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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2018, 04:29:43 AM »
Podemos is the Spanish Syriza: communists, Marxists, Trotskyists and almost all ists.
 
One of the reference economists of Podemos said in a debate that he does not understand why people have to make an effort working and saving money, as long as the state is in charge of providing them with everything they need. What he did not say is where the state would get the resources in case no one work hard and save. But it is an opinion very consistent with its political ideal: the state is everything and provides everything, a communist system.

The left, in general, always says that the crisis is not because of excess spending but because of lack of income. There must be more currency in circulation. As a result, they tend always to increase taxes, increasing spending, achieving a higher level of income. But on what do they spend that money? Nobody knows, dust and straw. If at least they had a strategic investment plan in research it could make a lot of sense, the paradigm could be China that has gone from a small economy to one of the strongest in the world thanks to work and investments plans and research.

For example: They have paid 52,000 euros for a gender impact report in burying an urban highway. One might think that an urban work is a neutral gender. Well no, I was very wrong. This could be funny, but it really has more foundation than it seems at a first glance:
  - In the first place, this outdated social and economic policy tends to give a bit of unfeeling, therefore, joinning a fashionable trend such as feminism gives them a kinder feel. It's marketing. Because we all want to be modern, even if it's crap. What we are not willing is to look like an old fashioned guy.
  - In the second place, several cronies are designated as the maximum responsible for the new organism and they are endowed with a good salary. We already have more people working and of my maximum confidence.
  - Third, the price of things increases, more cost, in line with their ideological line.



Imagine that you have a car that you do not use many times and that you want to take advantage of. Therefore, you publish on a website where it is for those who want to use it in exchange for money. This is already happening and is increasingly demanded. What will happen then with car rental companies like AVIS, HERTZ, etc? What will happen to the taxi drivers?

If it is foreseen that the car construcures begin to soon commercialize cars without driver. Who will need the taxi drivers?

Regardless of what I want, this is happening and increasing as time goes by, in conjunction with the internet. Many other examples such as Amazon regarding retail, also in conjunction with the internet.

The question is: What can be done to minimize the impact on unemployment? As I see it, taxi drivers, for example, should lower their prices if they want to compete, because no one is obliged to take a taxi, besides car sharing is fashionable, it is more youthful.

The advantage of Amazon is that without taking the trouble to leave home, you can find any product, from a shoe to a book or even edible and you take it to the door of your house in record time and with very competitive prices. How can small business compete with this? In my opinion they would have to join, I speak of shoemakers, booksellers, butchers, etc on a website to offer a wide variety of products and compete with Amazon, and lower prices. Having something that Amazon does not have: personalized treatment.

All these examples have a common denominator: lower prices. How can this be done if the costs are increasing? The government raises its prices noticeably every year, then forces higher costs. If you raise taxes for your place, you will have to increase the prices. On the other hand we have a large external debt to pay, which forces us to maintain high tax burdens on people only to pay it: higher costs.

It's not that I want this, it's what the experts say is happening and it's going to happen with more force, it's the incremental line to the immediate future. The question is what to do to minimize the impact. Because it turns out that fewer and fewer people buy in retails because it is more comfortable and cheap to do it in Amazon, although ultimately it ends up hurting me in the future.

This is the analysis of the experts. But I say: sovereign debt is overinflated in Europe, USA, Japan, and lately also in China and India. It is more than likely that by some avatar of destiny some of these countries are in default and can not pay their debt. This would probably imply a domino effect on the other countries with great debt, curiously the most economically strong in the world. What would cause a "reset" in the global economic plane, of which nobody knows how it would come out. Then all the forecasts of the experts would go to the wastebasket and we would start again.

