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Title: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 20, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
This is turning out to be a very challenging project.
I am trying to get an R-60 IBM Thinkpad working right.

It was booting up into Win XP but it was on F: drive. ??

Later it said there were errors on the C: drive, it fixed a few buy I aborted it which was probably dumb of me.

Now I have set a password for the hard disk and either I am putting in the wrong one or who knows ?

I can't boot from a bootable pendrive or P.E. disk.

I tried a password recovery program on a pendrive, but no go.

Paperweight ?

Andy
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: dedndave on December 20, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
you just need to google around a bit...

http://www.passwordunlocker.com/knowledge/reset-lenovo-thinkpad-password.html (http://www.passwordunlocker.com/knowledge/reset-lenovo-thinkpad-password.html)

that may not be what you want - just google til you get happy   :biggrin:

if your password has numbers, don't use the tenkey pad to enter them
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 20, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
I can get it started and have trying for a while to figure out why Windows isn't recognizing the network adaptor and some other hardware.

Andy
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Tedd on December 21, 2012, 03:36:15 AM
chdsk C: /r

You'll have to reboot for it be able to start, and it can take some time, especially if there are bad sectors; progress can also appear to hang sometimes - if there's no disk activity for an extended period, then it probably has got stuck (hard reboot and do over.)
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 21, 2012, 04:22:37 AM
I have got it going.

Had to reinstall Lan and Audio drivers so it could see some of the hardware that Windows could not find.

It's able to connect to my wireless network, install progs etc.

Chkdisk did not find any problems.

Andy
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Vortex on December 21, 2012, 05:42:32 AM
Hi Magnum,

Did you check the event logs?
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 21, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
There were no errors in the Application Section.

I want to install my Business Office so I can write and read doc files.

I did what m.s. said to fix this, but nothing has worked so for.

No biggie, I think there are freeware programs that can open and write to doc files.

Andy

Product: Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Small Business -- Error 1933. The Windows Installer service cannot update one or more protected Windows files. SFP Error: 1223.  List of protected files:\r\nf:\program files\common files\microsoft shared\web server extensions\40\bin\fpencode.dll
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: hutch-- on December 21, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
Andy,

If its a dud disk, get another one and re-install Windows. It will save you some massive amount of grief.
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 21, 2012, 09:52:30 AM
The laptop is my daughter and is several years old.

She lent it to someone and it got a virus.
It was cleaned.

I was trying to tweak it and deleted something important and then it wouldn't boot right, so it was put away in storage.

I have installed AVG, and Spybot, and checked the disk for surface errors.

It has only 1 Gb of ram, but it runs pretty fast.

Looks like a little more work adding RAM than for a desktop.

Andy

Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: jj2007 on December 21, 2012, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: Magnum on December 21, 2012, 08:45:00 AMList of protected files:\r\nf:\program files\common files\microsoft shared\web server extensions\40\bin\fpencode.dll

You saw this one, Andy?

PRJ2000: "Error 1933" error message when you install Microsoft Office 2000 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324500)
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 21, 2012, 01:00:21 PM
I did that one. No problem, I installed OpenOffice.

Andy

I was going thru my computer parts box and found an IDE drive.

I started wondering if I could backup an image to it from my laptop.

Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 22, 2012, 12:02:19 AM
The good, the bad, and...

The good is that I learned where the hard drive is and took apart the keyboard and disconnected the backup battery.It was a struggle with my large fingers.

I could get into XP but not without a password. I wanted to get into the BIOS to eliminate need for a pw to access hard drive.

IBM informs me that my computer has been tampered with.

No Sherlock, it's being worked on. Was it designed this way so someone would have to buy a new hard drive ?

This isn't a NSA computer here.  :t

Andy


Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: dedndave on December 22, 2012, 12:32:40 AM
well - you're working on an older machine   :P

laptops and notebooks are famous for being stolen, moreso than desktops
manufacturers try to put a certain layer of protection in there
over time, these protection layers have changed (hopefully improved)

if you google around, you can almost always find work-around or "kill switch" methods
which, kind of defeats the whole thing - lol
i guess they assume the theif doesn't know how to google   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 22, 2012, 12:56:54 AM
This may take a while but...  :t

             12/21/12

I called your customer service and got treated very poorly.

I wanted help with resetting the password on my BIOS so I could use my computer.

The person said there was no help available.

I ask for a supervisor and he said there was none.

I asked for his name and he said, "I have no name."

Is this standard protocol for IBM ?

I think it's reasonable to be treated with respect.

Best regards,
                     
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: dedndave on December 22, 2012, 01:09:13 AM
google it...

http://www.fixya.com/support/t2678381-forget_bios_password_laptop_ibm_thinkpad (http://www.fixya.com/support/t2678381-forget_bios_password_laptop_ibm_thinkpad)

or, if you really have to go deep...

http://sodoityourself.com/hacking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/ (http://sodoityourself.com/hacking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/)
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 22, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
I will try Option A.

I feel that it would be unreasonable for me to have to buy materials to use my computer.

Andy
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: dedndave on December 22, 2012, 01:48:45 AM
looks like about $5 worth of parts at radio shack prices
maybe $2 if you shop around online
pretty sure i have all that stuff in my junkbox   :P
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Zen on December 22, 2012, 06:35:12 AM
MAGNUM, 
I had an older T-series ThinkPad. The great thing about the T-series is that the hard drive has a hidden partition that has a re-install of the Operating System loaded on it. The R-series may have the same feature,...I don't know. To use this method, you must interrupt the normal start-up of the current Operating System by pressing the BLUE button. The machine will then re-install and configure the Windows Operating system and re-format the hard drive to the original factory specification,...this takes about an hour.
There are, however, some really nasty malware components out there,...some that will over-write your boot sector,...in which case, the re-install program will fail.
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 22, 2012, 10:50:38 AM
Dave,

The first option you posted didn't work.

The 2nd option could lead to a complete failure of the computer.

I am continuing with contacting IBM.

I am looking for a win-win situation for IBM and myself.

Andy
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 23, 2012, 05:32:14 AM
Today a nice computer technician said that it would take a mother board replacement to restore the I Bee MM Dinkpad.

He told me about various ways that computer companies do to "supposedly" deter theft.

Random Thought

I sell you a custom drill for $300. One day something falls over the cord ripping it from the wall and damaging the plug.

You are familiar with electronics and decide to replace the plug.

When you plug the drill in, a hidden compartment opens up and a tab comes out that says "This drill has been tampered with and is now non-operational."

Andy

Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: dedndave on December 23, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
you know the password is inside the real-time clock extra RAM, right ?
just take the battery out for a while and put it back in
Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 23, 2012, 06:06:23 AM
It's not stored there. Already tried that.

Like the earlier post said, unless they have a secret backdoor that no one knows about, I will be asking for a MB replacement.

And no, I will not be doing any dumpster diving to find a used one.  :t

Andy

Title: Re: Trying to get Thinkpad going
Post by: Magnum on December 28, 2012, 11:54:24 AM
I am leaning toward this option.

Or verify that shorting a couple of pins would work. (No extra hardware needed)

http://gatramu.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/h*cking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/

Or maybe put in a new BIOS chip ?