Economic Tendencies

[felipe]

most people understood immediately his point

Probably i'm in the minority group here too. I admit i'm not well versed in all this "news", but i tend to support well arguments, so i think jj here knows better what he is saying... :idea:

[aw27]

France has traditionally been very tolerant on these sex with children affairs. No official age of consent ever existed.
This Schiappa law came to establish an official age of consent of 15 years. This is for sex between adults and children not for sex between children.
In all the civilized World, a 15-year old being is still a child - so it makes sense to talk about a law that legalizes pedophilia.

[aw27]

@nidud 

The Norway welfare state has been financed by oil - socialism works great when there are no financial constraints.
Were resources scarce, the nice "way of life" models Norway export to the World would not feasible. 

[mineiro]

The Sarah Case:
April 24, 2017; Montmagny Square, a 28-year-old man had sex with an 11-year-old girl. The case was judged as an indecent assault (Faced with the lack of violence and the victim's consent) and not for rape (pedophilia). (jurisprudence conflict- Pontoise court)). Currently French case law only considers under-5s automatically victims of rape.
Due to recent recurring cases they have decided to elaborate laws to remove ambiguity over the word consent, impose a more severe, rigid penalty and high costs. And here we come to the Shiappa law. Lawyers failed to prove that the girls did not give consent.

What has changed with the Shiappa law? Increased penalties and money to be paid. But, the question is: does it still happen in practice? Have they removed the ambiguity of the word consent? In its final version, the Schiapa law states that for children under the age of 15, "moral restraint or surprise is characterized by abuse of the vulnerability of the victim who lacks the necessary judgment for these acts." However, "vulnerability" and "surprise" leaves room for pedophiles to escape punishment before the law.

In summary, the new law does not define a legal age of consent despite the fact that there is already a legal age for penalties, which means that adults who have sex with children will not be arrested for rape if the victim can not prove the existence of violence, threat or rape.

And now I say, have they closed the door to pedophilia? What I see is the state making more money and punishing more time in jail, but not solving the real problem, which in theory was the intent of the Schiappa law. A new way of do nothing new.

[jj2007]

In its final version, the Schiapa law states that for children under the age of 15, "moral restraint or surprise is characterized by abuse of the vulnerability of the victim who lacks the necessary judgment for these acts." However, "vulnerability" and "surprise" leaves room for pedophiles to escape punishment before the law.

In summary, the new law does not define a legal age of consent despite the fact that there is already a legal age for penalties, which means that adults who have sex with children will not be arrested for rape if the victim can not prove the existence of violence, threat or rape.

I see you are peddling back a little from your initial "the socialists want pedophilia to be legal". Good. What about this:

Schiappa had announced that an age of sexual consent for minors would be set, as in other European countries. A principle finally abandoned in the face of a risk of unconstitutionality. Instead, the bill provides that the moral constraint or the surprise (notions allowing to characterize a rape) are defined by an "abuse of vulnerability of the victim not having the necessary discernment for these acts".

The "socialists" (remember Macron is a conservative...) have introduced a law that improves the rights and protection of kids. Which doesn't stop certain media to declare the contrary. It's called "fake news" or "alternative facts".

[nidud]

@nidud 

The Norway welfare state has been financed by oil -

No. The revenue from the oil industry can't be used for welfare or investment inside the state given this will create hyper inflation and crash the economy.

The welfare cost in Norway is financed the same way as in Denmark, Sweden and Finland but it's a very small part of the budget, less than foreign aid, so it doesn't play a significant role in the overall economy.

socialism works great when there are no financial constraints.

A contradiction in terms but okay.

Were resources scarce, the nice "way of life" models Norway export to the World would not feasible. 

Is this really happening?

Maybe you should pick another country then where resources are scarce with a nice way of life and use that as a model instead?

[hutch--]

 

There are many other things that effect a country's economy, multi-nationals ripping the guts out of the country by buying out the politicians, then some countries get PHUKED over by the World Bank or the IMF so they can be asset stripped and turned into a charity case noting how cold charity is these days. If they don't conform they get invaded for their resources and who cares (by the invaders) about the loss of life and lifestyle of the survivors.

