The message had sent the more than 8000 dismissed employees.
Twitter employees around the world who have not yet layoff is shivering.
Elon Musk is a cruel man.
The tweet about Paul Pelosi was perfidious. Freely invented, according to the motto "something sticks, and scandals are good for Twitter". About 100 million Americans now believe that Pelosi let the guy into his house for entirely different motives. This is a thesis that can never be completely erased. You don't have to like Pelosi (his wife is a disgusting string puller), but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he gets a billion in damages from Musk for defamation of character. Plus, Musk should be thrown in jail.
What about the security people? Were they on vacation?
The whole story and situation is a bit strange.....
Quote from: Siekmanski on November 06, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
What about the security people? Were they on vacation?
His wife has guards (obviously, she is one of the most hated politicians), her husband doesn't. But that's not the point here. Imagine Musk had tweeted "Marinus Siekmanski f*cks little boys", in Dutch. Freely invented, of course, but guess how your neighbours would look at you from that day on?
I really don't know what to think of Elon Musk, the future will tell...
But restoration of free speech was and is a good thing.
Nowadays you are labeled a terrorist and fascist if you are not left minded. ( the world upside down. :rolleyes:)
I think free speech is more important than defamation.
If somebody say learn64bit f*cks little boys, I just laugh about it. becuase I don't worry about been forced to prove I didn't.
Quote from: learn64bit on November 06, 2022, 09:48:38 PM
I think free speech is more important than defamation.
If somebody say learn64bit f*cks little boys, I just laugh about it. becuase I don't worry about been forced to prove I didn't.
I bet you wouldn't laugh if you were a well-known person, and if a thousand alt right pages spread the news all over the World.
Quoterestoration of free speech was and is a good thing.
We support the freedom of speech including the majority people (99%), not only the capitalist(1%).
the dismissed employees looks a bit fat.
:-O
It would be convenient to define here what capitalism is
"Twiter" is it a new platform? :badgrin:
Or Elon fired them for their spelling?
(http://masm32.com/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10473.0;attach=13765;image)
Or do they protest because Elon says journalists with "they/them" pronouns in bio will pay a $16 monthly fee instead of the standard $8 for verification because "they" identify as multiple people. :biggrin:
:biggrin:
"LIBERALS made Elon Musk a rich man buying Teslas.
Elon now cleaning house at Twitter with Liberals money.
There must be a GOD.
Thank you liberals and Elon.
Best of luck to Twitter employees losing their jobs.
That's capitalism vs communism.
Freedom of speech is being restored."
QuoteFacebook Parent Meta Is Preparing to Notify Employees of Large-Scale Layoffs This Week
https://www.wsj.com/articles/meta-is-preparing-to-notify-employees-of-large-scale-layoffs-this-week-11667767794
A Google phrase search for
"freedom of hate speech" yields already 470,000 hits :cool:
N-word use up nearly 500% since Elon took over Twitter (https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/ygpj2g/nword_use_up_nearly_500_since_elon_took_over/)
QuoteSatanicNotMessianic
8 days ago
He's screwing around, and I suspect that when the stock tanks, he's going to find out.
Twitter wasn't banning hate speech because they're so kind hearted. They were doing it because otherwise they'd lose business. Advertisers, outside of Mike Pillow, don't want their company's ads displayed next to hate speech. The majority of people don't want their feeds filled with racist and transphobic rants.
I could easily live without twitter :biggrin:
"Hate speech" consists of going against my postulates. If it were defined only as dissent, then the full executive force could not be applied against it and it could survive, which is not admissible.
That is a very useful tool that European bureaucrats will use to bring down twitter.
