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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2018, 07:59:48 PM »
Guga,

There would be at least one great loss if you ever left Brasil, much of it is an amazing looking place. I get to see a bit of it with high quality drone footage, the last being a stunning aerial footage in the mountains of Santa Catarina. You heard my last suggestion, take them for a plane ride to the Pantenal in the wet season and let them swim home.  :P
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2018, 08:31:11 PM »
Hi Steve. I agree we have gorgeous places in Brazil to live. I know Several states and traveled the country in the past years and it do have great places, but the problem of politicians is everywhere :(

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take them for a plane ride to the Pantenal in the wet season and let them swim home.
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I'd rather throw politicians off a cliff. :greensml: :greensml: :greensml:

If the things keep going on this path, my friend, i´ll end to have no option except leaving the country before it´s too late (Maybe New Zealand is a good place to live as well... :greensml: :greensml: :greensml: A friend of mine was there in vacations btw, and it is beautifull). I´m trying to maintain the hope but, honestly...is a hard task. Every single day we have some "surprises" from the government. Well...this year we have elections...let´s see (and pray) for what will happens.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2018, 09:29:39 PM »
> Alerto not only to Latin Americans but to Europeans and North Americans; what happens here is already happening in your countries.

Yeah. Everything you describe in Brazil happens not only in my country, but in all Europe.

I really do not think it's a left or right problem. My theory is that there are certain types of people who use the dominant status quo in the time that they have to live for their interests. Currently the dominant status quo in the world is the left in the slope that we know today.

No, we do not live in a real democracy. Maybe it never existed. If you dare to disagree you will be expelled socially and economically, as it has always happened over the centuries. Formerly the Inquisition was used, now other more refined methods are used.

There are news that you will not see in the mainstream media where it is highlighted to what extent society is subject to the current status quo. I speak of Europe. Links that I do not even dare to put here, in Wikipedia itself.

> people prefers to remains sited in they chairs...
My country is my family, then Spain, so I'll adapt to whatever comes.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2018, 12:27:02 AM »
You are right, sir caballero, first our family, then our country. The international agenda then attacks with "divide to conquer", this is what happened in Spain recently on the independence of Catalonia, by the way, an old theme. The past shows us something similar that occurred in South Africa with apartheid, or racial segregation.
You mentioned democracy, which I agree with. I even think we no longer have free will, just brain foods digested and inserted innocuously into our minds. Democracy is not in the people voting but in the hands of those who count the vote.
How they can destroy family? With genre ideology, abortion, feminism, fighting against religion, ... .

Yes, sir guga, we are dentists lol.

Hi sir Felipe, when I say left the quote in the generalized context of Western culture. Evidence shows that those who support the international agenda are political parties tied to the ideas of the left.
I have stopped to imagine myself in a perfect socialist environment. We will all be poor, but what matters is that we are the same. But wait, what about the government? They are above us. That is why socialism in my opinion will never work, because there will always be someone higher.
I already lost my brother and my father in a public hospital (like Obama Care but in Brazil). At that time I did not feel my feet, I had no floor. I wanted to do something but all my hopes were in the government. I thought of selling my house, sofa, refrigerator, stove, everything I had but it was in vain; death has come before. I just did not lose my mother who suffered from heart valve because she went to a private hospital, but now I was ready.

In my country, when I comment on what I write here, they say that I am proposing a 'discurso de ódio'. A quick translation of the phrase into quotation marks for Spanish and I notice that the jargon used has expanded to the other language, and analyzing the political preference I come across the left. Is the same thing happening in the English language? (hate speech) Hmm, yes, I'm not going crazy, there is an international agenda.

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2018, 01:35:26 AM »
I think the general drift with this mountain of chyte we all are generally suffering is policy from the Soros foundation. Poland has already R_SOULED them but its like a creeping disease seeping through all of the western countries as politicians keep kissing the arse of the ruling international elite.

For all of the propaganda we hear about the axis of evil and so on, the countries that are alleviating poverty and protecting their own populations are Russia and China and a few others that are not controlled by the IMF and world bank. I see globalism as a sickness that has been inflicted on much of the world by a massively rich elite.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2018, 07:33:21 AM »
There was one period of our story that this craziness was ended (or at least it was trying to stop all of this) that was from 1964 and 1985 when our presidents  were military, men of honor, people who really did their best to rule the country on a correct way and get rid of those damn criminals...

a well known period of military dictatorships in all latin america (including state coups, as in Chile)... :eusa_naughty:

I don't want to argue, english is not my native language and i have to care about other things. I will only say that of  what have been said in this "forum's topic" i agree more with the last words of hutch  :idea:.
Seriously, if you think that in the military system or even in the clerical system there are no corruption and that is the panacea...well good luck with that!  :icon_eek:  :idea:
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2018, 11:28:41 PM »
But that's what I've been saying forever. The problem is that people have aversion to words, if I speak socialism or communism, ops, detected keywords, I do not like mineiro anymore !!!. Back to rhetoric, I'd rather say about evil capitalism.
Very rich people who do not appear in forbes magazine want to control the world. See George Soros, a metacapitalist who provides financial support for gender ideology, abortion, and feminism; or do you really think that these ideas are self-sustaining? Look at the Catholic plan, Argentina released the abortion under the eyes of Pope Francisco who is from Argentina. Soros bought shares of petrobras and weeks later came the publication of the pre-salt, oil beneath deep ocean layers. This generated world attention and finally China bought oil deposits. In this way the Brazilian GDP that was in deficit grew and the government managed to pay the accounts to the international debtors. They bought from themselves, while Soros created speculation.
Another example, Nelson Mandela was in jail, his family owns lands in South Africa that contain diamonds. Hence a wealthy family named Rockfeller closed the contract. One explores diamonds while the other jumps out of prison and becomes a president, and there is almost no internal civil war.

I am outraged at what happens in Venezuela. People who speak well are of a lightness not to say sophism. When I was in the rallies and manifestations to get Dilma out of power, Nicolas Maduro said that if impeachment happened in Brazil he would attack us. This only strengthened us, more people joined the movement. A country with people who was cheerful, resourceful, oil explorer; but now, a country where half the population did not exercise their citizenship, simply were not to vote discredited with the dictatorial and electoral system; a country where 86% of people are at the poverty line having to eat dog meat so as not to go hungry. If I speak badly of Venezuela I say it in the political sense. Do you really think that I like to see the Venezuelan people in these conditions? Do you like? If you are from the Brazilian left you think that Venezuela is paradise.

I am absolutely sure that when Lula or Obama need to go to the hospital they don't go to what they idealized, they go in private. Forget Obama Care or Unified Health System, it does not work. In Brazil more and more people are adhering to non-vaccination. Do you know the reason? Did you know that the Rockfeller family is one of the supporters of vaccination? My personal opinion is that they are using us as guinea pigs. I really doubt that aids or Ebola came from nature, man invading nature; I believe he came from laboratories and experimented with the African people; of course, just my imagination talking.

I'm not forgetting that I'm talking about rich people. Let me see which countries have the most billionaires in the world today: Hmm, the United States, China and Russia.
No, there is no war in Syria, Russia does not want the control of resources of that region that will feed Europe, or in other words, European money. No, China is not creating artificial islands invading the sovereignty of other countries to the south, no, 30% of world trade does not pass through those seas. No, Trump does not need the Nobel Peace Prize for his approach to North Korea. Man, I understand that these countries are doing the best, of course, to their own country; is this that I like to see on Brasil you know.

I know what it is to open the refrigerator and see little food and even being hungry do not eat to leave it to my younger brothers. Wake up, the world is not made of flying unicorns and fairies, rivers of chocolate and caramel, the alarm clock is not made by angels playing waltz with trumpets as the aural light reaches your eyes making you wake up.

I've always spoken of this, always, but by using magic words people do not understand.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2018, 11:44:09 PM »
from 1964 and 1985 when our presidents  were military, men of honor
Damn Wikipedia, they always talk badly about these men of honor:
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as the regime censored all media, tortured and banished dissidents
Even worse what they write about Pinochet, of course :eusa_naughty:

George Soros, a metacapitalist who provides financial support for gender ideology, abortion, and feminism
Soros is the devil in disguise - ask the Pope!

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2018, 12:24:47 AM »
I think Poland had the right idea with Soros, they R_SOULED the Soros foundation. The analysis I have seen is that Soros and his ilk are the supporters of national identity destruction with their own bullsh*t version of globalism. Reduce the world to serfdom, dispose of the unfavoured and create a new elitist heaven that the remaining serfs are enslaved to. Destroy religion, nationality, marriage, rewrite history, family, masculinity and reconstruct the rest into a new world order (where have I heard that before).

I prefer the historical French model, cut their heads off.  :P
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2018, 04:13:35 AM »
> I do not like mineiro anymore
Not my case :t

> Soros and his ilk are the supporters of national identity destruction with their own bullsh*t version of globalism
Yes, agree with that. All this social change is happening so quickly and globally that it can not be a casuality. For this, absolute control of the mass media is needed and a large spectrum of people who believe they benefit from these changes.

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2018, 06:37:04 AM »
mineiro there are no magic words, even for the most ignorant people i think. But you should know that complicated things need a deeper analysis. Of course can be difficult to control oneself when we are in difficult positions. Still, in there, will be nice to see our mind smart and wise.  :idea:
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2018, 10:29:08 AM »
Hello sir jj2007;
Well, Pinochet killed about 40,000 Chileans during the military period. In Brazil in about 20 years of military period there were about 400 deaths. The military thought they might be expelled from Brazil, and that is how Dilma and José Dirceu survived and came to power years later. The military took about 30 percent of the Brazilian people out of misery at that time, and did not ask for foreign money but rather gave work to the people. One person who will not let me lie is Lula himself in the 80's. In a certain interview, he said that he did not miss work in Brazil, at that time he was already the union leader. These numbers are high? Not of course if we compare to more than 25 milions of soviets and 65 milions of chineses died on Mao Tse Tung and Stalin time. If we sum the last 2 we have more deaths than all WWII. My grandfather was a military, he fought on WWII. I remember a child's story, when I watched television next to him, I saw a gecko on the wall. I said, let's kill her grandfather. The answer was a slap in my face as he said: She has more value than you, she eats insects.

