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Not sure if what I have written for the New description is ideal or not.

Thoughts ??

Take out the Odd Capitalization and scare quotes and you're fine (well, a little copy editing):

QuoteGeneral reference material (books and articles) for X86/X64 32- & 64-bit assembly language and various other languages.

You know, I'll do a deal with you,... I'll edit it, (as you have suggested), as long as YOU Stop referring to "Scare Quotes",... something that ONLY exists in Your mind and world,.. OK ???

Do WE have a deal ??  :smiley:  :tongue:

I've done my bit, it's up to you to now.

I won't mention, your penchant for Micro$oft and Akshooly etc,... we all have our little quirks  :smiley:

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 12:38:20 PMI won't mention, your penchant for Micro$oft and Akshooly etc,... we all have our little quirks  :smiley:

Oh, mention them all you like, doesn't bother me.
But I would never use those in an official description on a site like this. They're for private use only.

General reference material (books and articles) for X86/X64 32 & 64 bit assembly language and various other languages.

My thoughts, as a pedantic nitpicker:
    The usual convention is x86 and x64 (lower case x).
    The 32 & 64 bit part is redundant (x86 & x64 is the same)

I am curious to know, what was the original description with the scare quotes?

Yeah, whatever, this is realistically a pretty Private almost backwoods locality, where realistically, stuff like that shouldn't really matter !!

Many members here can't spell properly or use English brilliantly and some post crap that's like a cryptic crossword to decipher, but no-one is constantly 'on their case' about it !!

WE are Not Perfect,.. least I am prepared to admit to it and happily live with that reality.

Why get annoyed, it's not good for your health,.. better things to do in life and far bigger/worse things to get upset about.

I simply had 'Reference' written that way,...  :rolleyes:

QuoteThe usual convention is x86 and x64 (lower case x).
The 32 & 64 bit part is redundant (x86 & x64 is the same)

Thanks, ... Done  :thumbsup:

Arguably you might also remove "(books and articles)" since the phrase 'reference material' basically has that covered, imo.

I just picked a nit that sinsi missed.  :biggrin:
Simpler is better, in some cases.

To be fair, if I had seen it as General "reference" material it would have been odd, because to me anything in quotes is usually sarcastic.
Preface it with "so-called" and see what a difference it makes.

Never heard of them being called scary quotes, though.

Quote from: sudoku on May 08, 2024, 01:05:40 PMI just picked a nit that sinsi missed.  :biggrin:

I like to share with my friends  :biggrin:

Quotebecause to me anything in quotes is usually sarcastic.

Odd that, as whilst that can be the case, it usually Only applies within written and invariably previous content leading to the item contained in the Quotation marks.

Names and Titles of things, like book titles, films and record tracks / songs etc are quite commonly enclosed within quotes, as well as actual Quotes and other Statements in Single quotes.

I had posted info' and references to this previously, for David's benefit, as it obviously bugs the F**k out of him, but is not always a sarcastic application, nor "Scary" ???, .. I have NO idea where that reference/description comes from, certainly NOT British or Australian.

QuoteArguably you might also remove "(books and articles)" since the phrase 'reference material' basically has that covered

Good point,.. done  :thumbsup:

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 01:15:45 PMGood point,.. done  :thumbsup:

:biggrin:
Shorter but still descriptive.

OK, one last thing that jarred me

Quoteand various other languages

Let's hope that the Python/Ruby horde don't take that as a challenge :biggrin:

Quote from: sinsi on May 08, 2024, 01:25:33 PMOK, one last thing that jarred me

Quoteand various other languages

Let's hope that the Python/Ruby horde don't take that as a challenge :biggrin:

It would have to be 'languages' in THAT case.   (with quotation marks)  :joking:  :rofl:
Sarcasm intended

I am pretty sure that C would be one of those languages, as a lot of documentation uses C. An easy conversion to assembler in most cases. (Nevermind the recent structure and macro {within a structure} issues)

Hey, by the way, seeing as we are once again Moving stuff to more appropriate places,.. there is a whole Pile of stuff in the Tools & Toys section of the Microsoft 64 bit MASM Board, that to my mind has no place being there !!

Can you guys have a look and offer your thoughts / suggestions etc ??
cheers

OK, taking all the above criticisms into account:

QuoteGeneral reference material for 32- & 64-bit assembly language and various other languages.

(sinsi: rather than use your corrected x86/x64 nomenclature, just make it general in case some, ahem, ARM stuff sneaks in there ...)

