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TimoVJL

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New missiles
« on: December 28, 2018, 07:29:33 AM »
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Re: New missiles
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2018, 07:45:54 AM »
i readed today without any detail that putin (rusia) has new missiles that are undetectable...Anyway, if there are issues like those you are saying, well it seems to me the classical problem of capitalism: produce fast, you have competitors around, there's no time to ensure for people health or safety...  :(
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Re: New missiles
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2018, 11:23:29 AM »
This much I have learnt over time, there are no good guys and bad guys in international politics, they are all bad guys. If you get a bear and keep goading it with a stick, the bear gets angry and lashes out at the person who is goading it. For the NATO alliance, Russia has a massive range of military hardware and is willing to defend itself so there is some wisdom in not goading it with an endless collection of phony accusations and sabre rattling as a nuclear war between the US and Russia would leave both countries a smoking hole in the ground.

Anyone old enough would be familiar with the old Soviet attempts to control the world as is the case with the US government currently going broke trying to control the world and the recent history of the Nazi-Japanese attempts to control the world. Empires come and go when they run out of money or lose their last war yet the next bunch never learn and try and do the same thing.

We are all generally safer living in a multi polar world where one super power no longer dictates to the rest. The balance of power based off mutually assured destruction (MAD) is a reminder that no-one wins a nuclear war. The US has the problem that its "New World Order" neo-cons will keep sucking the life out of main street America with a rediculous level of military spending when what the US really needs is its money being spent on Americans with infrastructure, roads, bridges, jobs, education and rebuilding its industry.

I put aside most of the criticism of President Trump as America's looney left and their mainstream media still have not got over Billary losing the last presidential election but it looks like Trump is trying to keep his election promise of getting out of a quagmire like Syria and Afghanistan but if he succeeds in "draining the swamp" he will have reversed the parasitic nature of the "Military Industrial Complex" that IKE warned the US about.
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Re: New missiles
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2018, 02:29:02 PM »
The balance of power based off mutually assured destruction (MAD)

Interesting concept. I think we all can speculate about the future, if things will ever change or not. Meanwhile, we are just like the oldest humans, but with more consciousness and power. This also happen in low scale, it's some kind of trade off, but in capitalism, the bigger your wallet, the bigger you can loose, win or break someone else  :idea:.
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Re: New missiles
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 06:17:31 AM »
Best reply is Bob Dylans "Masters of war"

https://youtu.be/h2mabTnMHe8

Lyrics
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Songwriters: Bob Dylan

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Re: New missiles
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 06:55:55 AM »
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I can see that, may i ask you why?
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Re: New missiles
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 04:04:37 PM »
I actually own a vinyl of the 1966 recording of Masters Of War by Jose Feliciano which is the best version I ever heard. I found it on Youtube but some loco weed effected moron has remixed it with far too much base and treble boost which killed the vocal presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRN0M4QS3Q

I have long ago heard a very good version of Dylan singing the song but I cannot find it on Youtube, it was recorded before 1970.

This track was my favourite back then. Black Sabbath's War Pigs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv4B3Rn5vWg
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