Whether I like Musk or not, trashing the #twitterati wonderland is a good thing. Make them identify themselves, make them pay for membership and the woke bullsh*t will stop. :thumbsup:
Quote from: hutch-- on November 07, 2022, 10:23:04 PM
Whether I like Musk or not, trashing the #twitterati wonderland is a good thing. Make them identify themselves, make them pay for membership and the woke bullsh*t will stop. :thumbsup:
8 $ per month is very low cost for bullsh*t and parallell truth :tongue:
Everything Elon Musk did was for money. Money is never enough for him.
This is the motive force of capitalist society.
Democracy, freedom , human rights and so on are all decorative words.
Now Musk wants also political power, as only money rules US.
There is a best team behind MUSK. Every movement which he plays the political chess is like AI.
Musk made a serious proposal to the Chinese regarding Taiwan,for which he was thanked by Chinese officials.
but the proposal is contrary to the policy of the US government. he knows how to please the Chinese government.
because: In one month, his TESLA car had sold more than 70000 in china market.
> Democracy, freedom , human rights
Can exist anything of them without previously generating wealth? The natural state of men is misery and hunger.
QuoteCan exist anything of them without previously generating wealth? The natural state of men is misery and hunger.
I have not some capabilities to answer the rhetorical question. but i think the exact answer is in Marxism.
The Marxism is the best ideological lib of human beings.
The main contributors of Marxism are Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and MaoZeDong.
Reading their books, and you will get different answers about much thing.
for instance:
Mao said:"
Who has the greatest power? The masses of people have the greatest strength.
What is the biggest thing? Eating is the biggest thing."
That's a remarkable photo :rolleyes:
QuoteWho was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? (https://fee.org/articles/who-was-the-biggest-mass-murderer-in-history/) Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust.
But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people—easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.
QuoteWhen a boy stole a handful of grain in a Hunan village, local boss Xiong Dechang forced his father to bury him alive. The father died of grief a few days later.
The case of Wang Ziyou was reported to the central leadership: one of his ears was chopped off, his legs were tied with iron wire, a ten kilogram stone was dropped on his back and then he was branded with a sizzling tool – punishment for digging up a potato.
An interesting view on Stalin (https://www.quora.com/Did-Stalin-really-kill-60-million-people/answer/Justin-Schwartz-3)
Marx synergy theory kinda foresaw fall of ussr
Capitalism and communism first went apart and met again ala new China economy
One of the swedes winning gold in China Olympics later gave his medal to exiled Chinese opponent
Wasn't marx the black sheep of marx brothers? :greenclp:
always save money, when someboy want to kill you, you need to run.
today, young Russian people don't need to be killed for Putin, they can run to EU.
when time come for run, I hope you saved enough money!
QuoteThe extermination of sparrows in China was an environmental idea developed during the communist government of Mao Zedong as part of the project called the Great Leap Forward, and within the so-called Campaign of the four plagues. Supposedly more tons of grain would be obtained by disappearing a bird that fed on them. The bird was practically extinct from China but its disappearance was caused by the appearance of insect plagues —such as locusts— that devastated the crops, being one of the triggers of the Great Chinese Famine and forcing the Chinese government to rectify the important decision sparrows from the USSR . To date, the sparrow populations prior to the extermination have not recovered.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exterminio_de_gorriones_en_China
What, there were no woke environmentalists opposing the extermination of sparrows???
QuoteBy acquiring Twitter last month, Elon Musk took charge of a social media platform
that "spews lies all across the world," US President Joe Biden said on Friday.
"There's no editors anymore in America,"the US president complained.
I want to ask you: is there the media platform who didn't tell lies?
Is it BBC or CNN,FOX,FACEBOOK,FEE.ORG,wikipedia.org ?
What is the inside logic here?I'll quote the dialogue from a movie character who is a bandit. his name is LanPin.
while he is going to die, he said:"I told lies all my life, and I live well; Now I tell the truth, i'll need to die."
Everyone lies except the communist government, which hoards all the power, which they are usually unwilling to do without.