A generalized idea that strikes me is the desire to increase the salary, without another objective. Why would I prefer earning 5,000 € / month if my expenses amount to 4,950 € / month? I would prefer to charge € 1,000 / month with expenses of € 500 / month, and this way I would be more competitive, I could sell more and my income could be increasing. If we add to this a cost containment policy, it could soon reach, say, € 2,000 / month with expenses of € 700 / month.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2018, 05:35:17 AM »
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the state is everything and provides everything, a communist system
Communists and other Marx/Trotsky variations are moved by dogmas. They never adjust they never learn.
In this sense they are exactly the same as the Catholic Church (but without the pedophilia  :badgrin:).

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2018, 05:55:33 AM »
Communists and other Marx/Trotsky variations are moved by dogmas. They never adjust they never learn.

As demonstrated in China :t

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2018, 06:04:12 AM »
Communists and other Marx/Trotsky variations are moved by dogmas. They never adjust they never learn.

As demonstrated in China :t

Chineses are not communists, they use that tag fool people like you. There are 104 billionaires in China.

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2018, 09:00:10 AM »
Hello sir AW, first, thank you for showing me the insinuations on previous topics, and you're right, my knowledge of the English language is vile. Well, I will disagree with a comment from you, I try to be as honest and impersonal as possible.

Chinese China is communist, they just opened the economy. The state continues to control everything. A modern version of communism; that's why they buy everything they see ahead. An example of control is that in China are prohibited google, youtube, facebook, twitter, wikipedia, linkedin, dropbox, NYT, .... Communism is a more radical version of socialism, an example are artificial islands that ignore the sovereignty of other countries.

The failure of socialism / communism / Nazism / fascism is the same, money. Who is against capitalism does not know that other ideologies are made of money. The exploitation of citizens and workers by having to pay more taxes with the artificiality of the common good. Both systems exploit both resources and people.
I'd rather be this ambulant metamorphosis than to have that old opinion about everything

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2018, 10:19:06 AM »
Communists and other Marx/Trotsky variations are moved by dogmas. They never adjust they never learn.

As demonstrated in China :t

Chineses are not communists, they use that tag fool people like you. There are 104 billionaires in China.

They are communists, but they adjust and learn - from the ideologically fake form of the economy that we call "capitalism".

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2018, 01:56:45 PM »
@mineiro
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China is communist, they just opened the economy. The state continues to control everything. A modern version of communism; that's why they buy everything they see ahead. An example of control is that in China are prohibited google, youtube, facebook, twitter, wikipedia, linkedin, dropbox, NYT,
State controlling and prohibiting does not mean communism. They are indeed doing a peaceful transition to capitalism - it is obvious, everyday more capitalism and less communism. Chinese people does not want that communism crap - they are businessmen by heart (have you ever seen those millions of 1 dollar shops that appear everywhere like mushrooms?). The chinese leaders are slowly relinquishing to keep their arses safe. The same will happen with North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela. Who can be happy in these countries?

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They are communists, but they adjust and learn - from the ideologically fake form of the economy that we call "capitalism".
Ahah, they have giant private companies like Alibaba to show that they are indeed communists!  :t
Open your eyes, all countries move away from socialism/communism to the decadent capitalism - some move faster, other slower. This is the trend.
No country ever moved from capitalism to communist except through a bloody revolution - communism is so anti-natural   :dazzled:. They can wash your brains saying it is natural, it is not  :icon_eek:!

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2018, 03:33:36 PM »
China is a hard one to put a handle on apart from "Chinese". Their revolution was country population based in the days of Chairman Mao where Russia was effectively city based, China has a centralised one party government but a reasonably diverse economy that has not only state run enterprises but many privately owned ones as well. An overriding consideration in China is political stability as they have a long history of invasions, dynasty changes, occupation by foreigners until Mao's time and contrary to western propaganda, stability is more important to them than a phony idea of western democracy that is little better than a front for a corporate sector.

Track record says it all, while the west in endlessly imposing austerity, cost cutting and a draconian police state on its own people, China has pulled something like 40% of its population out of poverty, has produced a massive economy, built massive infrastructure in its own country as well as others and has a big enough military to discourage anyone from trying to attack them.