Without the international parasites, most countries can afford to feed their own and distribute the national wealth in an equitable manner but this will be fought to the end by such interests as those who want to keep raping other countries economies. The Chinese have the solution, they invest in other countries, build their infrastructure for them and they both profit from the venture. The IMF and World bank are going through lean times at the moment and lets hope they end up flat on their arse and broke.  :P

[aw27]

The revenue from the oil industry can't be used for welfare or investment inside the state

Looks like a convoluted way of explaining the reality - but I have nothing against the reality.  :t
It is legitimate and acceptable. Eventually more than the financial and tax evasion schemes against other countries that Switzerland, Luxembourg and Ireland use.
One thing is certain, there is always an explanation for richness!
We have an intelligent proverb which has no translation or equivalent in English (AFAIK):
"Quem cabritos vende e cabras não tem de algum lado lhe vêm"
It translates more or less like this:
Who sells kids and goats do not have from some side they come to him

[caballero]

To distribute wealth is necessary to generate it first. I think this is doing very well China, where the middle class is growing enormously.

Taxes are largely for the middle class. In any case, taxes make a transfer of wealth from productive to less productive people. If you do not establish a scale you will get productive people to fall into non-productive ones, which will end up eroding the productive abb.

@nidud

If something works, do not change it

If socialism or communism works in Norway, you'd better not to change it. One can attribute success to oil, but it is not all. Look at the case of Venezuela, rich in oil and with millions of people leaving the country. Their prime minister blocks their bank accounts to these people, which reminds me somewhat of the Berlin Wall. Who can want to leave paradise?. 99 red baloons

I guess it's hard to talk about economics without talking about politics. But I wanted to talk about the economy and the technology that comes. In my first post I talked about it. It seems that the economy is contracting and technology is getting to revolutionize the way we understood the economy until now. For example, Amazon seems to be eating retail in the USA. It is going to bet on cars without driver or even to share it with strangers, which will cause lower sales. Who will need taxi drivers? Some countries are betting on AI, devoting a large economic capital for research. AI that will make much human labor unnecessary, on the contrary, it will also need skilled labor for its maintenance, I suppose.

[nidud]

The revenue from the oil industry can't be used for welfare or investment inside the state

Looks like a convoluted way of explaining the reality - but I have nothing against the reality.  :t
It is legitimate and acceptable. Eventually more than the financial and tax evasion schemes against other countries that Switzerland, Luxembourg and Ireland use.
One thing is certain, there is always an explanation for richness!
We have an intelligent proverb which has no translation or equivalent in English (AFAIK):
"Quem cabritos vende e cabras não tem de algum lado lhe vêm"
It translates more or less like this:
Who sells kids and goats do not have from some side they come to him

I don't understand anything of that but selling kids and other perverted sexual fantasies seems to pop up here for some reason.

If something works, do not change it

If socialism or communism works in Norway,

Well, we haven't really tried out socialism or communism yet so I cant say how that will work in Norway.

you'd better not to change it.

The current government is a coalition of liberals, conservatives, evangelicals, and the Tea-Party but I'm not really in charge of these things so there you go.

[HSE]

I don't understand anything of that but selling kids and other perverted sexual

A kid is a goat's son (a little goat).

[nidud]

I guess it's hard to talk about economics without talking about politics.

No kidding.

For example, Amazon seems to be eating retail in the USA.

High paying jobs replaced with low paying jobs. So who has the leverage after this transaction?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7CJpUO-cqE

It is going to bet on cars without driver or even to share it with strangers, which will cause lower sales.

You think lower salaries may also be a factor in lower sales?

[mineiro]

I see you are peddling back a little from your initial "the socialists want pedophilia to be legal". Good. What about this:

Sorry, but you're misrepresenting my comment, I did not say that, you're trying to being persuasive. I said that the Schiappa law was drafted by the Socialists.

The "socialists" (remember Macron is a conservative...) have introduced a law that improves the rights and protection of kids. Which doesn't stop certain media to declare the contrary. It's called "fake news" or "alternative facts".

Another conflict of opinion. Emanuel Macron was minister of the economy in a socialist government, began his race affiliate to the socialist party and only after founded his own party coalition, En March! . If you say that he is conservative because he is liberal in the economy then we have a clash. Better call him a centrist. Hence, either we are wrong or someone is right.

For me, fake news. There is a minimum age, 5 years old. There is a legal penalty age, 15 years; but there is no minimum (if you forgive 5 years and 15 years) age for sexual abuse (if I speak pedophilia you will question). If seen as alternative facts is due to the breach in the law that has not been remedied.

Nothing personal sir, just an discussion, nothing more than this.

[aw27]

I don't understand anything of that but selling kids and other perverted sexual fantasies seems to pop up here for some reason.

quoting some expert on the subject: 
All goats under 6 months of age are called kids. Female goats over the age of 6 months are generally called doelings.
Our version of "kid" derives from the German "kinder" for child. Back in the day, calling a child a "kid" was considered vulgar! But, as time passed, the stigma passed.
You can always tell a child "I’m calling you a kid because you’re acting like a baby goat."

[caballero]

Nice video, aw, mi little kid has laughed a lot with it