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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2015, 04:32:22 AM »
Interesting that you link the Third Reich to gun politics - that must be a relatively new strand of fascism research. Can you post any links to publications?

- Interesting that you link gov't murder to the Third Reich!

I was more interested in that brand new hypothesis "Germans didn't carry enough colts around, therefore Hitler could take over and murder Millions" 8)

Look at this photo: Each of these raised arms seems to cry "gimme a colt, so that I can kill Hitler!"

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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2015, 01:04:58 PM »
I laugh at the variations of nationalism involved, accounting for the historical variations is a complex area. Europe with a history of tribal warfare going back some thousands of years that still seems to be in play in the Ukraine. Before that smashing old Yugoslavia, civil war in Greece, WW2, Spanish civil war etc etc etc .... China is little better with a multi-thousand year history of warfare, the most recent being the Cultural revolution, before that the Communist revolution, WW2, Japanese invasion and occupation, the era of Sun Yat Sen, Boxer rebellion, a sequence of dynasties that displaced the one before it, etc etc etc ....

The comparison being made here is between individual gun ownership ALA the wild west versus state controlled gun ownership, both are nasty actions killing people for whatever reason and it is a difference of system, not result. Wars in a country (civil wars) are among the ugliest form of warfare, recent Yugoslavia, Spanish civil war, US civil war, historical European religious wars during the reformation and of course 3 thousand years of warfare in China all leave a mark in that society.

In China its national unity, in the US its freedom, Russia is still getting over the Teutonic knights occupation, Germany has assumptions of unifying all Germanic peoples and the list goes on and on. In Europe one may say "Thank God for the sensibility of the Swiss", legend has it that they absorbed the Knights Templars when the order was dissolved and they have tended to stay out of the general European tribal warfare ever since.

This range of variation across many different cultures is why the comparisons of gun ownership are often trivial, in the wild west, if you did not own and know how to use a gun, you did not last long. Now with some humour I contrast the land of OZ, for a young country (apart from the massacre of indigenous people) OZ has been politically stable since it was first settled in 1788. A bunch of pissed miners tried to start a fight at the Eureka Stockade but it was put down very quickly. Darwin was heavily bombed in WW2 but OZ has never had internal warfare and is historically a monoculture made of many different people of different origins.

We have a history of gun ownership but generally not for personal protection. handguns have been strictly controlled since the 1920s but it was not until the 1970s that rifle ownership started to be controlled, primarily for political reasons. There has been an ugly side effect though, since gun ownership was banned, we have seen a rise in police killing people as they are close to the only people with guns in society. Now elderly people risk being bashed in the streets because there is no-one to stop them, apart from police and the army, its mainly drug dealers and terrorists that have guns and instead of the historical rifle ownership, its often Uzzis and rapid fire rifles.
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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2015, 01:47:09 PM »
in the US its freedom money

- don't fall for propaganda

... the land of OZ, for a young country (apart from the massacre of indigenous people) OZ has been politically stable ...

- The reason is partly because of that massacre: OZ had an entire continent for its own use, so not much need for conflict. Plus the rest of the world has ignored it, it's so far away. Finally, it's homogeneous. ("historically a monoculture made of many different people of different origins" - I hope that's a joke?) Very similar to Canada except Canada's not wanted by others because it's so cold. But the world is shrinking and OZ will have same problems as everyone else. For instance China is going to want it pretty soon: if you're thinking you'll sic the crocodiles on them I can promise you it won't work. Meanwhile toxic media is corrupting the people. Your isolation is ending: good luck

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I was more interested in that brand new hypothesis "Germans didn't carry enough colts around, therefore Hitler could take over and murder Millions"

- I'm so media-ignorant I honestly don't know if that's a joke! Certainly believable that such an hypothesis would be put forward; but I doubt it's true. That picture does NOT show a bunch of people who want to shoot Hitler, rather, a bunch of people who love him. He was very, very popular for a decade or so. Of course we all know the reason: Germans were crazy, stupid idiots. His enemies, who (as victors) write the history, have been kind enough to tell us so (again and again), carefully squashing any disgusting lies to the contrary - so we all know the truth now. Sure is comforting, unless, I suppose, you're German - you must worry you'll go stupidly insane again, for absolutely no reason ...
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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2015, 01:55:32 PM »
There is another reason why Hitler was so popular during the 1930s, the conditions of reparation after ww1 were appalling and reduced Germany to poverty, add to this the Wall Street crash of 1929 when American investors ripped their money out of Germany and people were starving in the streets. While he was never Mr Nice Guy, Hitler dragged Germany out of starvation and had the country up and going by 1936, years before most other countries climbed out of the great depression. The wheels fell off with the attacks on the Jewish population and the rest is history.
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2015, 03:37:55 PM »
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... the rest is history