If a non-Spanish speaking person was really interested in what is being said in the video, I could make a brief summary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTty9I3VTCI
:biggrin:
Its hard to put a handle on what is supposed to be the best political system. Western capitalism uses "democracy" as a label to cover up unbridled greed where alternative "communism" is a label to cover up unbridled power grabs, both are flavours of unbridled greed.
While both have had their moments, both have also had some terrible clangers that left their populations with empty stomachs, pogroms, civil wars and other miseries. The arse is falling out of international rule of law where you have on one hand, coalitions of the willing (probably "shilling") trashing UN rules to invade other countries (Iraq, Yugoslavia etc ) and sabre rattling against the rogue province of China, Taiwan, as well as the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.
To address an ancient Chinese insult, "May you live in interesting times", sad to say we DO live in interesting times.
Quote from: hutch-- on November 10, 2022, 09:58:27 AMWestern capitalism uses "democracy" as a label to cover up unbridled greed where alternative "communism" is a label to cover up unbridled power grabs, both are flavours of unbridled greed.
Midterm spending projected to near $17 billion, shattering previous record (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3718684-midterm-spending-projected-to-near-17-billion-shattering-previous-record/)
QuoteSpending in federal elections has already surpassed the inflation-adjusted previous record of $7.1 billion
...
The largest spenders this election season are congressional super PACs, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) Senate Leadership Fund, the House Congressional Leadership Fund backed by House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)-affiliated Senate Majority PAC and the House Majority PAC, aligned with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
China's Parliament Is a Growing Billionaires' Club (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/business/china-parliament-billionaires.html)
QuoteAccording to the Hurun Report, a research organization in Shanghai that tracks the wealthy in China, the net worth of the 153 members of China's Parliament and its advisory body that it deems "super rich" amounts to $650 billion, up by nearly a third from a year ago. That is just a touch below Switzerland's annual economic output.
While President Xi Jinping has pledged to close the income gap and alleviate poverty, the wealth of the nation's lawmakers has kept soaring. In 2017, it topped $500 billion, more than doubling from the year before.
funny senate election commercial :greenclp:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf0kvO_Re08 (https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf0kvO_Re08)
QuoteSpanish government, led by Pedro Sánchez from the Socialist Party, pays homage to communist party and communist ideology with an official postage stamp, to be released Nov 14.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1590734155922477058
Alright, 100 years of the Spanish Communist Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Spain). Did this party murder thousands of Spanish citizens, like General Franco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco)? Then I would understand the hatred of Caballero...
QuoteThe legacy of Franco in Spanish history ... was marked by brutal repression, with tens of thousands killed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhMHu9yXwAEC8O6?format=png&name=small)
QuoteResolution 1481 of the Council of Europe, "strongly condemns the crimes of totalitarian communist regimes" equating communism and communist states with fascism and national socialism due to their similarities in crimes against humanity, the ideology of hate and the tyranny of their governments.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resoluci%C3%B3n_1481_del_Consejo_de_Europa
I don't hate; it's your love the extravagant thing here.
Quote from: jj2007 on November 12, 2022, 07:22:31 AM
Did this party murder thousands
Not really (out of civil war). But communist atrocities in Asturias were first. And after that, asturians never thinked that what Franco maked was bad in any way.
@caballero,@jj2007
Quote"Everyone lies except the communist government, "
Everyone of 99% who lives in capitalist society want to say the truth, but the volume is too small to hear, so the world people can't recv anything.
Everyone of 1% who has dominated the capitalist society always lying, a lot of misinformation had been spreaded to everywhere.
if you are "1%", i would say:"OK, That's the fact. Guilty as charged.";
if you are "99%",i'll give some critical opinions:
1, you are deeply cheated at the western propaganda which has been controled by 1%. you don't feel it yourself.
2, analysis the historical event with the "5W+1H" method. "5W+1H": What,When,Where,Who,Why,How. get rid of the materials were main sourced from political opponents, traitors and enemies.
3,they always reverse the black and white. you need the "not" instruction to understand.
