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« Reply #195 on: October 03, 2019, 08:51:47 PM »
AW, to answer your question, no.

What is the connection between Smoking and Anthropogenic Climate Change?
What is the parallel here I'm obviously missing.
Or is it the "oil-funded" framing excuse again?
Government funded subjective science is the way to go....

Nidud, I was referring to your link of the Norwegian scientific study (climate change denial among conservative Norwegian men) by a sociologist not knowing the difference between "climate change denial" and "anthropogenic climate change denial".

The shared 100% consensus is, no one can deny climate change, simply because it has and will always change.
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« Reply #196 on: October 03, 2019, 09:16:55 PM »
What is the connection between Smoking and Anthropogenic Climate Change?
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The connection is that the Heartland Institute receives money from the industry to reject scientific evidence related to acid rain, ozone hole, DDT, smoking/second-hand smoking  and anthropogenic climate change. Although individual citizens may have particular opinions about some of these issues, most times divergences are due to ignorance, political options or own private, local or national interests, organizations like the Heartland Institute are large scale mercenary entities that defend causes for money and nothing but the money.

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« Reply #197 on: October 03, 2019, 09:25:36 PM »
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Like governments fund alarmists to reject real climate science evidence but to promote flawed climate models?
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« Reply #198 on: October 04, 2019, 12:13:35 AM »
...receives money from the industry to reject scientific evidence related ...

Perhaps sounds trivial, investigation funding is at the heart of the problem. But rising fundings to true investigations will not solve the debate, because true sciences are very slow and, more important, are really boring to public.

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« Reply #199 on: October 04, 2019, 12:47:12 AM »
"anthropogenic climate change denial" have an easy task, just prove that CO2 don't harm climate and where that CO2 came from ?
any links for it ?

EDIT:
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect-basic.htm
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 02:26:52 AM by TimoVJL »
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« Reply #200 on: October 04, 2019, 01:31:27 AM »
just prove that CO2 don't harm climate and where that CO2 came from ?

Sorry, where is the prove that CO2 is responsible of climate fluctuations?

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« Reply #201 on: October 04, 2019, 01:42:44 AM »
As best I know, it is an assumption based of sketchy knowledge of Venus which has a very high temperature at the surface but what the assumption misses is that Venus has a much larger atmosphere than Earth and far higher atmospheric pressure that Earth. The fallacy of the assumption that Earth could go the same way is there is no way to produce the VOLUME of Venus's atmosphere. Its a standard bullsh*t driven assumption that carbon dioxide will produce the same effect as Venus.
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« Reply #202 on: October 04, 2019, 02:06:49 AM »
The first assessment was the Tyndall experiment made circa 1850.

"Tyndall noticed that gases made of more than one element, such as water vapour (H2O) or carbon dioxide (CO2), tend to absorb more energy from the infra-red rays than gases made of a single type of element, such as hydrogen or oxygen. He argued this provides evidence of atomic bonding: it wouldn’t happen if water was just a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen atoms. On this, he was partially right. We now know that what matters isn’t just the existence of molecular bonds, but whether the molecules are asymmetric—after all, oxygen gas molecules (O2) are also pairs of atoms bonded together."



Here is a nice Youtube video explaining it all for people that want to learn, if they don't or rely more in non-scientific explanations just skip it.
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/nvdtwm-sci-co2evidence/evidence-that-carbon-dioxide-traps-heat-decoding-the-weather-machine/



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« Reply #203 on: October 04, 2019, 02:15:59 AM »
Hi Hutch and Atelier!

Just a joke for Timo. We have already discussed the problems to prove things in a way or in the other.

Nidud mention Venus but size and distance from Sun (and here levels of irradiance) are so important that is not posible serious speculations about gases (or other things).

A very interesting study in development is to measure Sun's emisions. A companion project is to forecast true emissions from Sun (and from here a better estimate of radiance recieved by planets). First satelite was operative close to Sun (1200°C at sensor face) from beginning of 2019, but at least 4 satelites in fixed positions are requiered.

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« Reply #204 on: October 04, 2019, 02:18:25 AM »
Perhaps sounds trivial, investigation funding is at the heart of the problem.

There is no investigation funding, they just contract retired scientists close or above their 80 y.o. to preach against science.

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« Reply #205 on: October 04, 2019, 02:31:18 AM »
Sorry, where is the prove that CO2 is responsible of climate fluctuations?

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.

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« Reply #206 on: October 04, 2019, 02:32:53 AM »
Real investigators don't obtain funds for serious projects (or at least is more easy if you support human damage to climate).

retired scientists close or above their 80 y.o

Of course, to sign that political statement can finish a scientific career.

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« Reply #207 on: October 04, 2019, 02:34:45 AM »
No truer word was ever said, PHUN - DING is the source of climate hysteria, no hysteria, no PHUN - DING.  :tongue:
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« Reply #208 on: October 04, 2019, 02:38:57 AM »
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.
In a jar perhaps you can prove that Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which is not in doubt.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
« Reply #209 on: October 04, 2019, 03:04:31 AM »
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas so it's possible to do scientific research on this using a greenhouse (or a plastic jar) to prove this effect.
In a jar perhaps you can prove that Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which is not in doubt.

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Well, if you use two jars, one with CO2 and the other without, the temperature in the first one will increase more than the last one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