@ stoo23: If there are Tools and Toys there that are not 64 bit, maybe simply change the description to add 32 bit and also move the board. Similar to what has been done with this board.

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 01:15:45 PMI had posted info' and references to this previously, for David's benefit, as it obviously bugs the F**k out of him, but is not always a sarcastic application, nor "Scary" ???, .. I

Yeah, it does bug the shit out of me as it's a blatant misuse of language.
And I don't know how you can continue to deny the existence of a very well-known aspect of language. But don't take my word for it:

(https://i.postimg.cc/627gVWW8/scare-quotes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/627gVWW8)

(I hope you notice that this is from a UK source, btw.)

BTW, doesn't matter whether the quotes you use are single or double: same difference. (We here on this side of the pond prefer double quotes w/single quotes inside: you non-Yanks prefer the opposite.)

[meta-question I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer for it: how do I add an image at full size so you don't have to click on it to see it? I see other people doing that here but can't figure out how to make it work.]

Quote from: NoCforMe on May 08, 2024, 01:45:16 PMhow do I add an image at full size so you don't have to click on it to see it?

Use a PostImage account, rather than using the embedded mechanism. (the dimensions have to be reasonable, for page formatting)
I used to have one, but forgot my password. So, I just opened a new account at PostImage for this demo.

Image no longer needed

Ah, so. Thanks.

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 01:30:11 PMHey, by the way, seeing as we are once again Moving stuff to more appropriate places,.. there is a whole Pile of stuff in the Tools & Toys section of the Microsoft 64 bit MASM Board, that to my mind has no place being there !!

Can you guys have a look and offer your thoughts / suggestions etc ??
cheers

I always thought of that section as hutch's masm64 test ground, working out the bugs with very simple examples. Most of the posts are his. More toys than tools there.

Quote from: WikipediaAir quotes are often used to express satire, sarcasm, irony or euphemism and are analogous to scare quotes in print.

Definitely used air quotes, didn't know that scare quotes were the written version.
Every day you learn something new eh?

You don't even need an account, you can just use the;
P Add image to post function under the Reply edit window.

If you do create an account, (free and capable of holding literally gazillions of images), you can then, (through the menu system at PostImage), choose what sort of 'link' you wish to provide or even Thumbnail etc.

You can then choose which image you wish to post there and then use the Insert an image button (to the right of the YouTube button, to insert your chosen Image link, then you can choose what Size you want it, via the image dialogue that appears.

I don't mind Smaller, post/code related images being Stored on the server, especially if they are both relevant and important to the post/thread, (thus insuring their permanence into the future.

BTW, you can also use PostImage in your PM's and can choose how long you wish the image to be available, when you upload it, good for a simple example that you don't need for long etc.

I guess the good thing about establishing an account at PostImage, is that you can create appropriate Folders/Categories which obviously lets you group similar/related images and gives you the ability to find and use them again, whereas simply using the button below the post window is an anonymous 'one instance' scenario.

I hope that helps  :smiley:

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 04:33:52 PMI don't mind Smaller, post/code related images being Stored on the server, especially if they are both relevant and important to the post/thread

Most of my images are on my private site ((https://www.jj2007.eu/pics/Italy.gif)), but sometimes I post small images as an attachment, using png downgraded with PaintShop to 256 colours. If it's less than 10k, I guess that can be tolerated - correct me if I'm wrong.

Re PostImage: no account needed, the trick is to go there, upload the image, post, return to PostImage, right-click to open image in new windows, grab the URL and correct the link in the post. You get the actual size, and it's no longer clickable:
(https://i.postimg.cc/9XvVtV25/Tool-Tips-Balloon-VM.png)

Quotation marks around a word can often be used, (correctly btw) to elicit attention, as below, NOT to simply or always to cast doubt etc.

QuoteQuotation marks may also be used to emphasize or highlight a term, much as italics or capitalization can serve as a typographic aid to draw attention.

Example: "At the 'burger joint,' Bob ordered sushi." The author of the sentence doesn't want us to miss the culinary incongruity.

There was perhaps a time when the written word was applied Very strictly,.. these days, with the advent of different methodologies of information transfer and dissemination, it has become somewhat more free, with aspects as above allowing a more forced attention or emphasis to be employed.

English is a continuously evolving thing and let's get serious, we aren't publishing a Reference work or University thesis here, we are simply chatting and imparting various snippets of opinion and information.

Methinks you far too easily make a small mountain out of a barely noticeable Mole Hill and in the big scheme of things is really not worth bothering about.

