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Title: windows update
Post by: shankle on May 29, 2016, 08:52:40 PM
Just info about my experience with windows 7 pro 64-bit.
I recently had to reinstall windows. It took over 8 hours to
get any results from Microsoft. 162 updates. The 1st 10 updates
loaded immediately. The next 10 updates , who knows , I'm waiting and
waiting.
I guess eventually there will be no updates for Windows 7, if I have this
problem again.  :(
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: sinsi on May 29, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
It's a known problem but MS couldn't give a rat's arse. "Move to 10" they say ::)

Use wsusoffline, no messing around.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on May 29, 2016, 11:16:10 PM
I moved my kids' machine from 8.1 to Win10, and that seems ok.

My dev machine will remain Win7-64 for a long time. Updates are not automatic, but from time to time I let the OS do its job.
Last week I had massive problems with the Adobe Flash "software" (why are they allowed to call it like that?) - it crashed even more often than usual. After a Windows update, it works now 8)

But I've wasted hours to find a solution. Where can I send the bill, Bill?
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Vortex on May 30, 2016, 02:13:08 AM
This rollup update could be considered a kind of SP2 for Windows 7.

Convenience rollup update for Windows 7 SP1 :

http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=5371.0
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on May 30, 2016, 03:13:27 AM
Thanks guys for responding.
Running window 7 pro 64-bit.
I found a way to help some with the update problem.
This is after the initial 8 hour download.
I have windows set to download the updates but let me choose whether
to install them.
I then pick 10 to 15 updates to install and let them cook for several minutes.
Then I hit cancel. Windows then tells me then that it has updates
to install and shutdown. Since I can't  tell from this message what they
intend to install, I hit restart and then select the same updates and they
start to install immediately.
Hope this might help some poor soul going through the same agony......
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: hutch-- on May 31, 2016, 01:37:19 AM
Just updated my Win7 64 box. About a half gig download, went straight in with no problems, rebooted a couple of time and all seems to be fine.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on May 31, 2016, 03:59:49 AM
Hi Hutch,
Evidently someone is smiling upon you. :biggrin: 
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on June 19, 2016, 09:33:17 PM
This is to Sinsi,
I didn't realize what you were telling me. I have run the program
and have all the goodies setting in a folder. Now What?
The program is a tad complicated with no instructions that I could find.
If I can get this to work I'm bowing toward Aussielamd and kissing your
feet :biggrin:

Title: Re: windows update
Post by: sinsi on June 19, 2016, 10:45:53 PM
If you chose "create ISO images" then look in the ISO folder of wsusoffline.
If you chose "USB medium" then look in the folder you picked.
There should be a program "UpdateInstaller.exe", that's what you run on the target system.

One good thing is that you run "UpdateGenerator.exe" every month and it keeps things current, if you have the update it doesn't download it again.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on June 20, 2016, 12:52:29 AM
To Sinsi,
Thanks for helping.
I ran updateinstaller.exe 10.6.3
It failed with the following message:
Medium neither supports your Windows......
I am running Windows 7 pro 64-bit.

On the wsus web site the docs show it supporting 64 bit.
What to do now. I don't want to be a pest.....

Title: Re: windows update
Post by: sinsi on June 20, 2016, 01:17:57 AM
>Medium neither supports your Windows.
That means you downloaded the wrong updates (I think). This blog (http://wsusou.blogspot.com.au/) has a bit more info.

My steps are:
Run UpdateGenerator
Make sure both Windows 7 check boxes are ticked
Pick anything else you want
Choose ISO or USB


Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on June 20, 2016, 01:47:25 AM
I tried "downloadwsusoffline.net" and my eset SS flaged it as having a virus.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: sinsi on June 20, 2016, 02:11:48 AM
I got mine from download.wsusoffline.net, no complaints from Windows Defender or Malwarebytes.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on June 20, 2016, 03:49:21 AM
Thanks Sinsi,
I see what I did wrong. I checked the wrong windows box.
Should have checked x64. Will have to do it the 3rd time.
Ok, progress. The following error is caused by Internet Explorer 8 in the
restore of Windows 7 that I had to do. I downloaded Internet Explorer 11
and now things seem to be working.
The attached file is zipped and then in pdf format.
In case you can't read the attachment this is what the last 4 lines look like:
installing update 1 of 9 [stage size 400)
verifying integrity of.... \w61-x64\glb\windows6.1-kb2533623-x64.msu
hashdeep64.exe: audit passed
installing .. \w61-x64\glb\windows6.1-kb2533623-x64.msu

Wsus  installed about 50 updates.
Then Windows updates came up with another 150 updates.
I thought wsus was supposed to do all the updates??????




Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on July 10, 2016, 02:52:55 PM
Windows 7 just tried a major update. Since it is a brand new OS, Microsoft offered 119 "improvements". Inter alia, I allowed Redmond to install M$ Security Essentials (they really asked so gently), and for the last two hours MSE has been doing a "fast" analysis. My PC is slow like a snail, of course. If I can trust the progress bar, MSE is at about 40% now, so the "fast" analysis will take about five hours. Now the interesting question: Windows Update requests a reboot, MSE is still running - will they start fighting? Whom shall I call if there are victims, Bill Gates or the carabinieri??  ::)

Windows Update succeeded in installing 91 out of 119, 15 were cancelled and one failed with code 80070490, "unknown error". Somewhere in that process M$ managed to reassign the inc extension from RichMasm to that behemoth of Visual Shyte. Thank you so much, Microsoft, also for the 4GB disk space that disappeared during this update :icon14:

Maybe I should pick a new signature: "Once upon a time, Redmond still had some limited control over their pile of shyte"
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: hutch-- on July 10, 2016, 06:40:13 PM
When I re-installed win7 64 some months ago there was some massive number of updates required but auto update would crash part was through so eventually I did 25 at a time until they were all done. It was a pain but it worked. I turned off the AV scanner in Win10 as it used a gigabyte of win32 memory. Installed MalwareBytes as an on demand only AV scanner. The default on in win7 64 was reasonably well nehaved.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on July 10, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
By accident, I found an update some weeks ago on the web that fixed the hanging updater problem, apparently.

Still, it's a shame for Microsoft that the updater hangs there for half an hour at 0% showing no signs of life, and when it has finished hours later, and invites you to reboot, there is a dark screen complaining that one program prevents Windows from rebooting: Windows Updater. Redmond, are you all drunk over there???

During my holidays, I was forced to use a wireless connection. It took me hours to find out how - despite the fact that I knew from previous experiences that I had to activate my wireless device (it eats a lot of battery, so normally it's off). M$ offers "help" in various stages, but it's just sending you round in circles, and sometimes it even suggests me to use online help. Grazie, that's an extremely intelligent proposal when trying to find the wireless crap. Redmond, it's unbelievable what you are dumping on your clients - shame on you, folks :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on July 10, 2016, 11:42:42 PM
Thank you jj2007 for helping me.
A few days ago wiffies 32-bit windows 7 pro bit the dust.
I have a cd that required a previous version of windows. In my efforts
to reinstall windows I managed to lose the non working windows on her puter.
Of course any code I keyed in would not activate. So Microsoft AGAIN has rodded
me for a costly update. God help me I'm going to have to install Woondows 10.
Since her computer is 8 1/2 years old I am going to have one made with Woondows
10 on it. Sorry for the rant. :(


Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on July 11, 2016, 11:48:02 AM
Just for the record: Over 8 GB of disk space disappeared in two days for "updates". There are thieves in Redmond 8)
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on July 22, 2016, 11:30:10 PM
Just info - windows update grief.

Got a new puter with Windows 7 pro 64-bit on it and an ASUS mb.
I have windoze updates set to "download updates but let me choose
whether to install them". Well you can do this and wait until Hell
freezes over and nothing will happen. So I powered off and behold
224 updates were ready for me to download. This meant I was not
able to research each one. So The brave soul that I am, I gave the
go ahead :( Then my puter displayed a lovely red box with a nasty
message about my boot being corrupted :( So hoping for nothing
I went on the ASUS web site and found that "KB3133977"  was the
nasty culprit that did this to me. Solved but I don't like Microsofts
tactics. NEVER WINDOWS 10!!!!!! 

Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on July 22, 2016, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: shankle on July 22, 2016, 11:30:10 PMNEVER WINDOWS 10!!!!!!

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/04/28/delivering-personalized-search-experiences-in-windows-10-through-cortana/
QuoteUnfortunately, as Windows 10 has grown in adoption and usage, we have seen some software programs circumvent the design of Windows 10 and redirect you to search providers that were not designed to work with Cortana. The result is a compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable. The continuity of these types of task completion scenarios is disrupted if Cortana can't depend on Bing as the search provider and Microsoft Edge as the browser. The only way we can confidently deliver this personalized, end-to-end search experience is through the integration of Cortana, Microsoft Edge and Bing – all designed to do more for you.

