterate) and true dictator psychotic like Lula da Silva who is responsible for destroying our nation and started a f. political of segregation of people, on a country that have some idiots who have idolatry with Che Guevara, Fidel Castro and have absolutely no idea how bad communism regimes are, on a country where our youth are being brain washed in schools, universities etc etc, on a country who still have morons following the disaster of the "politically correct", on a country where people was in millions on the streets celebrating a crappy football game instead going on the streets fighting for our country (Btw, the criminal Lula da Silva was almost released from jail, during the world cup due to a arbitrary and illegal decision of another judge who is sympathized of our nazy party called PT. Fortunatelly this "decision" was reviwed by the court and the public enemy nº 1 - Lula -  is still in jail  :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp:), on a country who have no idea what is the foro de sao paulo, on a country that thinks that PSDb is a right wing party when, in fact, is another socialist/communist shit, on a country where people pay something around 70% of taxes in everything we buy or produce and people react like it was nothing happening, where we have to work at least 7 months per year just for paying taxes or "social contributions" ...well...then.......we deserve this whole shit.

I´m trully tired of this country. Exhausted not to mention the least. On the past years i went to the streets on a regular daily basis, participated and organized dozens of manifestations in order to try fight against all this crap, but at the end, i fell like there´s few we can do. I almost got killed on at least 3 of the dozens of manifestations i was in, simply because the criminals of PT and Syndicates brain wash some stupid leftist/communist people an pay other to go onto those movements armed to cause confusion etc. I saw those animals taking rocks from the floor to throw on the police and on us while we are manifesting peacefully. On every movement we organize there is no single problem with local authorities no violent act nothing...but on the other hand, whenever those criminals brainwashed go to the streets it ends in confusion/violence somehow caused by their own.

I saw those things happening so many times in the past years that really got me tired from all of this. The only institution i truly trust (Me and thousands of people) are our army forces which we hope could eventually take those animals/criminals from the government, arrest them and rule the country again in order to we finally have some piece and stability. Violence in Brasil is increasing on a regular dally basis since the 90's. Annually are killed something around 60.000 people resultant from the violence on the streets. Sum up this on at least 10 or 20 years and you ends up wit the incredible amount of 1.2 million people killed in the past 20 years due to the violence. And violence who could be avoided if we have honest politicians or who were not trying to transform our country onto a Cuba or Venezuela.

It is a shame be called Brazilian, unfortunately. I have absolutely no proud of my own country and i´m trying hard to try to leave Brasil as soon as possible. If i succeed to gain enough money i´ll leave this crappy country for ever. And i do love my country, but i´ll not end my days or raise children on a country like this with no future for the next generation
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2018, 11:34:52 PM »
Here is the same, the judges of the Supreme Court are appointed by the politicians, so they make sure that their designs go forward.

Those who dominate the mass media here are also in love with Cuba and Venezuela, curiously none of them will live there. Only exist what these big media say, reality is transformed by them and people swallow what they are told.

I have also thought sometimes in leaving my country, but I really do not see it feasible. Result, I will adapt to whatever comes. If you really want to leave your country, I wish you the best of luck, but do not idealize the outside, Europe in general, for example, is not as well as one could think.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 12:43:32 AM »
I think its a common disease, OZ is fast turning into a police state and the two competing political parties compete with each other to see who is the biggest R_SOULS. Try this for a genuine farce, the state government where I live "New South Wales" has just enacted legislation where a couple who want to have sex must verbally say YES to each other before they try it out.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2018, 01:16:16 AM »
Even more here, some politicians want punish (pay a fine) to anyone who throw a compliment to a female on the street. Curiously, its leader recently told about a female journalist that "he would flog her until she bled", in a coarse and rude way to compliment her. But it is what is fashionable now and the absurd ends are reached.

But there are cases of sexual abuse that go unnoticed by these people because they touch taboo subjects.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2018, 04:12:55 AM »
Hey guga, maybe you can move to some rural area until things get better for you in brazil?  :idea:
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2018, 11:22:59 AM »
I totally agree with sir Guga, I would like to include more comments. If you look for forum (foro) of São Paulo in this forum you will realize that only you and me comment on it while it would be interesting all of Latin America to know about it. Who are the guys that create that foro? Hmm, Lula (Brasil), Fidel Castro (Cuba) and Hugo Chaves(Venezuela). I can't prove but to me that foro is financed by drug dealers because they don't show papers about where money come from to invite leaders from many countries.

The class struggle exists in Brazil (Karl Marx, Antonio Gramsci). They created quotas for blacks in universities with the claim of social insertion. If I say that I am against they call me a racist; but if I play the game of rhetoric and say about quotas for whites they are against. Who is a racist? Quotas should be for the poor, even because our Constitution makes it clear that we are all equal to law, without distinction of race, sex, color.