Some of us can find your 'Short-Fuse' temper and responded language somewhat disconcerting, even flagrantly abusing and not following the clear forum rules but does anyone keep reprimanding you about it ???

Kick back, have a beer, lighten up and get Over it,.. the Heart Attack from the stress simply ain't worth it  :wink2:  :smiley:

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 04:33:52 PMYou don't even need an account, you can just use the;
P Add image to post function under the Reply edit window.

But Stoo, that's exactly what I've been doing, and you can see the result (as in my reply #17 above); it only shows a thumbnail of the image, not the full-size picture like sudoku's reply #18. You have to click on the image to see the full size. Unless you know some way to make the "Add image to post" work that way.

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 04:48:06 PMExample: "At the 'burger joint,' Bob ordered sushi." The author of the sentence doesn't want us to miss the culinary incongruity.

But here the scare quotes are used to express irony; the burger joint isn't really a burger joint. Your use of them, however, isn't so much ironic as just haphazardly emphasizing words or phrases. That's not what quotes are for, and it makes your writing come off as ... odd. (More like "air quotes" than scare quotes, which again are for ironic effect, not as a different way of boldfacing or italicizing.)

QuoteBut Stoo, that's exactly what I've been doing, and you can see the result (as in my reply #17 above); it only shows a thumbnail of the image, not the full-size picture like sudoku's reply #18.

Hmmm, well, that's odd ??  :undecided:

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSBwpfMd/10931313-10153142113373287-8209812603613637848-n.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSBwpfMd)
That was just uploaded via the button.

This was the Original image size posted using Insert an image:
(https://i.postimg.cc/SR3gtCcX/10931313-10153142113373287-8209812603613637848-n.png)

Because I have an account, I could go there and Select the image via Share, which gives me a whole bunch of choices:
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRGqGYPc/Postimage-2.png)
Posted via the Insert an image button.

By either adding your desired Dimensions into the dialogue box or adding to / editing the resultant bbcode you can adjust the 'posted' size  :smiley: :

Quote(https://i.postimg.cc/FRGqGYPc/Postimage-2.png)

as below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRGqGYPc/Postimage-2.png)

You have to click on the image to see the full size. Unless you know some way to make the "Add image to post" work that way.

QuoteI always thought of that section as hutch's masm64 test ground, working out the bugs with very simple examples. Most of the posts are his. More toys than tools there.

Well, it would seem that way but a LOT of what is there is neither 64 bit or even remotely concerned with 64 bit code or application, so really shouldn't be in that Topic Section.

Like the ffmpeg and video upscaling stuff as a couple of examples.
Mind you, there is some 64 bit stuff there by Hutch, just not all of it.

Perhaps some of it could be moved to Miscellaneous Projects ??

How about a special hutch topic, where you collect lost pieces of his code ?

You know, considering there are some fine examples of it on the forum, such as here:
https://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=53.0 (https://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=53.0)

I'm wondering whether you ever had the audacity and temerity to challenge Hutch's use of 'Scary Quotes' ??
Yes, I have edited that post, but the quotation marks were already in place and were by Hutch'.

I'm kinda thinking you probably didn't,... least I can imagine Hutch's response if you had  :wink2:  :dazzled:  :biggrin:

Quote from: stoo23 on May 08, 2024, 05:09:25 PMBecause I have an account, I could go there and Select the image via Share, which gives me a whole bunch of choices:

Interesting :thumbsup:

Without an account see reply #23, Re PostImage: no account needed, the trick is...

QuoteWithout an account see reply #23, Re PostImage: no account needed, the trick is...

OK, cool, I missed that 'gem' of info' amongst all the Punctuation Lessons ...  :joking:

 :thumbsup:

Yes, call it "Hutch's memorial" or something like that.

QuoteYes, call it "Hutch's memorial" or something like that.

Yeah, OK, ... I have already created some Sub-Forums and Moved some stuff into them:
Hutch's Builds & Testing (https://masm32.com/board/index.php?board=79.0)
In Memory of Hutch' (https://masm32.com/board/index.php?board=80.0)

Though in No way relating purely to his code etc.

I guess with relevance to Timo's suggestion, there would have to be some reference to Hutch's PowerBASIC work, (let alone any other material) such as the whole MASM32 SDK enchilada and the MASM64 SDK stuff !!

If we are to do this, ... properly, then I will obviously need help and/or guidance as to What exactly and where etc.
Probably needs a bit of thought and discussion .. in an appropriately created thread  :smiley:

NB: I have created a specific 'thread', here:
Hutch's Legacy Section discussions (https://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=11911.new#new)