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Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« on: November 05, 2013, 10:09:30 AM »
Yup!! this guy has it on the button...   ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDs_GuVCShA&feature=youtube_gdata_player  :t
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 11:28:25 AM »
Never seen so much ultra-racist bullshit. He wants Apartheid back? :dazzled:

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2013, 04:31:40 PM »
Actually no!, he doesn't..
What a lot of older black folk say, even here say.. their lives were better under apartheid, economically and safety wise (obviously not freedom wise). Currently all sh.t is breaking loose, that would have never have happened before.  ;)
The younger generation don't know this, as they, nor the rest of the world have experienced both regimes  ;)

A lot of people/world just cannot accept the fact that the so called freedom fighters (cANCer) have stuffed it up, big time, including Nelson Mandela.
Such a farce has been made around this person that it's even harder to accept the raw facts, They had/have heavy socialist leanings.. well!, we know where that took Russia.

One must also remember that this is coming from a black American preacher, who obviously has an agenda. And is using basic facts to push a point across.
But go to africa, and experience exactly what he's talking about..  :icon_cool:

The are isolated pockets of educated people who are obviously not like as he says, but there's a damn lot more who are, and still live in a 3rd world scenario, and think so.
Is it racist or just telling the truth... what he's actually saying is that something must be done about this.
So you can be blind, live in LaLa-Land and let the rot continue... until there's total collapse/civil war (seeing plenty of these in africa), or you can pull one's finger out.  :biggrin:
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 05:01:32 PM »
Nelson Mandela... heavy socialist leanings...

OMG, a commie, send some drones, immediately :greensml:

Mandela kicked a gang of racist slaveholders out of business, and IMHO he did it far too gently. And yes, I've been in Sub-Saharan Africa, and made some very good friends there. Of course, their story differs from yours.

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2013, 05:56:12 PM »
Mandela kicked a gang of racist slaveholders out of business, and IMHO he did it far too gently.
..and he replaced them with another load of worse corrupt racist 'slaveholders'.. and he has said nothing... and the world glorifies that...  :t
When the people that voted for them, get the full story they won't be kind to them...

The only difference is that his crowd have literally bankrupted the country (as it turns to dust), whereas under apartheid and heavy sanctions, the ZA economy was still thriving within it's means.
Hospitals, schools, public transport.. etc.. etc.. all functioned perfectly, now the only place that's functioning 'normally' is the Western Cape, where the DA party is in control.

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And yes, I've been in Sub-Saharan Africa, and made some very good friends there. Of course, their story differs from yours.
It depends who you meet, and where you go. Guided tours don't show the nitty gritty. I've done the Sub-Saharan 'tour' and it ain't pretty economically and most live under the subtle threat of the gun.
Corruption is rife and basic services are minimal.
I'm afraid Preacher Manning has some very valid points... A big problem.. sad to say!
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2013, 06:04:18 PM »
Mandela kicked a gang of racist slaveholders out of business, and ...

... they were replaced by some more violent, feudal racist bandits. This is commonly called "progress"  :icon_mrgreen:

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And yes, I've been in Sub-Saharan Africa, and made some very good friends there.

I guess that should tell us that you have the strong belief that you know what you're talking about?

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »
Cynicism does have its place here. I have yet to hear of any political change for whatever motive that did not collapse back to haves and have nots. The notion that equity will follow political change is naive at best.

While the west may have institutionalised corruption, the old Soviet was rotten to the core, the eastern block countries were no better and China has a one party political system that shows all the signs of being as bad as the rest.

I show my age by being both a lasseiz faire capitalist AND a free western democracy man.
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2013, 07:20:44 PM »
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And yes, I've been in Sub-Saharan Africa, and made some very good friends there.

I guess that should tell us that you have the strong belief that you know what you're talking about?

