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Title: Windows 11?
Post by: jj2007 on April 15, 2025, 07:41:14 AM
Has anybody been working for a while with Windows 11?

What is the experience regarding
a) Masm32
b) Masm64?

Are there any compatibility issues?

There is detailed 10 vs 11 thread on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1g4znpo/windows_10_or_windows_11/) but it's not Masm-related.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: sinsi on April 15, 2025, 08:37:17 AM
I haven't really noticed any major problems since Windows 7 and up, except MSSE/Defender/Security (or whatever it's called now) being harder to configure and poking its nose into more places.

Apart from that the only programming related downside is the insistence of Microsoft to bloat the header files.

11 seems to be a bit more responsive but that could be the combination of a 12th gen CPU, DDR5 and a PCIE5 NVMe.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: LordAdef on April 15, 2025, 09:58:22 AM
Hi Johen,
I've switched to win 11 for a while now. I didn't feel anything odd. 
But notice, I am still on masm32, building with UASM64 (an still old release)
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: jj2007 on April 15, 2025, 10:15:54 PM
Thanks, Sinsi & LordAdef :thup:
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: C3 on April 15, 2025, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: jj2007 on April 15, 2025, 07:41:14 AMHas anybody been working for a while with Windows 11?

What is the experience regarding
a) Masm32
b) Masm64?

Are there any compatibility issues?

There is detailed 10 vs 11 thread on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1g4znpo/windows_10_or_windows_11/) but it's not Masm-related.

Hello,

I have been using Windows 11 Pro since 5 October 2021, checked from installer ISO download date. Its been working well with both 32bit & 64bit MASM SDK's. Have also been using Insider version, but currently Windows 11 PRO 24H2, the latest public release. But on VM's I have latest developer Canary build, also older version Windows Server too.

I do my things using Windows 11 Pro and latest Visual Studio, so it's easy to pick those parts that MASM SDK is missing from API headers. Not any issues with libraries also. Just doing my research of Windows Sockets 2, as I am currently training my networking skills.

Best Regards,
Petter
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: jj2007 on April 16, 2025, 05:02:52 AM
Thanks a lot, Petter :thup:
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 16, 2025, 10:19:14 PM
For those who want to test it, please download the attached executable file. When run it, you will see two pendulums swinging from left to right and vice versa. On Windows 10 and early versions of Windows 11, the pendulums were perfectly colored, however with the latest update of Windows 11 "v24H2 O.S. v2009 (build 26100)", the pendulums turn black as they move. I haven't been able to figure out why yet. Any idea? Thanks in advance!

Ramon
ECPendulum.zip
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: Biterider on April 16, 2025, 10:41:02 PM
Hi
It runs smoothly on Win10 Enterprise 22H2.
Biterider
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: jj2007 on April 17, 2025, 12:01:30 AM
Runs smoothly on Win 10, build 19045
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: zedd151 on April 17, 2025, 12:21:43 AM
My current refurbished desktop PC and brand new laptop both came with Windows 11 Home preinstalled. I switched both of them to Windows 10 Professional because there were some nice 3rd party tools available for win 10, for taming windows invasive and intrusive behaviors. Also, both computers have a digital license for both windows 10 & 11! (Much to my surprise and delight)

Windows 10 now no longer phones home a zillion times a day with sending 'telemetry' data (no matter what you specify in settings), or to fetch never ending updates. I manually update as I see fit.  :smiley:

Also Windows now reports that my two computers are not compatible with Windows 11, lol.  No more nagging me to install Windows 11 (even though I know I can if I wanted to, as both computers are indeed win 11 compatible) . :biggrin:

Windows defender is now permanently off. I have my own AV solution.

Oh, and I have permanently disabled all of the "Metro Apps". Useless for the most part.

I am not suggesting anyone else take these steps. Do as you see fit for your own situation.
I was actually reluctant to change from my trusty Windows 7. But because of driver issues (or total lack of drivers) I had to switch. Now it (win 10) behaves very well.  :azn:  Just as Windows 7 & xp had for me.

I miss xp. Nice small OS, compared the bloated monstrosities we have today.  :tongue:

At some point in the future, I will probably try and configure Windows 11 as I have Windows 10. Depending on how that works out, I might dual boot 10 & 11 on both computers in the near future...
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: zedd151 on April 17, 2025, 01:55:51 AM
Quote from: rsala on April 16, 2025, 10:19:14 PMOn Windows 10 and early versions of Windows 11, the pendulums were perfectly colored
Ramon
Works fine on Windows 10 Pro 22H2, but...

Is the animation intended to be very slow? Upper pendulum about 47 seconds for one cycle... Lower pendulum slower than that (about 2 min. 17 seconds for one cycle)  My cpu "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700 CPU @ 3.60GHz   3.60 GHz", if it matters.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 17, 2025, 04:49:12 AM
Hi,

ECPendulum is an example project included in the Easy Code IDE. It works perfectly well on Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 and first versions of Windows 11, but it does not work fine on the last update of Windows 11 "24H2 O.S. v2009 (build 26100)".

As for the speed of pendulums, yes, it is intended to be slow. However, by modifying the value of a variable in the source code you can adjust that speed.

