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[xanatose]

To avoid scholar study i will give a sample of "what you think".
Obama trying to promote a law banning the sale of weapons to dangerous individuals.

Does that mean that both the police and the Federal agencies are going to disarm themselves?

Problem with law disarming the people. Is that neither government sponsored criminals, nor private criminals are going to disarm themselves (law or no law). So that leaves only the potential victims of either side to disarm themselves.

[jj2007]

Does that mean that both the police and the Federal agencies are going to disarm themselves?

Aahhh... back to the Golden Age, when The Law was exercised by the man with the fastest colt...

[xanatose]

Does that mean that both the police and the Federal agencies are going to disarm themselves?

Aahhh... back to the Golden Age, when The Law was exercised by the man with the fastest colt...

You know what they said.

God created man. Sam Colt made them all equal 

Look at example in Australia on what happen when you badly disarm the population. Sure you got less guns. But now the strong prey in the weak, specially the elderly

Then again, experts agree. Gun control works.

[TWell]

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[hutch--]

How short the memory of so many people are, who remembers the crappy jokes about the "Hard Luck Cafe Baghdad" jokes and similar while the coalition of stupidity was wanking off about Shock & Awe. Seems everyone stopped laughing when the body bags started to turn up at home but then most western media was not allowed to show ordinary people the price of stupidity. How many young Americans were seriously wounded and when they came home after serving their country were treated like CHYTE ?

Crappy jokes about Saddam, the Taliban, Slobodan Milosevic and the like are for donkeys who have no grasp of what is going on. Vladimir Putin may not be on the list as "Mr Nice Guy" but he is no fool. Being fed bullsh*t by some sections of the western media is simply being treated as a fool for not understanding what is going on.

Country Joe & The Fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dATyZBEeDJ4

"Be the first one on the block to have your boy come home in a box."

xanatose, like it.  :t

[rrr314159]

[etc]...Being fed bullsh*t by some sections of the western media is simply being treated as a fool for not understanding what is going on... [etc.]

- correct! Congrats :t, for realizing these obvious facts

[TouEnMasm]

xanatose must have interests in gun factories.
If it is not,there is just to see the number of murder by gun and by state:
               First is the US
              Following after are the countries who limit the number of gun.
              For my country,france,you can divide this number By 50,and we are not the best

[hutch--]

> First is the US

This is in fact not true, this comparison keeps being made by cherry picking the comparison countries. Try Brasil, Guatemala and a host of other central and south American countries. Some parts of Africa, the middle east etc etc .... The US is in the low percentage in comparison. Murder rates do not change in disarmed countries, only the means change.

[TouEnMasm]

The US is in the low percentage in comparison. Murder rates do not change in disarmed countries, only the means change.

The ONU statistic on murder answer this:
US 4,2 for 100000
France metropole 1 for 100000
deutsh 0,8
English 1,2
Italia   0,9
and so on ...

[nidud]

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[hutch--]

The numbers say it all. Source is BBC. US looks bad if you cherry pick the comparison countries but on a world level it ranks at number 26th with 3.2 deaths per 100000 versus 77 per 100000 in Honduras. Note also that Switzerland with a very high gun ownership has 0.8 deaths per 100000.



Homicide rate per country not specifying method of homicide. Source is "data360.org"

[jj2007]

The numbers say it all. Source is BBC. US looks bad if you cherry pick the comparison countries but on a world level it ranks at number 26th with 3.2 deaths per 100000 versus 77 per 100000 in Honduras. Note also that Switzerland with a very high gun ownership has 0.8 deaths per 100000.

Your graph says "Listed in Human Development Index order", but that must be wrong or very old data. Recent HDI data look as below (from the UN), and I wonder with which trick they lifted the U.S. so high up - for life expectancy, the U.S. are at rank 34 or so.

Re "US looks bad if you cherry pick the comparison countries": That's an interesting argument 8) Your graph "cherry picks" them by highest values in the Human Development Index. Indeed, the U.S. look much, much better if you pick the countries with the lowest HDI values, but is that really what you want?

Re Switzerland: Most of these guns are army rifles safely stored (by law) in a closed cupboard. The Swiss don't run around with handguns, although their gun murder rate is indeed high for European standards.

[xanatose]

xanatose must have interests in gun factories.

Then your perception is wrong.

Remember how Einstein is quoted saying that "Insanity is when you try the same  thing over and over expecting a different result."?

Well history has shown that when people give too much power to their governments, that power is invariable abused. And that disarming the population allows such governments to impose more and more tyrannical  regimes. They also selectively start to murder the opposition. Some even selectively murder millions.

So tell me, how it is sane to give all this trust to a single entity managed by a small group. But is insane to give the same trust on the people?

[jj2007]

Well history has shown that when people give too much power to their governments, that power is invariable abused. And that disarming the population allows such governments to impose more and more tyrannical  regimes. They also selectively start to murder the opposition. Some even selectively murder millions.

Interesting that you link the Third Reich to gun politics - that must be a relatively new strand of fascism research. Can you post any links to publications?

All other cases quoted refer to Third World countries. Where do you want to categorise the U.S.?

P.S.: More on Switzerland: Storage of military-issued ammunition

I know it is tempting to quote Switzerland as an example that gun ownership and murder rates are not so strongly linked. Yes indeed, but Obama would have to introduce Swiss rules. Have fun

[rrr314159]

Well history has shown that when people give too much power to their governments, that power is invariable abused. And that disarming the population allows such governments to impose more and more tyrannical  regimes. They also selectively start to murder the opposition. Some even selectively murder millions.

Interesting that you link the Third Reich to gun politics - that must be a relatively new strand of fascism research. Can you post any links to publications?

- Interesting that you link gov't murder to the Third Reich! Who needs a memory when you have media? Only problem, if media doesn't mention a fact for a few months, it ceases to exist.

- You can almost get away with this "revised history", but not quite. After all, Armenians are used to it: nobody remembers 1.5 million of them. Cambodians - well, only Cambodians care about Cambodians, right? Africans - sometimes it seems even Africans don't care about Africans! In 1994, when Rwanda was briefly in the public eye, ... but hey, it hasn't been media-mentioned since, so it doesn't exist, right? G-d only knows, or cares, how many people were murdered by their gov'ts in such out-of-the-way places. The Chinese haven't slaughtered each other in quite a while, altho once they were the champs ... India / Pakistan partition ... etc, etc

- But there is a problem with your "revised history": Russians! We have a few of them on this board and surely they remember the Kulaks ... altho come to think of it Kulaks were just Ukrainians, and who (except of course Ukrainians) cares about Ukrainians? But, I think if you look into it you'll find Stalin got millions of Russians too.

- So, bottom line, when you're dealing with people who use memory instead of media, don't assume massacre = Third Reich! A huge problem occurs when everyone thinks only Hitler was evil: politicians soon learn to shave off their little brush mustaches, then everyone figures they must be angels.

All other cases quoted refer to Third World countries. Where do you want to categorise the U.S.?

- U.S. is rather precisely in the middle of such statistics. It's a country of immigrants, and if you break down the stats, it's really amazing how well they track their ancestor's country of origin! So, since about half are from developed world, half from third world, our stats fall between the two.