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General => The Soap Box => Topic started by: Siekmanski on July 05, 2012, 08:50:48 AM
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Stephen Hawking lost 100 dollar.
http://youtu.be/OmzwuYj5w1U
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Yes he did. It will be interesting stuff if they ever get it going, dial an element out of atomic spare parts. Perhaps the mechanics of the Star Trek synthesizer.
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Anyway, it looks nice (http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/the-higgs-bosom/). Edgar has probably seen it already :biggrin:
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they don't actually see the particle - they are able to observe the effects of the particle
it may be that they want it too much
the particles they are observing are probably just sugar crumbs from their morning donut :biggrin:
if i were you, Steven, i'd hang on to that $100
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0.000001 % they are wrong.
Still possible it's science fiction .........
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artists rendering of a proton-proton collision...
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/969/higgsboson.jpg)
the actual test at the small hedron collider
one can see how easily particles may be confused...
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/760/messythemepartydonuts6.jpg)
Dr. Emile Snotzenburger shows his excitement at the discovery
a sugar high might cloud one's judgement...
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3014/img5095ro.jpg)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8YZW4SFa-Ng/T_XmI5k7WmI/AAAAAAAAAmo/jVYQu4Qa-pE/s1600/la-na-tt-higgs-boson-20120704-001.jpg)
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...now, they'll be "searching for the elusive beer particle" :biggrin:
reminds me a little of Yahoo Serious - lol
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It's like going to a doctor when you're sick.... you pay $$$ and then he gives you a piece of paper and you run off to the drug store/pharmacist to pay more $$ for 'drugs' that are supposed to make you better.
He has no idea what's really wrong (biologically atomic) with you except that certain $$$ drugs work with certain sicknesses. On the drug box there's a list of 'known' side effects.
Summary... plenty of $$$ to find the effects of something that they might have created, and does not really exist naturally in nature - this is a collider we're talking about
Not that this is a bad thing, but I'm always weary of 'scientists' who make claims (their reputations, and funding are on the line) - The test of time is good. ;)
We're still yet to see the electron, we understand 'some' of it's effects, but until we can pin point it physically we're have not completed the picture... there goes the cat.
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yah - they say it helps us to understand what gives mass to matter
it hasn't helped me understand anything - lol
i don't know any more about gravity today than i did last month
when we see cars that hover over buildings...
...or, at least, a hover-bike with no wheels touching the ground (cool)...
then we will know something changed
i don't expect to see either in my lifetime
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Efficient versus final cause in layman's terms, the first is easy, "If it works it works", the second is a branch of metaphysics. :biggrin:
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We're still yet to see the electron, we understand 'some' of it's effects, but until we can pin point it physically we're have not completed the picture...
Hi,
According to one viewpoint, the electron is a point
object. Therefore there is nothing finite there to "see".
You can only see its effects.
Fun,
Steve N.
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(http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/funny-facebook-fails-have-you-heard-the-good-news1.png)
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According to one viewpoint
As you say..
.. the electron is a point
object. Therefore there is nothing finite there to "see".
You can only see its effects.
They say it has mass ;) and it sounds like it's orders of magnitude larger than Higgs 'baby'
I really think they're making this up as they go along... as usual
There's a round hole.. and they have Higgs's square 'moron'...
So they find a guy with the biggest 'hammer' and they .... 'make it round'
Steve Hawkins is of the same class...
To me they have no imagination (or too afraid - 'politically') to explore what's really staring them in the face...
;)
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Hi,
No, the mass of the electron is much smaller than
the particle found at the LHC. That was the whole
point of the SSC and LHC. They needed something
a fair bit more powerful than the existing Tevatron
to find a Higgs boson in a reasonable amount of time.
The episode of Nova I saw yesterday had a nice discussion
on the Higgs field and associated boson.
If you are talking physical size, rather than mass, a
point is about as small as you can get.
Cheers,
Steve
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A Higgs boson decides to go to church, and "propagates" to the local Catholic church.
HB is met at the front door by the priest, who says: "I'm sorry we don't let bosons in our church."
HB: "No bosons at all?"
Priest: "NO!"
HB: "Then how do you have Mass?"
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:biggrin:
i'm sure we can come up with something better than that - lol
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HB: "Then how do you have Mass?"
Priest: "You must have Faith..." :biggrin:
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Priest: "Charming. Top show! Ooh, strange, looks like you've lost something?"
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Priest: "Charming. Top show! Ooh, strange, looks like you've lost something?"
sinsi, surely - the whole zoo? :eusa_naughty:
by the way, churches over here are full of bosoms, but it's not the Higgs type :redface:
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If my understanding of this subject is even close it is believed that strings of vibrating energy (String Theory) group together to form the various particles physicists now believe exist. These tiniest of tiny particles intern group together to form things like protons, neutrons, electrons, ect. They intern form atoms of which all known matter is made of.
Am I even close in my understanding of this subject? If so what the hell is a Higgs Boson in the scheme of things?
Strings the Thing (video) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1220029554914167356)
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Hi Bill,
Well string theory is still up in the air. It describes
things with incredibly small strings that vibrate in modes
to create the other particles (quarks, leptons, etc.). The
theory comes in various incarnations. 10 or 11 dimensions
seem to be in vouge. But it is an in work kind of thing.
It can explain some things that other theories cannot yet.
But it has not made any testable predictions to confirm it.
The Higgs boson is an extension of the Standard Model
that is the current foundation of particle theory. It is a
manifestation of the Higgs field. And the Higgs field is
invoked to explain why many subatomic particles have
mass. Movement through space is resisted by the field
and that resistance creates mass. See if you can see the
PBS Nova series "The Fabric of the Cosmos", episode: What
Is Space? According to the web site, it came out in November
of 2011, but I saw it broadcast a couple of days ago.
Regards,
Steve N.
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Its easy to tell that most of the contributors to this topic are married, bachelors already know what titz 'n arse is about where most of the married guys have forgotten. :icon_mrgreen:
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by the way, churches over here are full of bosoms, but it's not the Higgs type :redface:
jj2007,
As a lapsed Catholic, I am experiencing extreme guilt: Thinking about the fine ample bosoms of the European women in the Gothic cathedrals of "The Old World"!
I'm OK now, I just got over the guilt. However, still thinking of the fine ample ...
farrier
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Movement through space is resisted by the field and that resistance creates mass.
But how could this explain inertia?
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Movement through space is resisted by the field and that resistance creates mass.
But how could this explain inertia?
Hi,
Good point. Probably requires some form of relativity?
After all, they have not really defined their "movement" to
my satisfaction. Even with their pretty graphics. And it
is certainly above my current knoweldge level. Aether
revisited? Let's see, if you are in a Higgs field and that
imparts mass to a particlal, how would it do that without
movement? The field woud be moving relative to it?
Sounds like the layman's explaination they use is
simplified beyond actual usefulness. So, how much effort
is required to obtain the equivalent to a Ph.D in physics?
Probably requires the field energy to be potential rather
than kinetic. And they do mention something like that at
times. (That the lowest energy level of the Higgs field is
non-zero.) (Which renders one of the pretty graphic
depictions on Nova a contradiction, as it shows movement...)
But that seems to just put things in a different coordinate
system and does not provide an intuitive insight (to me
at least).
If I find a computer that can navigate their revamped web
site (ew), I think I will listen to the segment on the Science
Friday show that discussed the announcement again. It
seemed to make sense at the time.
Cheers,
Steve N.
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.. where most of the married guys have forgotten. :icon_mrgreen:
No no... I see my 'good pieces' frequently ;)