The question is why it does not work fine with the last update of Windows 11 when it did in all previous versions of Windows.

https://www.easycode.cat/English/Download.htm (https://www.easycode.cat/English/Download.htm)
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: TimoVJL on April 17, 2025, 05:11:13 AM
Windows 11 "24H2 O.S. v2009 (build 26100)" have new align demands, so exceptions exist with older compiler generated code.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: zedd151 on April 17, 2025, 05:17:55 AM
Thanks Timo. Gives me more incentive to dual boot 10 and 11, if only for compatibility testing.  :thumbsup:

I imagine that version and subsequent versions of 11 will have the same or at least similar requirements. Seems MS has long forgotten about backward compatibility.  :thdn:   The old adage used to be "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but the new one is "if it ain't broke, purposely try to break it".  :sad:
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: tenkey on April 17, 2025, 12:26:20 PM
ECPendulum on my 24H2 laptop: On the upswing, circular flood fill of black from the circumference to the center, coupled with growth of circumference. On the downswing, circular flood fill of color from the center to the circumference, coupled with shrinking of the circumference.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: greenozon on April 17, 2025, 03:46:28 PM
Windows 7 SP1 Ultra ESU1/2/3+ build 7601 x64 - runs well
but I found I bug I guess -

https://prnt.sc/ZUKyl9YDcEqV (https://prnt.sc/ZUKyl9YDcEqV)

try to deduce yourself from the pic above! :)
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: NoCforMe on April 17, 2025, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: zedd151 on April 17, 2025, 05:17:55 AMI imagine that version and subsequent versions of 11 will have the same or at least similar requirements. Seems MS has long forgotten about backward compatibility.  :thdn:   The old adage used to be "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but the new one is "if it ain't broke, purposely try to break it".  :sad:

Tell us about it.
Trying to run under Windoze 7 results in

error.jpg
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: zedd151 on April 17, 2025, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: rsala on April 17, 2025, 04:49:12 AMECPendulum is an example project included in the Easy Code IDE.
...

The question is why it does not work fine with the last update of Windows 11 when it did in all previous versions of Windows.
But the topic itself was asking if there were any issues with using either Masm32 SDK or masm 64 SDK on Windows 11.  :biggrin:  I believe that has been sufficiently answered btw.

I posted my reason for not using 11, and thus downgrading to Windows 10.  :smiley:

With possible plans on dual booting Windows 10 and Windows 11 at some point in the future. I just need some time to configure Windows 11 as I had done on Windows 10.

Respectfully, zedd.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 17, 2025, 08:10:17 PM
Hi tenkey,

QuoteECPendulum on my 24H2 laptop: On the upswing, circular flood fill of black from the circumference to the center, coupled with growth of circumference. On the downswing, circular flood fill of color from the center to the circumference, coupled with shrinking of the circumference.

That's exactly what happens to me, but only in Windows 11 24H2.

Thank you very much to everyone who tested this file. It seems to have no problem on any Windows version previous to 24H2.
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 17, 2025, 08:17:46 PM
Hi NoCforMe,

I have no problem on Windows 7. I attach an image of the d2d1.dll version on my Windows 7 64-bit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wh7SRFdQ/d2d1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wh7SRFdQ)
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: TimoVJL on April 17, 2025, 08:49:47 PM
Works in Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 x64
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 17, 2025, 09:56:08 PM
Well, we will have to find out what happens with Windows 11 24H2.

Thank you all so much for testing! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: NoCforMe on April 18, 2025, 04:06:43 AM
Quote from: rsala on April 17, 2025, 08:17:46 PMI have no problem on Windows 7. I attach an image of the d2d1.dll version on my Windows 7 64-bit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wh7SRFdQ/d2d1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wh7SRFdQ)

Well, apparently that's the problem. Here's my version of that DLL (shown by my version viewer):

DLL.jpg

Where did yours come from? Is it the original one that came with the OS?
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: TimoVJL on April 18, 2025, 04:18:36 AM
Quote from: NoCforMe on April 18, 2025, 04:06:43 AMWhere did yours come from? Is it the original one that came with the OS?
Perhaps with display driver, like mine
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: NoCforMe on April 18, 2025, 04:22:32 AM
Quote from: TimoVJL on April 18, 2025, 04:18:36 AM
Quote from: NoCforMe on April 18, 2025, 04:06:43 AMWhere did yours come from? Is it the original one that came with the OS?
Perhaps with display driver, like mine

That makes sense. Wonder where I can get an updated version?
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: rsala on April 18, 2025, 04:28:54 AM
As far as I know my version of d2d1.dll comes from Microsoft.  I was updating my Windows 7 until Microsoft stopped updating it. I updloaded the d2d1.dll file from my Windows 7 64-bit in case you want to download it and test.

https://easycode.cat/English/Download/d2d1.zip

Regards!
Title: Re: Windows 11?
Post by: TimoVJL on April 18, 2025, 04:39:04 AM
Platform Update for Windows 7

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36805 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36805)
This kind of updates have been available.

EDIT: 7-Zip can open it for checking those files.