In schools they teach children to be Communists / Socialists and to join the homosexual movement (Judith Butler). I am against and they call me homophobic. I am in favor of teaching boys to become men and girls to become women; if they grow up and have other sexual opinions, only respect is necessary. They are ending what we know as "family." And speaking of family, they are already legalizing abortion !!!. I am against abortion but they call me macho (male chauvinist?). Feminists claim "my body, my laws"; the game of rhetoric tells me that "the body of the fetus his laws". What's the difference between a woman who aborts and a man who kills? I dont see any diference. Being a man I am against machismo just as I am against feminism because both are correlates. They claim that women earn less than men, if it were true it was for all men to be unemployed because of the cheaper labor of women. It is every fallacy and distortion they use.

They are breaking borders by claiming the free world (George Soros), egalitarian society. Brazil is the largest consumer of cocaine in Latin America, and without borders will become a country of zombies (opium war). Who needs egalitarian society if the beauty of the world is to be different?

The press (Bildeberg, Marinho) claims to be against 'fake news' but the same is who propagates them. They are not unbiased in the news and form opinions. Who remembers Hilary Clinton versus Donald Trump understands what I say.

Brazil is in "peace" and the number of murders a year is greater than Syria at war.

International banks like the Spanish Santandert receive exchange of favors of the government. Instead of paying taxes the money is reverted in favor of culture. They call culture a naked man lying on the floor where children can touch him. Pedophilia? Forget it, if it is the left who supports the word loses the meaning and becomes art.

Alerto not only to Latin Americans but to Europeans and North Americans; what happens here is already happening in your countries. People confuse kindness with communism / socialism. Let's give the fish to the people instead of teaching them how to fish. In this way they will depend on the state forever; and with low-quality doctrinal education will never wake up, will stay in the Matrix forever.

In Brazil the right party is represented by conservatives (Adam Smith), liberals (Mises, Keynesians), parliamentary monarchists (Luís Felipe de Órleans and Bragança), Republicans (in favor of a lean constitution) and interventionists (military supporters). The left is represented by the workers' party (PT) that defends the inflated state, controlling everything and everyone; by movements in favor of the LGBT (psol); by the Communist Party (PCdoB). The funny thing is that PCdoB party president travels to the US as a vacation, PT president and psol ask for help from Muslims (she would be stoned to be unfaithful and the corrupt Lula would not only have the cut finger, but the hand) while probably all homosexuals of the psol would be killed because they are what they are. Chê Guevara, an icon to the left, killed homosexuals.

How do you keep in power? Simple, using fraudulent electronic ballot boxes that do not require auditing. Voting in Brazil is mandatory and secret, in this way I can not know who I voted for, it is not transparent. Urns that come from a Venezuelan company (smartmatic). If you look for the last meeting on Defcon you will realize that 100% of the attacks made on this electronic ballot have been successful.

Legislative? We do not need it, laws get ready from the UN. The executive holds and the judiciary releases.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2018, 12:21:41 PM »
I think at points like this, may be helpful to look for the history of brazil. It may help to understand a little bit what is happening there, maybe even to find solutions.  :idea:
But i'm very far to be a political fan, so you can freely ignore my opinions as you like.  :P
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2018, 12:37:35 PM »
Guga, I have been in all manifestations for the impeachment of Dilma Roussef. I understand what you said about psdb (Fabian socialism), in my opinion, only the right finger of the left hand. When the car-washing scandal occurred, the international press did not name such names as Deltan Dallagnol, Sérgio Moro, et al.
They call us scammers but they voted for the vice president. They say that Lula "stole but did" while the correct thing is not to steal. They create several fallacies, we are branded as fascists and Nazis, while those who want the inflated state are not us.
They are just functional illiterates.
I am not the time of bullying, in our time if we received a nickname we learned to invent a nickname for others. We saw advertisements on television, computer, video games, and we had no money to pay. This only increased our effort to work and to buy one; currently it is not possible to advertise expensive items in order not to reach the "victims of society".
See the Amazon rainforest, no one can touch anything; we could do a permaculture there, an eco-tourism to keep it, but they are against it. Hence deforestation increases, they steal biodiversity, but the most important thing is that it is "ours."
Another fact is "global warming", ops, found to be a farce and have changed the name, "climate change." A group of scientists who need money created this and so our country must pay for it. A respected professor from USP (Ricardo Feliciano) unmasked, but few know.

The upside of this story is that google searches have increased 8% regarding politics last year. The downside is that the "sicklebook"(facebook) abrogates profiles of people admittedly right.

And the social-constructivist education made by Paulo Freire that only made the students become imbeciles. And the Museum of Modern Art that put pictures on display with Jesus Christ holding a vibrator and an anal plug with Ganesh's arms, call it art.

