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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2015, 11:20:44 PM »
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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2015, 01:05:35 AM »
Van,

> The funny thing in not being in debt, is that you have the banks (and many others) sucking up to you, trying to entice you into silly little money grubbing policies/schemes and new 'client friendly' accounts... I quietly refuse and walk away..

I went on an austerity campaign a year or so ago and completely wiped out my credit card debt and it really pissed them off. It was costing me about 1500.00 AUD a year and as I am mean enough to prefer it in my pocket than theirs. While paying it off they tried a dirty trick when I paid a bit too early and tried to fine me $20.00 so I told them how competitive the AU banking market is and they graciously changed their mind.

These days I stack money in front rather than pay interest to these greedy bastards and have them on notice that if they piss me around one iota, I go elsewhere. Works great.  :biggrin:
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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2015, 02:42:36 AM »
.... Works great.  :biggrin:
In reality.. it's the only way.
When younger I was also fooled into the banking scheme... these guys were promising the world.. and you do believe it - that, is until you start thinking for yourself (They don't like this  :shock: )
You must always play them up against each other.. and enjoy the money dance, if you give them half a chance they'll make you dance sweat and tears.
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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2015, 04:09:35 AM »
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You're missing the point about friends, money and 'class'

- Actually, no, didn't miss that point - what we used to call "status symbols" and "keeping up with the Joneses". (BTW, in the future, if you think I've missed some obvious point: you're wrong.)

But it's a completely different point than we were talking about, due to confusion about the word "rich". You think a few lousy million is "rich"! Dunno whether to laugh or cry. By that criterion even I'm rich; what a joke. A few billion - that's rich. You talk about buying cars to flaunt your money! No, the rich buy things like elections and assasinations to show off. In fact, they bought the end of SA aparatheid (via worldwide media campaign, subsersive agitation, etc) for reasons of their own. We're on two different pages here. You mention people with a lucrative job (doctor); here, we call such people "wage slaves" - i.e., they work. If you have an honest job: you ain't rich. Rich people don't earn money, they steal it.

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IMHO ecological collapse is caused by two or three or five Billion non-poor people, not by the concentration of 50% of the World's wealth in the hands of 1%

- Sure. But who causes the paralysis of culture / gov't which makes it impossible to tackle the problem? Who doesn't care about ecological collapse, but uses it as part of the overall process of reducing people like us (next generations, actually, we hope) to poverty?

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You however know what's going on but the rest of us are just a bunch of blind sheep’s

- well, yes; but as I said b4, that's only partly true. Consider jj2007, for instance; even hutch semi-knows what's going on: truly impressive considering his mind is polluted with Wittgenstein, Tarski and such idiots. To some extent I'm just b*ll-busting. All I can say: if the shoe fits wear it.

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If it’s not the rich that organize the "final solution" as you say then who is?

- It is, indeed, that same gang who are making inevitable this collapse; whether it's being "organized" is another question. But I never said they were evil to destroy us. Rather, we're stupid to let it happen. It's a competition: winners aren't evil, they're just successful. Losers aren't "good", they're just losers.

- As long as we're on the subject, there are only two things which are evil: causing unnecessary suffering to innocent animals (including humans) and leaving the world worse than you found it (thus causing unnecessary suffering to innocent animals, viz., future generations). Killing (for instance) is not evil, per se (can be "good", in fact). Neither are lying, cheating, stealing, dishonoring thy father and mother, lusting after thy neighbor's wife, taking the lord's name in vain, atheism, racism, sexism, hubris, sloth, greed ... even vices like drugs and pornography aren't evil per se. (Admittedly when the effects of such things on society are taken into account, a case can be made against them.) Anyway, the powers that be can indeed be accused of evil, that is, causing unnecessary suffering and destroying environment; but that wasn't the point addressed here.

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More money to the poor gives more consumption and thereby more pollution, hence the moral dilemma.

- It's only a dilemma if you insist on giving money to the poor. ... As Herbert Spencer pointed out, "Philanthropy is a great crime, against future generations" (words to that effect)

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When younger I was also fooled into the banking scheme

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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2015, 06:59:17 AM »
(BTW, in the future, if you think I've missed some obvious point: you're wrong.)
:biggrin: Yeah.. sure

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..In fact, they bought the end of SA aparatheid (via worldwide media campaign, subsersive agitation, etc) for reasons of their own.
You might find this interesting..
http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/r-w-johnson-40-odd-years-prophesying-the-end-for-south-africa/
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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2015, 09:24:06 AM »
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All that can save us now, he concludes, is the ANC’s unlikely ouster in an up-coming election.

- still dreaming! If only this one thing were fixed, everything would be great ...

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:biggrin: Yeah.. sure

- I don't know how valid R.W. Johnson's data or conclusions are (except for the above, which is not valid) but if you agree with him, all I can say, you ought to know. Ask yourself, why did the powers that be want to destroy SA's viability? Who is more dangerous to them, who is more likely to see thru their B.S., who is more likely to care one way or the other - you, or Mandla Geaba? Who do they want in power, therefore?

- Seems to me you might to be asking yourself also, where do you and yours belong: there, or elsewhere? Unfortunately it's no picnic elsewhere, either, as you'll find out if you ever emigrate. In fact, from the little I know of SA, it doesn't sound that bad. Everywhere there are elected crooks stealing everything; at least in SA it's blatant, can be seen clearly, and allowed for. Here you have to watch very carefully to see it.

- Those comments are based more-or-less on assumption that R.W. is right which (let me emphasize) is only an assumption, an unknown, from my POV.

- BTW, does this R.W. Johnson sound rather "racist"? Well, yes, it's possible. Does that mean his facts (as opposed to his attitude) are wrong? Well, no.
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Re: Do you know who your friends are ? :)
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2015, 05:01:01 PM »
When I read that article, I was surprised how accurate it was... he's obviously well informed!

Not surprising people want to keep him quiet, and make up 'trumped up' accusations against him... it's embarrassing  ;)
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