@hutch--
Quote"Its hard to put a handle on what is supposed to be the best political system. "
any political system has its flaws. the expression of flaws has located at different levels. such as the error occurs in xp or win7.
any political system is required to update or rebuild. you vote to update your political system,
we use the revolution to rebuild our political system.
over four years, you cost a large amount of money,human resources,time for election.
your president always come from 1%, changed from one bastard to another. Do you think it is profitable?
launch the revolution to rebuild your political system. This is an unique way.
Quote"To address an ancient Chinese insult"
it's not "insult", only fact.
do you remember what happened to the following three guys. they'll tell the truth.
Quote from: six_L on November 12, 2022, 11:20:21 PM
Quote"Everyone lies except the communist government, "
In my country I can speak ill of my president, the name of it is democracy.
a communist:
In my country there is democracy, I can also speak ill of your president.
:biggrin:
In a world of propaganda, the truth is always a conspiracy theory.
:biggrin:
Hi six_L, much of the differences in political systems are due to both history and location and often it is very hard to make comparisons without a serious comprehension of both. As an Australian, our history is very different to an ancient culture like China and is driven by circumstances that are very different to China's history.
Differing from many western country's propaganda, China has done many things that are near miraculous. In the span of my lifetime, China has raised many millions of people out of poverty, has delivered massive gains in infrastructure around what is a big country and produced a manufacturing economic base that is probably the most powerful in the world.
These things could only have been done in a heavily controlled society and with a reasonable level of comprehension, a society that reflects to general disposition of a country's population. That the vast majority of people in China approve of how their government works says it fits the task. Any country has its own internal detractors and China is no exception but there are other factors that come into play.
Foreign interference in Hong Kong wrecked what was a viable working system and it was closed down and directly controlled from Beijing to ensure that it could not be used to inflitrate into and damage the sovereignty of China.
Now Australian has a very different history, a hard flat hot country that required people who were able to pioneer their way into a hostile environment and survive there. Originally a penal colony where displaced people were sent for often trivial offences like stealing a loaf of bread when they faced starvation in England. This is why there is very little respect for old country historical values and social norms.
It is also a country of immigrants with a wide array of origins from around the world that moved here to avoid the disasters in their own country of origin. This is why Australia will never cow tow to any foreign power and many have tried. We suffered the English until they gave up on us in 1901 (Federation). A variety of European countries, the US, the failed Japanese invasion, the US alliance (ANZUS), the foolish Korean war, many have tried, all have failed.
Australia is a middle power that is an ally of the US, something that has been the case since WW2 and that will not change in a hurry. If I had any advice to give to China, it would be, don't go down the road of empires before you. Sabre rattling and threatening other countries has damaged China's reputation and its economy. Use the historical approach of trade and friendship that China used to do so well. With Taiwan, sell them your own fighter jets, they are generally very good and would be a lot cheaper than US made ones.
With more trade and friendship between mainland China and Taiwan, they would eventually become part of the PLA and intergrate into China's economy.
:biggrin:
There is one exception I would like to see in China, while I well understand why Xi Jinping has reined in the massive corporations in China, I would like to see some exception for the TenCent corporation as they are funding the restoration of a couple of very important sections of the great wall.
If I live long enough and the miseries of pandemics end and the relations between China and Australia improve enough, there are a number of sections of the great wall I would like to walk on. Jiankou, Huanghuacheng, Simatai and a few others before I get too old to do it. :tongue:
Quote from: hutch-- on November 18, 2022, 07:28:03 AMThese things could only have been done in a heavily controlled society and with a reasonable level of comprehension, a society that reflects to general disposition of a country's population. That the vast majority of people in China approve of how their government works says it fits the task.
