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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2018, 04:53:31 PM »
They approve pedophilia, I mean, if an 8 year old wants to have sex, it is not considered pedophilia, but if they do not want to, then it is characterized as yes. An 8 years old know about that? To me not. On the social level they are making socialism as we know, nothing new, just a new way of doing nothing new. I cry when I see fetuses being discarded as if they were trash

Who is "They", and what does all that have to do with socialism? Any links to such atrocious political activities?

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 AM »
Who is "They", and what does all that have to do with socialism? Any links to such atrocious political activities?
Hello sir jj2007;
"They" are French politicians, French parliament (Schiappa), surfing the internet I do not see French people agreeing with what the politicians approved.
Links? Search for law Schiappa, La Republique in Marche, ... .
Some links in french:
https://www.gouvernement.fr/ministre/marlene-schiappa
https://youtu.be/k8lXqqj2cxk
https://youtu.be/IDdgnBOLxAg

Why socialism? For it was the French minister Marlène Schiappa, avowedly feminist, of the party La Republique in Marche, related to the party of Emmanuel Macron, center left.

Today there are several forms of prevention before reaching abortion, male and female condoms, birth control pills, the morning after pill. I am against abortion but in rare cases I am in favor, as in non-consensual sex, in cases of rape and when a woman's life is at risk.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 05:49:06 AM »
You can certainly quote the paragraph of the law Schiappa that is so dangerous?

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 09:08:57 PM »
Hello sir jj2007;
You asked for quotes, but quotes mean a subjective context.
We will not see something explicit like "legalize pedophilia" written in law, is something gradual. What I say is happening in practice, judgment of value and not in the norm of the law, legal decree. When they do not fix an "age frame" for sexual matters, they are paving the way for conflicts of jurisprudence.
Can a child of 5 or 8 years of age drive a car? Can you vote? Can you choose for politics? We know that not because the law imposes an age framework, what "no" is the case that happens with libidinous practices. The legislation is entitled to have a minimum age of 15 years (Article 227-25 of the French Criminal Code, atteintesexuelle). What the Schiappa law (law 703/18, 03.08.2018) does is not to establish a minimum age for sexual relations.

In summary I quote the articles, "Article 227-25-", establishes a minimum age of 15 years on sexual assaults.
"Article 222-22-1", again deals with the minimum age, but opens interpretations on difference of significant ages, so that 20 years and 14 years are close ages, hence it must be interpreted in another way, like hash collisions.
When facts are committed on the person of a child under the age of fifteen, moral restraint or surprise is characterized by abuse of the victim's vulnerability, lacking the necessary judgment for such acts.
"Art. 351.-", here they have opened wide gaps for interpretations, for consents. They cite 15 years of age but what is lascivious, not consented, can be answered.

Talking about assembly programming; which quoted instruction is made for addition? Just "add"? We know that no, it can be done with "inc", it can be done with "xor", we can zero the registry and add logically with "or", we can use "lea", .... That is what I am saying, the manual says something but "in practice" we can do it in other ways.

The summary is that the law is not conclusive, it opens spaces for different interpretations. What we do know is that it is happening "in practice".
Well, sorry guys, I'm out, I feel I'm poluting this topic that should talk about economics.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 10:19:12 PM »
Where is the text of the paragraph that allows pedophilia...?

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2018, 11:26:11 PM »
Je pense que JJ a oubliè son Français.  :(


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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 01:05:55 AM »
I think the general drift with child abuse is the issue of exploitation, when someone in a position of power over a young person abuses that power, either by force or threat, there is a serious problem. As far as age differences go, an age range tolerance seems to work OK so if the age of consent is 16 and one is 15 and the other 17, there is probably no harm done if both consented to the act. It becomes a problem when you get an underage person being exploited by someone who may be twice their age or older.

The use of power over another is the overriding problem and child protection needs to address the type of leverage that an older predator can exercise over someone who is much younger. What I would like to see is the issue of morality removed from the equation, a child of either gender is not responsible for a predator abusing them and the form of support for victims needs to address that.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2018, 04:13:29 AM »
Where is the text of the paragraph that allows pedophilia...?

Hello sir jj2007,
This is a serious matter sir, I'm not joking. Look for pedophilia in the French penal code. Did not find? So your definitions of pedophilia should be updated. Define pedophilia, define child. If I am 50 years old can I get victimized for suffering pedophilia? Is pedophilia a disease?
We are adults, we have to protect our children.

Did you have trouble reading the laws I mentioned?
An example of what I say, a link from Time magazine
http://time.com/5358798/marlene-schiappa-interview-harassment/
"France has no legal age of consent-an anomaly in Europe ...".
Oh really? But, mineiro said about 15 years old, who is right? Who is doing fake news?
Follow the link of the French penal code:
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/loi/2018/8/3/JUSD1805895L/jo/texte

Chapter II: Attacks on the physical or psychological integrity of the person
Section 3: Sexual Assault
Article 222-22 (again, because persons do not like to read but like to ask).