What's in a name, China is not communist, its China.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2018, 10:16:37 PM »
China is led by the Chinese Communist Party ,the only one that has ruled China since 1949, with a more or less heterodox Marxist / Leninist bias, from Confucius to the economic market. Multi-partyism is only a facade.
The state companies were not abandoned. Representatives of the parties keep their relatives in state boards (King of Telecommunications).
The Chinese party controls all lands (the party rents land to the Chinese people), the high command of the economy (many businessmen are party members), beliefs, grouping of people (party dissidents are persecuted), birth control, internet and public opinion. Do Chinese people have a right to private property? No, and this is the crux of capitalism. Assumed corruption is treated with death (particulary I like this) instead of jail.
And finally, Xi Jinping approved a constitutional amendment that could remain in power indefinitely. This generated popular reaction in Chinese social networks, but as they control the internet the messages were deleted hours later.

What has changed are gray suits for black suits.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2018, 10:41:17 PM »
Do Chinese people have a right to private property? No
There are 104 billionaires in China.

Maybe you two could try to reach a consensus via PMs?

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2018, 11:27:33 PM »
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Representatives of the parties keep their relatives in state boards
This is what happen in western countries as well, it is called "jobs for the boys and their families".

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Do Chinese people have a right to private property?
You mean land and other real estate? Yes, even more right than in the western countries.
They receive a leasehold for 70 years, renewed after that (this is what is expected to happen, probably no 70 year leasehold expired yet).
What happens in western countries? In western countries, they say that you "own" the land but you have to pay every year from 2 to 4 percent of its value in property taxes! So after 70 years you paid more than twice what you initially paid for it! So, you don't really own the land, you have to keep paying for it year after year or the government will confiscate it.  :(

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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2018, 12:03:27 AM »
mineiro,

We will differ over this, a casual grasp of the Russian Revolution gives you a good idea of the Marxist / Leninist ideology, where it gained its support and how it was executed. Compare this with Mao's long march around much of the country where his support was primarily rural and where the country was at wars with Japan and you will understand its origins. Rebuilding China after WW2 was a massive task that the nationalists failed to perform but under Mao, the whole country was mobilised and over a long period succeeded in getting China up and going again.

It is a mistake to try and evaluate China through a western view, it was a civilisation before most others existed but over thousands of years it suffered from wars, warlords, massacres, invasions and the like and the sense of cooperation as a society is very strong in China.

> The Chinese party controls all lands

What's new, so do most other countries including the major western ones. If they want "your" land they just take it and you probably won't get paid for it.

> Multi-partyism is only a facade

No, it just does not exist, it is a one party state.

> the high command of the economy (many businessmen are party members)

Just like most other countries, especially the western ones.

> And finally, Xi Jinping approved a constitutional amendment that could remain in power indefinitely.

Yes, its a method of countering foreign influence with orange revolutions funded by foreign countries. Putin is very similar and for the same reason.

If you look at the structure of government in China, its not Marxist / Leninist, its Chinese and based off its very long history.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2018, 03:59:09 AM »
What happens in western countries? In western countries, they say that you "own" the land but you have to pay every year from 2 to 4 percent of its value in property taxes! So after 70 years you paid more than twice what you initially paid for it! So, you don't really own the land, you have to keep paying for it year after year or the government will confiscate it.  :(

Yes :biggrin: that's right, it's a way of slavery. That's reminds me a sketch of Asterix and Obelix, in Spanish, but it is very funny.
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2018, 09:06:51 AM »
communism is so anti-natural   :dazzled:. They can wash your brains saying it is natural, it is not  :icon_eek:!

HAHAHAHA, now tell me, you man, what is natural?  :idea:
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Re: Economic Tendencies
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2018, 03:54:05 PM »
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That's reminds me a sketch of Asterix and Obelix, in Spanish, but it is very funny
The Mansion of the Gods  :biggrin:

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HAHAHAHA, now tell me, you man, what is natural

After rebuilding it becomes natural, people that previously though it was not natural were expurgated.
Check what happened in Russia, China and more recently North Korea.
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