Yes I do know what I am talking about. And no, I am not naïve, I know very well the problems of the continent - it's a mix of "colonial heritage", strong corruption (mostly induced by Western "aid" - in fact my African friends often say "stop helping us"...) and, well, cultural factors. But what that bigot asshole of a Black priest says is just plain wrong and utterly racist. Africans have built empires (see also Great Zimbabwe):
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The Kingdom of Mali includes all of Ghana plus a lot more territory. During its time, Mali was the second largest empire in the world only after the Mongolian empire in Asia.
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And yes it's true that there are less monuments left than for other cultures, but that is mainly due to very tough climatic conditions. Are Scandinavians a stupid race just because most of their early cultural heritage has fallen into rotten little pieces, in some mudhole? Are Europeans more civilised than Africans, in the light of the atrocities they committed in Africa, and which make Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao appear amateur killers?
But of course, it is soooo convenient to parrot the racist mantra...

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2013, 08:10:33 PM »
i think it's a matter of context
it probably sounds much different to a black person - the intended audience
he is simply trying to motivate black people to become great
and, he's using a method that invokes strong emotion to do it

I show my age by being both a lasseiz faire capitalist AND a free western democracy man.

i have seen you mention this before, Hutch
unfortunately, the gears from one don't mesh well with the cogs of the other
the US is a good example of this   :P

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2013, 09:57:10 PM »
Dave,

Its even worse than that, capitalism has been prostituted into the corporate state where competition does not exist and where government is purely the enforcement arm of the corporate state. Free western democracies died long ago with the constant erosion of civil rights and now resemble the old Stalinist state. you have to be my age to remember when both meant something.
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 12:10:25 AM »
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..But of course, it is soooo convenient to parrot the racist mantra...
Ahem!!
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Watch the elections in ZA next year and watch the cANCer do exactly this...

It's generally not considered racist if a white person makes racist comments about whites,and the same for a black person about blacks..
Just let any other colour/nation make the same comment about a different colour/nation.. then suddenly it's racist...  :biggrin:



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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2013, 12:19:07 AM »
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..strong corruption (mostly induced by Western "aid" - in fact my African friends often say "stop helping us"...) and, well, cultural factors. But what that bigot asshole of a Black priest says is just plain wrong and utterly racist.
And therin lies your problem.. it's not the aid that's doing this.. it's the people themselves and that BLACK 'racist asshole bigot' is telling you just that.
With all that aid.. what the hell has happened to it.. where has it gone..  ;) Why have they not helped each other.
Why has Zimbabwe, a country that fed most of southern sub-sahara during colonial times.. now cannot feed itself.. Yup that BLACK 'racist asshole bigot' has it all wrong.
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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2013, 01:38:58 AM »
it's not the aid that's doing this.. it's the people themselves and that BLACK 'racist asshole bigot' is telling you just that. ... With all that aid.. what the hell has happened to it.. where has it gone..

No, it's not "the people", it's a tiny ruling class which thrives on ... aid, of course. They share the cake with Western (and nowadays Chinese) industry - or have you ever seen a Billion Dollar of aid go to local, i.e. African industries???

There is nothing left for "the people" when Western "donors" generously distribute taxpayers' money among the gangsters in the African government and the gangsters in the Western industries who are selling their products and "expert services" to a poor country.

And don't tell me now that slavery, as practised and preached by the "Afrikaners", is a better solution. ZA is sitting on a pile of shit because over many decades the white slaveholder clique brutally suppressed the development of democracy in ZA. Yes the current government is no good, but the whites should at least say "thank you, ladies and sirs" to the black people of ZA who did not confiscate all their stolen property, and who did not hang them on the nearest tree for the sake of justice.

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2013, 02:09:36 AM »
Yes I do know what I am talking about. And no, I am not naïve, ...

Definitely!

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I know very well the problems of the continent - it's a mix of "colonial heritage", strong corruption (mostly induced by Western "aid" - in fact my African friends often say "stop helping us"...) and, well, cultural factors.

I see - obviously you do not only believe that you "know" the problems, but that you also quite clearly have recognized  the - probably fairly complex - causes of those problems. This is actually what I would call "naive" under normal circumstances - but again, no offense, your case is an exception!

Actually, reading this "discussion", I've got the impression that you've got a bit fanatic in this area of your religion.

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Re: Never a True-er word spoken about ZA than this clip
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2013, 04:56:03 AM »
Andreas,

Actually, reading this "discussion", I've got the impression that you've got a bit fanatic in this area of your religion.

that's not a religious point, but a political question.

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