Renewable energy

[caballero]

The pine forests that flank the Tagus River in the Montes Universales were nominated to be "Forest of the Year". However, for a few weeks now they have suffered authentic deforestation that has already destroyed 50,000 trees.

It is intended to satisfy the high demand for biomass and to leave the degraded soil to install wind mills and photovoltaic.

Before, a technician would go saying this tree yes, this tree no, there is a nest in this tree. And it was done with some sorting routes trying not to impact the ecosystem. This has now been replaced by large processing machines that have no screening capacity and whose wheels leave ruts up to 1 meter deep. They cut down everything in their path.

The SOS Montes Universales Association has collected 100,000 signatures to paralyze these projects and has even filed a complaint with the EU, whose controversial new regulation is being decided in Brussels, in which it is intended to eliminate all controls to expedite the implementation of mills and photovoltaics .


https://www.libremercado.com/2022-12-20/las-talas-masivas-para-fabricar-biocombustible-deforestan-los-montes-universales-6969228/?_ga=2.78800532.1661749827.1671486845-1813525769.1671486845

[morgot]

Green energy is complete nonsense. Here we have a blackout in the country (Ukraine). No light. And everywhere the energy comes from gasoline and diesel generators. I don't see any solar or wind panels. Why is that? Because it's fiction, Greta thunberg and the like. There is no substitute for oil. Well, except for atomic energy.
The USSR was a great country.

[hutch--]

I guess you have to have the right conditions in the righ places for it to be viable. High altitude water for hydro, high wind locations near cities and plenty of solar AND storage but I agree, nuclear (nookla if you are a phony from Texas) is the clean, reliable one when its don right like in France.

At least in OZ we have plenty of sunshine. 

[jj2007]

At least in OZ we have plenty of sunshine. 

Indeed. Sooner or later you will all get your fair share of solar and wind energy. It's already now the cheapest source of energy, and the price trend goes downwards - see in particular the red line below, and think of Australia.

[hutch--]

The magic word is "intermittancy", the curse of wind and solar. Tidal is far more reliable but expensive to set up. Coal is dirty but it does the job and while nuclear is expensive to set up, you are not stuck with 1960s US/UK leaky dangerous reactors. Its clean, reliable and works when the wind stops and at night time when the sun does not shine, the perfect base line power.

Would you like to try and keep warm in an Iceland winter with solar ? 

[morgot]

At least in OZ we have plenty of sunshine. 

You are lucky, but other countries don't have this..For example, I have not seen the sun for a month and a half.

[caballero]

The funny thing about the case is that we are destroying forests to plant windmills and photovoltaic panels, in order to save the ecosystem. When in Spain we don't have plenty of forests precisely. At some point I have lost myself.

[jj2007]

The funny thing about the case is that we are destroying forests to plant windmills and photovoltaic panels, in order to save the ecosystem. When in Spain we don't have plenty of forests precisely. At some point I have lost myself.

Sure. One of the last beautiful Spanish forests has been brutally destroyed for this solar power plant

Btw there is a list of all Spanish solar power plants here. Maybe you'll find an even better example of a destroyed ecosystem there.

[NoCforMe]

[...] nuclear (nookla if you are a phony from Texas) [...]

That's "nucular". That's how George W. Bush used to say it.