- Sorry, I'm sticking with the crazy insane theory! Considering Germans I've known, it's not all that hard to believe.
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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2015, 11:05:22 PM »
Kinda worry about some part of this conversation, I think it would be best to first admit our mistake or in behalf of our people, or anything, that are associated with us first before we judge the other. At least, we all know that you're at neutral position and try to solve this, even though we wont. Not all people was bad, and not all people was good, even on north korea there could be still be good man. I think the point of all problem was because of our lack of understand about what is the goal. I've been sober for 5 years, even though its depressing I think I can see why I should stay sober, I wonder if I was once ever insulting people, if I should, I wont do it here.
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« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2015, 12:42:42 AM »
you're right farabi, not a good idea to assume people will get the joke, especially on the net

Let me point out that all nationalities seem equally "insane" (or not) to me, none more so than the other ...

BTW, I'm extremely tired of "political correctness"
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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2015, 01:30:38 AM »
> - Sorry, I'm sticking with the crazy insane theory! Considering Germans I've known, it's not all that hard to believe.

You have lived in America for too long.  :P
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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2015, 01:48:12 AM »
you're right farabi, not a good idea to assume people will get the joke, especially on the net

Let me point out that all nationalities seem equally "insane" (or not) to me, none more so than the other ...

BTW, I'm extremely tired of "political correctness"

The Milgram experiment showed that 9 out of 10 people will  act like useful idiots an obey an order of an authority figure to harm someone else. So as the Mad Hatter would say, we are all mad here.

As for NAZI Germany. If the same conditions happened in America, the result would be around the same. Just look at the Obama crew, they where chanting Obama, Obama, until someone else pointed them out they they where a cult.

Hitler was not as evil as the winning side painted him but, as with most "leaders" he was evil. But he did serve its purpose. Had Germany not turned NAZI, it would have turn communist. Had Hitler not existed,  Russia and Germany would more than likely joined forced under the command of Stalin. So I guess most Europeans would be speaking Russian.

As for political correctness. It is just a tool made by liars and hypocrites in order to prevent someone else calling their lies and hypocrisies.

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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2015, 02:29:35 AM »
As for political correctness. It is just a tool made by liars and hypocrites in order to prevent someone else calling their lies and hypocrisies.

- There may be more truth to that than you realize ... but take out that word "just". It's a word to avoid, because it tends to make things sound small and harmless, easily dealt with; when in fact they're not. The PC tool is very effective. Makes you feel you're wearing a straitjacket and a muzzle, locked in a padded cell. The room is warm and comfortable, the food's alright, but the only people you ever see are guards

- maybe the simile is too colorful, but u get the idea
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« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2015, 04:45:15 AM »
-There may be more truth to that than you realize ... but take out that word "just". It's a word to avoid, because it tends to make things sound small and harmless, easily dealt with;

True. I still need to get rid of most of the parts of my indoctrination. That is one example.

And another one is when I find myself using a different word when government is doing the deed, than when a private individual does the deed. A non indoctrinated individual would use the same word on both instances. As non using the same word makes the action of X seem different from the action of Y.

I wonder if I can sign the check to the IRS as for payment of yearly extortion fees. I guess they will not care, as long as the extortion is paid in full and on time. But have not yet had the courage to do so.  :lol:

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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2015, 05:49:07 PM »
All this words seems to have only one goal:
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« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2015, 09:41:24 PM »
Look at this photo: Each of these raised arms seems to cry "gimme a colt, so that I can kill Hitler!"
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send that to colt as suggestion for gun commercials
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Re: Latest Russian Jokes
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2015, 01:40:48 AM »
a crowd of "hand-picked" hitler youth, no doubt

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« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2015, 02:10:32 AM »
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Noyer le poisson ...: Creating confusion to avoid facing a problem or having a frank discussion about a delicate topic. Noyer (To Drown) is in fact one of the French verbs that’s used when too many details are provided to describe a situation, often when people are embarrassed to talk about this specific situation or need to hide an element they don’t want to share.

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