People are fleeing from Venezuela to Brazil (free world), they are welcome, but the consequences are that diseases eradicated in Brazil are resurfacing. Look at the current situation of the migrants who fled to Europe. The "more medical" program of the Brazilian government to hire Cuban doctors. Of course they are welcome, but can not they bring their own families to live here? What is the reason? The reason is that they will never return to Cuba, there must be some emotional bond involved, so they are forced to send money to their families who live there and the government will know that they will come back to review their families.
Do you remember the port that Odebrecht built there with money from our taxes? The question I ask is; do we buy cheap Cuban cigars?

You are not alone sir guga, remember, we are majority !!!.
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2018, 04:16:55 PM »
Ok this sounds like sh*t to me, of course i'm not brazilian and not a fan of politics matters. But i think to improve the quality of your "critique", it will be better to unmask the labels left and right. As far as i know that kind of approach never have succesfully move the humanity to any good place.   :idea:

As an example you can say this politicians are stealing, in this department of whatever, there are corruption, etc. Then, there must be a way to fight against this... :idea:

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2018, 07:51:59 PM »
Mineiro ... Bravo !! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

Good to see someone who understands precisely what is going on here. We are going onto elections soon and with this Fraudulent voting machines i have no idea on the disaster that may happens. The single effective law that was created to try to stop (or diminish) this crappy thing was ruined by the Supreme Court. The 'lei do voto impresso' (A law that demands that the elector have access to paper/receipt to check if his vote was really not adulterated) was banned from a illegal maneuver from the Supreme Court. I honestly fear for our future. Part of the media is also responsible for spreading the gender ideology, fabianism, communism ideas, Gramsci idealism and so on. And as you said, who dislike and tries to do the right thing is called of fascist, racist, "taxista" :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: whereas they have no idea that their attitudes and ideas are exactly the same as in fascism and Nazism regimes.

Felipe...I lived for 8 years on a  small town in the south of the country but, unfortunately, the problem is the same as in big cities. I can say safely that there are no cities in Brasil completely free of corruption. The one i lived have something around 12.000 people and i saw politicians paying the equivalent as U$10/15 (Ten/fifteen dollars) for people voting on them. And people did. Others waits for the promises of a public job on the town hall for example. I worked as a lawyer for the city ​​council and i was fully disgusted on what i saw. I tried and did my best to overcome the problems and public money being stolen from councilmen but...at the end i could do very few to fight against the system. The result: After 8 months my contract was not renewed because the new mayor forbid the president of city ​​council to keep my contract, fearing that i would report him to the authorities (which i did in fact, since i have ties with some local authorities due to my job) or be a stone on his shows. They do not think on the people/community whatsoever.

Unfortunately, felipe, mineiro is right. For the crazy as it seems those bastards are trying to transform our country on Cuba or venezuela and they are almost there. The only reason they didn´t succeeded yet is because Brasil is a continental country and the agenda takes more time to act. I wish it was only a conspiracy theory but, unfortunately, it is not. People like Dilma, Genoino, Dirceo, Aloisio Nunes, (Just to mention 4 of them), are terrorists back in the 60's and did killed innocent people. At the time those bastards (the terrorists that existed in our country) hijacked 15 airplanes in between 1969 and 1972 trying to escape to Cuba to learn guerrilla tactics (Some of them succeeded). Those same criminals are now still in the power until recently when they should be dead and burried long time ago or spent their lives in jail forever.

The problem here is not 'only' corruption. Corruption is the way those people have to remains in power. The objective is perpetuate endlessly in power and to achieve that, there are 2 effective ways: Corruption and Spread of stupid ideologies and lies along the decades. Here these problems started back in the 30´s and is slowing growing again since, at least 1985. There was one period of our story that this craziness was ended (or at least it was trying to stop all of this) that was from 1964 and 1985 when our presidents  were military, men of honor, people who really did their best to rule the country on a correct way and get rid of those damn criminals (for a short time in fact) that today are ruling the country (That were terrorists at the time).

Foro of Sao Paulo, for instance, is a reality. It happens meeting from time to time in mexico, for example. Brain washed people always thought that this didn´t existed, it was only a conspiracy theory etc...untill recently it was being reveled  to the public. Can you imagine, for instance, a political party who creates a official document declaring war against his own country ? Well....PT (labor´s Party) did that. It have a official document entitled "PT o partido em tempos de guerra" (PT, the party in times of war) from where you can easily read they instructing people to combat, to civil war etc etc etc. This was written back in july of 2015 and i personally used that document on a federal process (lawsuit)  i opened against the last election which was fraudulent.

Do you know what happened ? Nothing at all. 3 years have passed and the  lawsuit is still in it´s early beginnings. Nothing happened so far.

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Then, there must be a way to fight against this..
Well....they could be fired (literally) :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp: Here it is very few people can do, because those criminals when are arrested and sent to jail, our "holy" Supreme Court releases them. The only thing we can do is go protest on streets but..well..people prefers to remains sited in they chairs in front of a computer chatting or complaining in Facebook rather then do something effectively. Unfortunately, many Brazilian people will only realize what is going on when it is too late to regret.
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