The counterpart is the first premier of article 222-22 peut être physique or morale.
Lorsque les faits sont commis sur la personne d'un mineur, the contrainte morale mentionnée au premier alinéa du présent article or the surprise mentionnée au premier alinéa de l'article 222-22 peuvent résulter de la extérence d'âge existant between la victime et l'auteur des faits et de l'autorité de droit ou fait which celui-ci exerts sur la victime, cette autorité de fait pouvant être characterized by a significant difference d'âge between the victime mineure et l'auteur majeur.
Lorsque les faits sont commis sur la personne d'une mercher de Quincy Ans, the contrainte morale ou la surprise sont characterisé par l'abus de la vulnérabilité de la victime ne disposant pas du discernement nécessaire pour ces actes.
Is consenting sex a sexual assault? And in case of minors?

Did you read the comments on Schiappa's Twitter profile?
https://twitter.com/MarleneSchiappa/status/1021444701864505344/photo/1
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2018, 04:53:10 AM »
Europe is running crazy, and it is drived by those who are in charge with iron hand. It has cost me enough to find this news from France published in Spanish media. Curious, because it seems more relevant than any foolishness published daily about Donal Trump.

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Although it has finally led to a political debate, my initial pretension was to open a debate on the economy and science that the immediate future holds for us. I imagine that the people who come here are sufficiently prepared to comment on the issue, and I am also interested in the different points of view of different people in different countries.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2018, 05:07:55 AM »
Where is the text of the paragraph that allows pedophilia...?

You wrote "They approve pedophilia" but so far you have produced only a lot of confusion, and not the faintest evidence of your claim. Besides, Hutch has got it 100% right. Show me one short sentence, taken from a French law, that proves your claim. My French is pretty good, I will understand it.



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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2018, 05:33:55 AM »
@JJ,
You know very well that mineiro does not speak perfect English. Still, most people understood immediately his point because we can easily find the surrogate of the reasoning.
You did too, but you had no idea what he was talking about, because this information is a bit concealed as Caballero well noted.
Instead of confessing your ignorance, which is usual and would cause no surprise, you decided to continue harassing mineiro. Back off JJ, the more you talk the more you get buried.  :(

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2018, 06:18:32 AM »
I will assume these views has something to do with religion but consensual sex is normally not consider to be a crime. This means that two below the minimum age of criminal responsibility cannot be held criminally liable for any offence, so you wont find any of them sitting in jail for having consensual sex.

The law itself is to prevent adults taking advantage of children. This creates a problem where a 14 year old and a 15 year old having legal sex, but the next year one of them may be charged for a criminal offence as an adult. I guess that's is the reasoning behind the law issue in France.

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2018, 07:02:48 AM »
Although it has finally led to a political debate, my initial pretension was to open a debate on the economy and science that the immediate future holds for us. I imagine that the people who come here are sufficiently prepared to comment on the issue, and I am also interested in the different points of view of different people in different countries.

As for the economy, a rich country is normally defined by the buying power of the working class in any given state. This leverage is referred to as a market and may be used to dictate terms for corporations and products to enter.

The leverage of a poor country is cheep labour and the corporations will be able to dictates terms to enter the state. The lower the salaries the more leverage a poor country have.

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2018, 09:52:49 AM »
hello sir jj2007;
Do you know about figure of speech, metaphorical language, right?
First you asked me why socialists. I answered. Then asked me about who "they" are, I replied. And now asks me about "they approved pedophilia." I answered:
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"We will not see something explicit like "legalize pedophilia" written in law, is something gradual. What I say is happening in practice, judgment of value and not in the norm of the law, legal decree."

About the French language, I have little knowledge, but luckily my mother helps me when I want knowledge, not a problem.

I understand that you are wanting to embarrass me by asking questions, but, Sherlock Holmes, if you wish I can draw and just to be sure, explain the drawing.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2018, 10:09:44 AM »
The law itself is to prevent adults taking advantage of children. This creates a problem where a 14 year old and a 15 year old having legal sex, but the next year one of them may be charged for a criminal offence as an adult. I guess that's is the reasoning behind the law issue in France.
Right :t  It is utter nonsense to claim the new law legalises pedophilia. It is equally nonsense to write that "socialists" want to legalise pedophilia - Macron is a conservative politician. But ultra-conservative media are immune against facts, and hate speech is their raison d'être 8)

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Non, la loi Schiappa n’a pas « légalisé la pédophilie » ni assoupli les règles de consentement

They approve pedophilia, I mean, if an 8 year old wants to have sex, it is not considered pedophilia, but if they do not want to, then it is characterized as yes. An 8 years old know about that? To me not. On the social level they are making socialism as we know, nothing new, just a new way of doing nothing new. I cry when I see fetuses being discarded as if they were trash, it seems like I'm alone. This is happening in USA and a lot of Europeans countries, South America too.