I'm so glad to see that old age wisdom has softened your stance on certain things :thumbsup:
Quote from: hutch-- on January 05, 2022, 07:46:52 AM
We did see this type of conduct here in OZ, effectively "pigz gone mad", "drunk with power", "unaccountable", genuine heros who bashed old ladies, arrested a pregnant woman in Victoria for having posted data on social media, cowardly conduct brutalising ordinary people conducting peaceful protests from losing their jobs and having their small business shut down and sent broke.
How dare they complain about going broke, losing their income, business and in some cases their home. They should be willing to grovel in servitude to authoritarian abuse and willingly go hungry.
None the less, these gutless bastards are starting to eye the next election and we are starting to see the more draconian abuse disappearing.
A piece of pure comedy in my state NSW. The minister of police and the police commissioner were dragged before the state upper house and given a good working over. The minister was put into a different ministry and the commissioner retired. Even though it was reasonably dry viewing, it was funny to see this pair of bastards squarming. :rofl:
Hi,hutch--
thanks you for the response.
towards many events, I appreciate your position where is objective and fair.
For example, a multi-pole world order will be establish in the world.
you are a gentleman without political correctness.1949,While the old political system was almost disappearing in china, they plundered the gold and silver of the two warships from Chinese Mainland into TaiWan .
until now, TaiWan's development level cannot catch up with our a Fujian Province. You can know the old political system works so badly.
What is the essence of TaiWan's issue?
1, Outside, TaiWan is a dagger that has been inserted into china's waist by US;
2, Inside, New political system must replace old political system.
why does the old political system still exist?
because:
1, some Chinese mistaked Taiwan for coming back on its own if we are kind to Taiwanese anyway.
2, Taiwanese jumped into the crotch of US. if we'll attack them, US will be hurt.
Our government once offered favorable conditions for a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan's issue.
TaiWan may Keep the whole old political system except for diplomacy. It is called "one country, two systems".
but this condition was ruthlessly refused. Many Chinese are angry at the Chinese government's nonaction on the Taiwan's issue.
Allow Taiwan's political system to work so long, Regard wrongly Taiwanese as a compatriot,
Really sorry for more than 20 million revolutionary martyrs who had been sacrificed on creating new political system.
If the Chinese government needs me to join the civil war, I'd be only too glad to send Taiwanese go to see God.
Many Chinese hope Xi will help us finish the task. we hope the countries in the world will not join the civil war.
@jj2007
QuoteI'm so glad to see that old age wisdom has softened your stance on certain things.
Is your opinion sincere and honest? it sounds a bit ironic and sarcastic.
Hutch I wish you live long enough to walk on Chinese wall
You probably use it to make a video if allowed
But I also wish everyone to enjoy Chinese wall
@hutch--
Quotemuch of the differences in political systems are due to both history and location and
often it is very hard to make comparisons without a serious comprehension of both.
As an Australian, our history is very different to an ancient culture like China and
is driven by circumstances that are very different to China's history.
I agree with your viewpoint. now we don't announce that our political system is best,
your political system is bad. Whether it is good or not depends on the people of local countries.
First of all, we should respect the choices of the people in every country.
The western world has made great contributions to the development of human civilizations.
In natural science, almost all of the content which we learn in university comes from the western world.
TV,electricity,computer,airplane,aerospace,etc.
Even the core(Marxism) of our political system also comes from the western world.
Mao said:"We should stand in the forest of nations in the world.", perhaps we have achieved this Now .
But we are very bashfu, because the Chinese people did not make any significant contribution for human civilizations.
The only thing we are proud of is that we have a Marxist political application system which works well.
You often blame us on these issues of HongKong/Tibet/XinJiang. I want to explain:
1, our political system is designed to serve major people in china(95%).
2, If a few people influence the political system working, It needs to be prevent.
Quotethe miseries of pandemics end and the relations between China and Australia improve enough
I hope this situation comes as soon as possible.
Welcome to China and enjoy travelling.
Xi said:
Quote"China cannot develop without the world, and the prosperity of world also needs China."
We hope to develop friendly relations with other countries.