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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2018, 06:34:12 AM »
PUTIN BLOWS APART RUSSIA COLLUSION PROBE: Sent $400,000,000 to HILLARY CLINTON
Your 'title' is a bit of news twisted somewhat..

Putin says that some guy (now in the USA) who made billions in Russia, paid no Russian taxes, contributed $400 million to the Billary campaign.
Putin wants to bring him in on tax evasion, and is asking for US Police co-operation.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2018, 08:02:19 AM »
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This was his first shot.....
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2018, 02:26:18 AM »
Felipe. The only true dictatorship we have in Brasil was in the Vargas era way before 64. When the government was ruled by militaries from 1964 to 1985, the former President Castelo Branco (a military) was elected by the Congress ! Which dictatorship leaves the power voluntarily under people demand ? A dictatorship needs the figure of a dictator and from 64 to 85 we have none (What we do have was something around 5 presidents which, fortunately, were military. And none of them was a dictator) . Name one of the time. You won´t find any.  At the time (1964), the crappy communist president Jango left the country (abandoned) after leaving the nation to a almost total bankrupt. We complain of corruption now, but in the 50' and early  60' it was not so different from now. The main problem was that we were at a internal war perpetrated by terrorists (Who were communists/socialists) all over the country. Jango and his gang was going to transform us on Cuba and it was well planned since the 30's and no one wanted that at the time (neither now, btw).

He and the communist party was responsible for the death of innocent people way before the militaries went to the office. That bastard (Jango) simply left the country, he evaded after internal conflicts that was happening here at the time. The key point for that was a conflict that happens on Rio de Janeiro at the Guanabara Palace that was attacked by terrorits, bastards with machine guns shooting on people at the streets.

The governor himself at the time reacted with his own hands and by radio warned the people to not leave their houses and asked for help for the mariners to stop the Barbary and he himself got a machine gun and went to fight against the terrorists. (Of course, lacerda was later revealed to be a traitor because all he wanted was power, simple as that. But to explain this here would take too much time)

When Jango run away, the country became without government and the CONGRESS elected a military (Castelo Branco) as president with the support of the vast majority of the people, the church, media and civil organizations. The people demmanded for military intervention to avoid not only the corruption, but mainly terrorism that was happening and the ongoing to a communist country that none of us ever wanted. The problem was we had guerrillas at the time and the president had to deal with that with a strong hand to protect us and at the same time try to restore the economy (Which he did, i n fact a couple of years later). If you believe we had a dictatorship here during the military presidents, you have no idea what happened at the time and what really happened about the 'luta armada - the guerrilla/terrorists".

Do you know what was the guerrilla of Araguaia ? Do you know that those bastard kidnapped people on the streets (Ambassadors, included), hijacked airplanes (commercial and of passengers) changing their routes to Cuba to learn guerrilla tactics ? Do you know what was the "justiçamentos" (Executions perpetrated by those terrorists) ? Do you know what is the feeling of walking on the streets and suddenly a car-bomb explode right in front of you ? Do you know what is the feeling to be mutilated to death because you don´t want to be part of the guerrilla ?

The reality of what happened is way way way different from the lies being spread from the past 40 years. I only wish the militaries may have being more energic and actually killed all those bastards, because some of them are well and alive spreading bullshits on our population since decades and are in power stealing the nation in order to perpetuate indefinitelly. They lied to the population faking tortures that never happened (on contrary of what is being told by the criminals at the time), on the contrary, they were the ones who tortured and killed innocent people on their executions/justiçamentos (Including civil, military and people of their own)

I lived at that time and have nothing to regret. In fact, i really loved to see them on the government again. People on good faith have absolutely nothing to fear if such situation happened (And, if it depended on me, they would be on the government for more 50 years if needed). The problem of most people (here in brasil, mainly) is forget to asking the older ones or at least, going to a public library to achieve information from the time that the events happened. In general, the lies being told by those bastards in the past decades were so elaborated that the majority of the people simply chooses to believe in media, or so called "teachers" that have less then 30 years old and have absolutely no knowledge or experience of life to understand what was going on.

Imagine this situation. You live on a country where al-qaeda, isis etc is active and practice terrorism on a regularly basis and the government and general society needs that those terrorism acts stops and for that they needs to use whatever means as possible, police, mariners, army, and military personel in general to protect the population. If the people allow themselves to forget what is happening or simply got used to that terrorims or starts feeling sorry for them (instead feel angry - what is the natural reaction), the next generations will starts to believe that the "bad guys" was the ones fighting against terrorism and the terrorists was the "poor little thing" and will allow them to take the government. Simple as that. Unfortunately, in what concern Brasil, this is what happened.

The only people who actually have to fear the militaries was the terrorists. Too bad they were not all killed at the time.
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Re: Wonder how politicians become millionaires doing nothing?
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2018, 02:52:40 AM »
Hi JJ

How much money the criminal Lula stole ? Well, he and his party stolen something around 200 million dollars in, at least 1 situation. And this only calculated until last year in one of the dozens of police investigation
https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/felipe-moura-brasil/entenda-o-esquema-8211-pt-roubou-200-000-000-de-dolares-segundo-delator-em-reais-546-460-000-quando-fecha-o-partido-lula-e-dilma-tem-de-ser-cassados/

So far, the operation "lava-jato" estimated that something around 8 trillions of reais was stollen on the schema of corruption of all politicians involved with this (Lula, PT, etc etc etc). Something around U$ 257.725.000.000 (257 billion dollars) in the past years

https://epoca.globo.com/politica/expresso/noticia/2017/01/valor-movimentado-na-lava-jato-soma-r-8-trilhoes.html


So far, the "operation lava-jato" recovered something around "only" 11,9 billion of reais (U$ 3.099.540.000 - 3 billions of dollars)
 https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-43432053

JJ, about wikipedia. I tried once to put the correct information about 64 to 85 providing the official sources but some was removed and other were altered. I lived at the time and research on public libraries rather then wiki to understand what really happened. The truth is different from what was spread in the past 3 decades. Curiously on Wikipedia, the information about the guerrilla are not so vandalized but have inaccurate/incomplete information though. But, for those information specific i rather choose a public library with news from the time rather the wiki where anyone can alter the content as his own point of view. If you know a bit of portuguese you can try searching the truth here, for example: https://www.bn.gov.br  It contains newspaper, articles etc from the time (digitized). It´s the Brazilian national public library online
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