Starting today, to ensure we can deliver the integrated search experience designed for Windows 10, Microsoft Edge will be the only browser that will launch when you search from the Cortana box.
:eusa_boohoo:
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: rrr314159 on July 23, 2016, 04:45:14 AM
Windows 10 isn't all that bad? I've had no particular trouble (no worse than normal M$ bs) for months. Of course I don't use Cortana. I also don't use many other features that others might use, so your mileage might certainly vary.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Vortex on July 23, 2016, 05:26:01 AM
Integrating the updates to the Windows 7 installation files is solving the problem.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on July 23, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: rrr314159 on July 23, 2016, 04:45:14 AM
Windows 10 isn't all that bad? I've had no particular trouble (no worse than normal M$ bs) for months. Of course I don't use Cortana. I also don't use many other features that others might use, so your mileage might certainly vary.

I installed it on the "family notebook" a while ago, and can confirm your view. No Cortana, of course. The OS works fine, as long as it doesn't show that AppCrap view, but after a while you know how to get back to the normal desktop.

I guess Redmond is really scared of losing the desktop market, too. I have no other explanation for their desperate and sick behaviour - how can a sane person write such a EULA, or trick users into downloading a new OS against their will?  :dazzled:
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: anunitu on July 23, 2016, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: jj2007 on July 23, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: rrr314159 on July 23, 2016, 04:45:14 AM
Windows 10 isn't all that bad? I've had no particular trouble (no worse than normal M$ bs) for months. Of course I don't use Cortana. I also don't use many other features that others might use, so your mileage might certainly vary.

I installed it on the "family notebook" a while ago, and can confirm your view. No Cortana, of course. The OS works fine, as long as it doesn't show that AppCrap view, but after a while you know how to get back to the normal desktop.

I guess Redmond is really scared of losing the desktop market, too. I have no other explanation for their desperate and sick behaviour - how can a sane person write such a EULA, or trick users into downloading a new OS against their will?  :dazzled:


MS,enough said...do you really think they need a reason,or have a PLAN?
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: sinsi on July 23, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
QuoteStarting today, to ensure we can deliver the integrated search experience designed for Windows 10, Microsoft Edge will be the only browser that will launch when you search from the Cortana box.
Starting today, to ensure we can deliver the integrated search experience designed for OSX, Apple Safari will be the only browser that will launch when you search from the Siri box.
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: shankle on July 24, 2016, 06:19:23 AM
I should really stop complaining as they are the only game(monopoly)
in town.
One wonders if their nonsense will stop July 1st???????
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Vortex on August 04, 2016, 04:01:53 AM
Solution for the slow Windows 7upate problem :

http://masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=5282.msg59428#msg59428
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: rrr314159 on August 04, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: shankle on July 24, 2016, 06:19:23 AM
I should really stop complaining as they are the only game(monopoly) in town.

Sadly there's a lot of truth to that. There is Apple, but for us masm-er's in particlular it's not a great option. But I still say Windows 10 isn't all that bad.

Quote from: shankleOne wonders if their nonsense will stop July 1st???????

No way
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Magnum on August 04, 2016, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: shankle on May 31, 2016, 03:59:49 AM
Hi Hutch,
Evidently someone is smiling upon you. :biggrin:

Nice to see you with a good sense of humor.

Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Vortex on August 05, 2016, 03:25:29 AM
After installing KB3020369 and KB3172605 , the Windows update list appeared in 8 minutes after the first scan. OS = Windows 7 Sp1 64-bit
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on August 10, 2016, 12:41:49 AM
Speed-wise, no problem with Windows update. But I don't like that in the last weeks I've lost over 8GB of harddisk space, and my registry increased by 50% in size. It seems the Redmond guys want to slow down my Windows 7 ::)
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Magnum on August 10, 2016, 02:18:37 AM
I think you are right.



Title: Re: windows update
Post by: Vortex on August 10, 2016, 03:57:26 AM
Hi Jochen,

Did you try to use the disk cleanup tool and cleaning the old system restore points?
Title: Re: windows update
Post by: jj2007 on August 10, 2016, 05:34:29 AM
Hi Erol,
Dustbin was only 1GB, while system restore points is limited to 10GB. That won't help, and it doesn't explain how the registry can grow by 50% for no particular reason. This is Microsoft...