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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« on: March 01, 2020, 02:52:25 AM »
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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2020, 05:55:01 AM »
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well they sold out masks here for coming corona so its probably better than nothing :badgrin:
 
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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2020, 08:51:44 AM »
I have heard many contradictory things about corona from different places and since no body may believe in mass media any more, there is an indeterminacy in people which causes them to deplete the stocks of masks in the market. It does not seem more serious than a common flu. So, why so much hysteria?
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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2020, 01:06:28 PM »
It does not seem more serious than a common flu. So, why so much hysteria?

Mortality is a factor 50 higher. Plus, about 15% of all infected people need a bed in the reanimation department. Since it's even more contagious than the common flu, you will need (e.g. in Spain, assuming 50% contagion) about 47e6*0.5*0.15=3.5 Million hospital beds in the reanimation department.

In Italy, contagion is right now approaching 0.002% (about 1200 cases), thanks to extremely rigorous measures. What about Spain?

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/02/28/actualidad/1582875225_093333.html
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En España, Sanidad ha confirmado en su último recuento 46 casos de coronavirus, a los que se han sumado en las últimas horas nueve nuevos contagios en Cataluña, Madrid, Canarias, Baleares, Andalucía y País Vasco. Además, Cantabria, Navarra y Asturias han identificado su primer caso, respectivamente

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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2020, 05:31:16 PM »
It does not seem more serious than a common flu. So, why so much hysteria?

Mortality is a factor 50 higher. Plus, about 15% of all infected people need a bed in the reanimation department. Since it's even more contagious than the common flu, you will need (e.g. in Spain, assuming 50% contagion) about 47e6*0.5*0.15=3.5 Million hospital beds in the reanimation department.

In Italy, contagion is right now approaching 0.002% (about 1200 cases), thanks to extremely rigorous measures. What about Spain?

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/02/28/actualidad/1582875225_093333.html
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En España, Sanidad ha confirmado en su último recuento 46 casos de coronavirus, a los que se han sumado en las últimas horas nueve nuevos contagios en Cataluña, Madrid, Canarias, Baleares, Andalucía y País Vasco. Además, Cantabria, Navarra y Asturias han identificado su primer caso, respectivamente
The flu you can at least get vaccine for,especially important for old people who can die of flu,because of too weak immune system
Nobody wants many of their relatives and friends die or worry about yourself get sick , until vaccine has been developed and produced to get enough to whole population
I hope nobody gets corona here or elsewhere

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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2020, 07:15:34 PM »
I have read here and there, and there is no way to have a solid opinion, it depends on who counts it. I tend to think that it is very similar to a common flu. I believe that people are alarmed, above all, by the images that come from China and because nobody believes the official versions of any kind.

There is a WhatsApp audio that has gone viral these days from a sanitarian that has attended a talk by specialists in the field and has sent it to their relatives. Basically it comes to say that it is a flu with few mucus. The best prevention is to wash your hands.

Here is the play:
https://cadenaser.com/ser/2020/02/29/sociedad/1582981811_450004.html

In Spain there are no special prevention measures. No one could be quarantined here, it would be impossible.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2020, 08:44:34 PM »
I have read here and there, and there is no way to have a solid opinion, it depends on who counts it. I tend to think that it is very similar to a common flu. I believe that people are alarmed, above all, by the images that come from China and because nobody believes the official versions of any kind.
but its just natural to fear and worry if it will become some very serious illness,like 1918-1920 there was a very serious illness like flu,but many young people died and we all read about black death in school,but you stop fear and worry when they have some good cure and/or vaccine
I watch japanese tv and some companies sent home their workforce to work from home instead,I think some people maybe like to work from home and feel more comfortable at home,than commute among lots of people,which some might carry the corona virus
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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2020, 09:38:37 PM »
> like 1918-1920 there was a very serious illness like flu
Yes, the Spanish flu, a flu that wasn't Spaniard  :biggrin:

It is inevitable that this disease or any other spread throughout the planet because we are not prepared to isolate ourselves, in fact it is politically incorrect to do so.

There are many unknowns about this virus, but it seems that in its current format it does not seem of greater impact than a normal flu. Another thing is if it mutates to something worse. Hopefully not. In any case it seems likely that with the arrival of good weather, summer, will disappear and remain within the reservoirs. Only that by then it will have already passed to the southern hemisphere with its winter, where it could mutate for next winter in the north.

I want to think that it will go to the list of "usual" diseases.

If as a group it does not seem feasible to isolate ourselves, perhaps it could be done at the individual level. Telecommuting would not be a bad option. Many people do, we are in the 21st century.
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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2020, 08:47:57 PM »
Beautiful song by Vienna classical cellos. Oh God, corona affected the music too  :bgrin:

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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2020, 05:39:31 AM »
the COVID-19 is an new virus. she is a sister of SARSr-CoV, but powerful than it.Mortality is an about 10%. the COVID-19 is to use all but mouse ACE2 as an entry receptor in the ACE2-expressing cells.
the People's frist symptoms are like the common flu,cough,high fever(37.3C),and then can't breathing after two weeks.

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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2020, 06:52:22 AM »
> Mortality is an about 10%
Spanish flu mortality was stimated between 10% and 20%. Do you say that it is similar?

References I have seen say its mortality is between 2% and 4% within China and 0,7% outside.

https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-51708029

It seems that the age range with the highest percentage of deaths is from 80 years. In children there seems to be no deaths from this cause. The age range where their contagion is most likely is between 40 and 50 years, where their percentage of deaths is very low.

If your age is lower than 60, it seems that you don't have anything to worry about.

In any case I do not believe that this virus can be controlled in time. So, hope, it is not as bad as you say. We will see what its development will be this month in Europe to get an idea.
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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2020, 07:16:33 AM »
> antivirus recommendation wanted
because the COVID-19 is an newer,there is no any medicines or vaccines for using.until die or restored to health with your immune system.
only a way:
if you are healthy,stay home. if you must go out,protecting your mouth,your nose,your eye with the glass and the N95 stocks of masks. back home,wash your hands with the 75% alcohol.
if you are not healthy(with coughing,high fevering),go to hospital quickly for isolating,avoiding to spread your family members or friends. 

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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2020, 07:32:41 AM »
>References I have seen say its mortality is between 2% and 4% within China and 0,7% outside.
that is the official datas,many died people with the COVID-19 had not MEASURED. said to other sickness.

the COVID-19 mortality is not related the people's difference in age. only relating the people's immune system。
for example:
if the people's immune system is powerful enough,the people will be alive,No matter his(her) ages is 96 years old or 20 days baby.
if the people's immune system is weak enough,the people will be die,No matter his(her) ages is 45 years strong or 29 years Young.

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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2020, 08:25:51 AM »
Your figures let me worried about its proximity to SARS. I have heard already similar explanations. The point is that I don't see people coughing or symptomatic in real life. It is starting in Europe, maybe for so.

> COVID-19 mortality is not related the people's difference in age. only relating the people's immune system

For sure. They are statistics. They are related to Edad/Age, Condición física/phisic condition and Sex/Sexo.



Starting from 50 years old, the disease is more severe
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Re: antivirus recommendation wanted
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2020, 09:30:53 AM »
Another, fairly complete data collection: Worldometer