It is worth remembering that we were in postwar; the only certainty was uncertainty. An example is Korea; there existed the family of the north and the south. The north-financed by Soviet and Chinese invaded the southern lands, taking their lands and cornering them. But by that time there was already the creation of NATO, hence led by the US the counterattack began, taking again the lands of the south and almost all of the northern lands that were trapped. From day to night China sent soldiers to help the north, until finally they were stationed in the middle of the route and this way giving origin to North Korea and South Korea as we know it today.

In this period Italians had already migrated to Brazil, being in the region of São Paulo, as well as Japanese while Germans were located in the south of Brazil. One of the gifts given to us by the Italians was the creation of unions (sindicates), both employer and worker. With the arrival of the company Fiat and Iveco the state of São Paulo became prosperous, in addition to the geographical position. The consequence of this is that in Brazil today there are more than 1,500 unions, most of them only to eat money. Well, the state of São Paulo is where more unions live in the country, consequently more workers. And among the unions is that the Workers Party grow (Lula, Dilma, ...). The founders of the Workers 'Party left the boat after seeing that the original ideas had been distorted, no longer among them nature, honesty, impetus to workers' rights.
My opinion is that a priori they were reasonably certain, something like Fordism in the USA; but if they let themselves be corrupted, they lost their credibility; and the period in which they governed was the time that there was more corruption in Brazil. They did not steal millions, but billions. Corruption has always existed since the creation of the world, but openly without any moral precept is the first time I see. The result is that anyone who came to power after them would inherit debts rather than cash, the growth of inflation that had already stabilized, the country importing more than exporting, the ballast losing its value. The policy was always flimsy. See, we raise the minimum wage !!!. Hmm, inflation has increased more, hence, the money has lost its purchasing power. The people simply believed that their salary had increased.
I think differently, freeze the minimum wage. The intent is to make the purchasing power of money increase, rather than duping money-making numbers. Well, you know, and from here we go to the wall creation, cold war, space conquer, military families until now on goverment, bipolar world now have 3 powers (muslims), a globalized world, countries union inside continents, bilionaries (called iluminatis on past), fake news, ... .

About pope, I like that guy, but to me he is not well advised. One example is that bishops inside catholic church in Brasil collect money to after send to unions. This is why I talk about Karl Marx, one of their intentions is to destroy catholic church. Well, if we read bible we know about Israel country, when persons get freedon from Egypt to promised land; and from here we need talk about Palestine, ... .
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2018, 10:49:06 AM »
My opinion is that a priori they were reasonably certain, something like Fordism in the USA; but if they let themselves be corrupted, they lost their credibility; and the period in which they governed was the time that there was more corruption in Brazil. They did not steal millions, but billions.

It is certainly a complex story. How many billions did Lula steal? Below a graph showing income inequality in the World. Red means the rich are stinking rich, and the poor are desperately poor.

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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2018, 10:45:21 PM »
hello sir jj2007;
Was not only Lula but workers party that stolen billions during 13 years on goverment (because impeachment). Inequalities remains the same as your picture show.
Just search for "pt roubou milhões" and you can see, this search can be done in english language too; "pt stolen billions brazil". You can find that $20 billion dollars from car wash operation from petrobras, R$70 billions from a national bank called Caixa Econômica Federal, ... . If we sum he reach trilion stollen.

They started paying the Brazilian foreign debt, in this way the press and the people smiled. The farce behind this is that the foreign debt was converted into internal debt. National bankers liked it. With money in cash now we can do works in other countries and be well seen. Thence began the thousands of works in Latin America, in neighboring countries but not in our country, in fact, the works in our country were paralyzed, without completion and with superfilling. Now we can start a new foreign debt to persuade the population with social projects, free money for the people, free home for the people; but someone is paying this account. The intention is to create electoral corral, or, people who will vote for them forever because they win without having to work.
Free homes have spawned a new problem, children of 14 years old began to get pregnant to have their own home. Free money has generated accommodation, people do not look for more employment, work, service, they are static. And the bill was increasing until it exploded in Dilma's hand, after several foreign loans we had no way to pay the debts. They received a government where $ 1 dollar was equivalent to R$ 1,20 reais, delivered the government with $ 1 worth R$ 3.40. If I had known I would have bought dollars, in less than 15 years I would have a gain of 200%.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
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