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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2019, 09:26:41 PM »
Is there any real material to read about this case ?
Who can we believe ?
Now both Mann and Ball are not credible anymore ?

Science don't depend of those persons.

EDIT the title, as it was misleading.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2019, 12:10:18 AM by TimoVJL »
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM - David Icke | London Real
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2019, 11:15:43 PM »
I think this Quora page contains a lot of info on the subject. For me, is enough but I am not set to become an expert on the subject.  :biggrin:

https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Michael-Mann-who-invented-the-hockey-stick-model-refuse-to-release-his-cherry-picked-research-data-in-a-court-of-law

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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2019, 11:21:36 PM »
Is there any real material to read about this case ?
Who can we believe ?
Now both Mann and Ball are not credible anymore ?

Science don't depend of those persons.

https://www.bccourts.ca/search_judgments.aspx

The judgment is not posted yet.
Could take a month before it is.

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/

 :biggrin: I wonder who is paying for Mann’s legal fees?  :biggrin:
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2019, 11:57:58 PM »
The Quora answer is quite exhaustive, including the video - thanks AW :thumbsup:

https://www.bccourts.ca/search_judgments.aspx

Did you actually find something there? I am curious to see it.


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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2019, 12:16:08 AM »
Hi Jochen,

The judgment is not posted yet.
Could take a month before it is.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2019, 12:21:46 AM »
In the meantime, reading the Quora answer is a good idea :tongue:

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Michael Mann:

“The BC Court never made any finding that I failed to produce any data. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or facilitating a lie.”

The data behind the famous “Hockey Stick” was not “cherry picked”. It is affirmed by The National Academy of Sciences.

The link attached here refers to a conspiracy denier blog and the creationist Tim Ball, who again, had to declare himself wacko to weasel himself out of a court trial. As he has done several times in the past.

Here is the simple truth;

“Ball requested that the lawsuit be terminated.”

Michael E. Mann explains:

“p.s. What does it say about Tim Ball's honesty (and that of the right-wingers trumpeting the latest court development) that they conveniently failed to note that Ball sought to dismiss the case based on (a) his alleged health problems and (b) the assertion that his defamatory remarks about me were largely ignored anyway”

Tim Ball was able to get the case dismissed based on:
1. Complaints about his age and poor health
2. Arguing his attacks on me were impotent anyway.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2019, 12:40:12 AM »
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Mann’s statement is here: https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1164910044414189568

In short, Mann’s ugly responsive legal statement is (a) stark admission he lost fair and square, and (b) a disingenuous argument that the Dismissal was granted merely on the basis of Mann’s “delay” in not submitting his R2 numbers ( https://www.datatechnotes.com/2019/02/regression-model-accuracy-mae-mse-rmse.html ) in timely fashion.

Well, Mikey, you are the plaintiff and Tim gave you over 8 YEARS to get your case together!

On that point, this is where readers may wish to refer to the article ‘Fatal Courtroom Act Ruins Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann‘ (July 4, 2017).
https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

In it offered analysis as to Mann’s fatal legal error. As Dr Ball explained at that time:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions.
The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”

As explained in the article, Mann (and his crooked lawyer) had shown bad faith, thereby rendering his case liable for dismissal.

After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?
The Scientific Method demands transparency so others can replicate your findings.
A real “scientist” knows this.

Until you publish the raw 'hockey stick' data for other scientists, functionally you are a fraud, no matter what transpires in any Court.
And the fact that you withhold such info but are still a leading proponent of anthropogenic climate change greatly undermines your case.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2019, 06:15:25 AM »
Another lawsuit won against the Climate Alarmists.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-16/jcu-scientist-peter-ridd-sacking-unlawful-federal-court-judgment/11021554

Sacked for speaking out about Climate Change - Professor Peter Ridd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7j75L38PlI
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2019, 08:07:25 AM »
After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?

Because it's not necessary. The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick :tongue:

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2019, 10:48:41 AM »
After 9 years why do you refuse to show your work?

Because it's not necessary. The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick :tongue:

So if that is a fact, why did Mann chose to lose his court case and pay the huge legal fees rather than show the data and algorithms used for his hockey stick graph?
In the eight years this ridiculous, multi-million dollar SLAPP suit has run, Mann has stooped to every trick to prevent open court examination of crucial equations that created his iconic ‘hockey stick’ graph.

Quote from Mann:

“I have made available all of the research data that I am required to under United States policy as set by the National Science Foundation….
 I maintain the right to decline to release any computer codes, which are my intellectual property…”  :tongue:
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2019, 12:02:24 PM »
 :biggrin:

> The data are public, and collected by many renowned agencies. Everybody who puts these data in a timeline gets a hockey stick

We already know how that is done, start with a defective climate model, feed it to the pseudo climate scientists, let a large number of them run the simulation according to that defective climate model and you get a large number of pseudo scientists producing the same result.
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2019, 05:43:15 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-hockey-stick-the-most-controversial-chart-in-science-explained/275753/

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National Academy of Sciences are one of the most respectable scientific academies of the world. They hold a very strong position in the US, all the way back to when it was founded by Abraham Lincoln. As of 2016, the National Academy of Sciences includes about 2,350 members and 450 foreign associates. Approximately 200 members have won a Nobel Prize.

Note the "Approximately". But of course, you know better :thumbsup:

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2019, 06:14:35 PM »
Maybe in canada had to pay legal expenses, if someone sue a retard, incapacitated or who don't have any clue what he/she talks ?
A freedom of speech.
Lawyers keeps process going on, as long someone is paying.

In this case releasing IP material was not necessary, as it was already researched and similar data was public.
The court stated the defendant incapacitated to respond ?
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2019, 06:16:24 PM »
If you waited until the second coming and the Messiah arrived in person, it still would not fix a broken climate model. With climate models you are not talking about FACT, you are talking about collective OPINION and so far it has been wrong. While "climate change" has a 4.5 billion year history, climate scientists have a lousy track record, polar bears that cannot swim, sea level that refuse to rise, a history of climatic swings over the last few thousand years that had nothing to do with cars or people or cows breaking wind.

Yet another crock of bullsh*t about the climate is changing the fastest it has ever changed, go back 11 thousand years to the period called the "Younger Dryas" and you have extremely rapid climate change. The real action is not in lining the pockets of the global elite, its in denying them the money that would be far better spent cleaning up the ocean, reducing pollution, prevent further deforestation, stop wasting resources etc etc etc ....

This is how much the Earth needs from us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlHE6DYL7Mo

We need it far more than it needs us.
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2019, 12:27:39 AM »
sea level that refuse to rise
:biggrin:  Global sea level is risen 3 cm every 10 years. Satelital system that take that measure reached their position in 1998. First evaluation in 2008 was taken with caution. Confirmation in 2018 was more public.