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Title: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: TouEnMasm on March 29, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
Hello,
For those who have Win xp,this antivirus add a message who say:
"Win XP will die ..." and so on.
Is there a way to disable this message ?.

Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: dedndave on March 29, 2014, 05:11:38 PM
malwarebytes usually gets rid of them

https://www.malwarebytes.org/ (https://www.malwarebytes.org/)
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: qWord on March 29, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
It is time to say goodbye...  :badgrin:
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on March 29, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
No such message here, with XP SP3 and MSE active. Maybe I should allow Windows to update once in a while... although, my hard drive is already at the limit ::)
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Vortex on March 29, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
Also, MS released a patch notifying the end of XP support :

http://www.scmagazine.com/pop-ups-to-signal-the-coming-end-of-windows-xp-support/article/336777/
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: dedndave on March 30, 2014, 02:51:09 AM
29% are still using XP   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Magnum on March 30, 2014, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: jj2007 on March 29, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
No such message here, with XP SP3 and MSE active. Maybe I should allow Windows to update once in a while... although, my hard drive is already at the limit ::)

I would not bother.

Do you want to trust those guys. :-)

Andy
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: sinsi on March 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
It's an update that gives the message, not MSE (from what I've seen).
Quote from: jj2007 on March 29, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
Maybe I should allow Windows to update once in a while... although, my hard drive is already at the limit ::)
Wait until April, that's the last updates XP will ever get. If you are running out of space you can delete all those $NT_uninstall$ folders in Windows.
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on March 30, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: sinsi on March 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PMIf you are running out of space you can delete all those $NT_uninstall$ folders in Windows.

I've done that in October 2013... any safe candidates in here?
C:\WINDOWS\system32
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET  <<< 700 MB
C:\WINDOWS\I386
C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles  << 472 MB
C:\WINDOWS\assembly
C:\WINDOWS\Installer
C:\WINDOWS\Fonts
C:\WINDOWS\Help
C:\WINDOWS\Driver Cache  << 118 MB
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: sinsi on March 30, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
"ServicePackFiles" and "Driver Cache" are good candidates for removal, the others not so good (system32? good luck with that you troll jj).
Rename both folders and see how it goes for a week. If no problems then delete them.

You could also try disk cleanup, it can be surprisingly effective.

BTW, Microsoft will only support MSE on XP for another 12 months...
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on March 30, 2014, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: sinsi on March 30, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
"ServicePackFiles" and "Driver Cache" are good candidates for removal,
I've renamed them now, also assembly and installer

Quote(system32? good luck with that).
sinsi, I know I can't delete it, all my malware depends on this folder 8)
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Vortex on March 30, 2014, 07:36:22 PM
Hi Jochen,

You can reclaim a lot of space by removing the folder :

C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution

This is the folder where the Windows updated are stored. First, you need to stop the update service :

net stop wuauserv

After removing the folder :

net start wuauserv

Also, you can delete the content of the folders below :

C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch
C:\WINDOWS\Temp
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on March 30, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Thanks, Sinsi & Erol. Will try all that ;-)

I renamed C:\WINDOWS\assembly:

Booting was fine, but it gets recreated e.g. by Visual C++ Express, currently at 87MB instead of the 341 of the renamed version. MS Word & Excel work fine and didn't add anything to the folder.

In this confused MSDN blog on the assembly folder (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/cumgranosalis/archive/2005/10/03/476275.aspx), they say that .NET apps need it, but they are unclear about whether it's harmful or not to just delete it.

See also mscorsvw.exe is precompiling .NET assemblies in the background (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/davidnotario/archive/2005/04/27/412838.aspx)
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Vortex on March 30, 2014, 08:36:49 PM
Hi Jochen,

I know the mscorsvw.exe problem. The CPU is reaching 99% usage after installing .NET Framework. ( It must be version 2 or 3 , I don't remember well. )

You can also delete system restore points if you don't need them.
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: dedndave on March 31, 2014, 01:46:31 PM
mscoresvw.exe runs until .NET is done building the assemblies
it will go away after a while   :P
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on April 05, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
I'm just updating WinXP - 70 attempts, many failed, and harddisk space went down from 1.2 GB to 645 MB.

After reboot, it's at 700MB, and Windows complains again that 33 updates are available. So I tried again, and they failed miserably again - mostly .NOT stuff. One should think that a clever programmer would have marked these 33 as impossible, but I guess the champions in Redmond will continue asking me if they are allowed to install these 33 updates.

And of course, Adobe popped up, promising that this time, really, honestly, they have a much safer and faster Flash for me. Poor liars 8)
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Vortex on April 05, 2014, 06:45:17 PM
Hi Jochen,

Deleting the C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution folder, didn't it have any effect?

Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on April 05, 2014, 08:26:10 PM
Hi Erol,

Yes, that's 420MB, but I'll wait some days before doing that.

Renaming failed with access denied, but with Unlocker I found out that one of the obscure svchost processes was responsible; and it could be unlocked without further problems.

Which means that the svchost process keeps file handles open for no particular reason.
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Gunther on April 05, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
Hi Jochen,

Quote from: jj2007 on April 05, 2014, 08:26:10 PM
Which means that the svchost process keeps file handles open for no particular reason.

that's not so clear.  :badgrin:

Gunther
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: Vortex on April 06, 2014, 05:43:24 AM
Hi Jochen,

You need to stop the update service before deleting that folder :

net stop wuauserv
Title: Re: Microsoft Security Essentials and Win XP
Post by: jj2007 on April 06, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
Thanks, Erol :t