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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2015, 10:01:03 AM »
we'll accept one refugee for each one accepted by Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, etc
so far, that wouldn't be very many to keep an eye on
It's not necessary for any country to accept any 'refugees'... this problem is of a Middle Eastern origin, and so there should the problem remain.
If the Middle East was stable and settled ... this would not have happened.....
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2015, 01:24:45 PM »
this problem is of a Middle Eastern origin, and so there should the problem remain

I doubt that it was entirely of Middle Eastern origin because there are too many other players involved. I just don't want our government letting terrorists into this country, whatever their reason might be.
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2015, 02:41:33 PM »
If the Middle East was stable and settled ... this would not have happened.....

Exactly :t

Btw, the Middle East was stable and settled, until a certain country's government decided to destroy the Cradle of Civilisation with Weapons of Mass Destruction.


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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2015, 07:04:13 PM »
For eons groups of people (tribes) have been at each others throats.. whether it be with scimitar's or modern weapons, it's no different today.
The weapons industry is always looking for buyers.. it's business. and there will be buyers, as they think that these things can make them win their 'struggles'.

The CIA, Russians..etc have all supplied the weapons... sure, but it's the people in that region who're doing each other.. in their power struggles.
If they settled differences more peacefully.. there would be no need for weapons/WMDs... and the resulting refugees.

Now the refugees in camps in the neighbouring countries.. I say the UN can help..
But not the opportunistic flood that walking across the EU... these should be rounded up and treated with immigrations laws that all of us have to adhere too.
If not accepted by immigration, transported back to the refugee camps.

Those pics might affect those who've never seen the results of mass violence (created by zealots and other empty craniums )..
But it means very little if the violence continues, and PC laws continue to permeate the society.

There will be a lot more pics to take.
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2015, 12:08:07 AM »
But not the opportunistic flood that walking across the EU... these should be rounded up and ... transported back to the refugee camps.

Brilliant, Van, and perfectly in line with your signature ('Sire, Sire!... the peasants are Revolting !!!') :t

The UN (or some experienced partner country?) could even organise job opportunities for them (Life in ...):

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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2015, 05:47:08 AM »
i was misinformed about the number of refugees accepted by arab countries
the media article i saw said none had been accepted
but, i see that Jordan has accepted many
and, i see that Saudi Arabia already has a half million refugees
(though, are now turning them away)

nonetheless, we simply don't need more trouble than we already have
i don't understand the problem with wanting to protect ourselves from future terrorist attacks
word it however you like, but that's what it is
and - we, too, already have hundreds of thousands of islamic refugees in our country
i can't quote an exact figure - i'll let you google that

as for your picture of iraqi children before and after...
that is hardly a fair depiction of truth
i don't see any of the kurd children in the before photo
you know, the ones that sadam gassed in the north


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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2015, 10:46:14 AM »
It appears to be the case that international treaties on refugees are out of date in that they were designed for another era that is long past. Allowing that the middle east has long been the target for western interference "shock and awe" etc .... there is an ever increasing number of people displaced, hungry and very unhappy about their lot in life as a consequence of that interference. It has continued to be the case that many of the adjoining countries simply transfer displaced people through their own country to another adjoining country so you end up with an archipelago countries actively passing displaced people through their own country to a target destination.

This has been the situation in Australia where people from places like Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan travel through a list of adjoining Islamic countries until they pay people smugglers in Indonesia for a ride on an un-seaworthy boat to the Australian territory at Christmas Island in the Indian ocean. What needs to be understood here is this is by no means the only people who come to Australia. Last I heard Australia accepts about 200,000 people a year as immigrants and they come in through the front door with identification and the normal security checks to ensure that terrorists cannot routinely use this method of entry.

The problem with the boat people apart from lining the pockets of people smugglers is that it is uncontrolled and high risk in security terms and puts additional strain on the national infrastructure to absorb them and while Australia handles the formal level of immigration reasonably well, flooding of people arriving illegally is among other things difficult to manage. Another factor is the people who do immigrate here as refugees have often come out of some appalling refugee camp where they have been for some years yet the people who pay people smugglers in Indonesia to get to Australia are putting themselves in front of those who have rotted in some sh*thole refugee camp for some years.

This is the context to Australia hardening up its refugee policy so that anyone who arrives here illegally gets shoved off to an island off the north coast of New Guinea and will never be allowed to live in Australia.
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2015, 03:20:43 PM »
and, i see that Saudi Arabia already has a half million refugees
That is a highly doubtful number. Nobody enters that country (U.S. ally btw, and difficult to distinguish from ISIS...) without a visa. The 500,000 are almost exclusively workforce.
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Even the number of Syrian expatriats is being manipulated. The other day Sabria and Abdulateef proudly gave the number of “Syrian Guests” at 500,000 but today the AN boosted it to 2.5 million. Other GCC media is also playing a similar number game in this human tragedy.

Kudos to Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, the only Muslim countries that took Syrian refugees. despite their own domestic problems and cash strapped woes. Because of the unwelcoming attitude of their oil rich Muslim brethren, the bulk of Syrian and Iraqi refugees are heading to Europe facing tremendous perils on the way for themselves and their families.

Half a million Syrians have been killed and at least 12 million Syrians have been forced out of their homes by armed conflict over the past five years, and half of that number are children

Of which 2 Million each went to Turkey and Lebanon (native population: 4 Million), about one Million to Germany, >600,000 to Jordan - and none of these states bear any moral responsibility for the complete destruction of Iraq that is the root cause for the existence of ISIS. Now of course somebody will claim "we used Weapons of Mass Destruction because Saddam was a cruel dictator".

Yes indeed, he was. But:
- under his regime, Christians (>one Million), Sunnis and Shia lived peacefully together
- there is a long list of worse dictators whose people would be very happy if the U.S. sent WMD (Kim Yong Un, ...) but who, unfortunately, have nothing to offer (in short: no oil there to grab), or are otherwise unfit for a U.S. invasion.

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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2015, 05:30:32 PM »
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2015, 11:40:48 PM »
Jochen - don't get me wrong - i am no fan of gw bush or his friends
i don't support being over there because i know it's all about oil and money
but - sadam was not a nice guy, either - the picture you posted demonstrates an extremely biased view

on the left, we get idiots like obama
on the right, we get crooks like bush and cheney (may as well be organized crime)
that's why i'm a centrist - lol

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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #85 on: December 06, 2015, 12:08:28 AM »
Dave,

We have a good distinction for your situation, most foreigners who understand enough about US politics support Main Street America but detest Wall Street America. Glad to see you are a patriot.
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #86 on: December 06, 2015, 02:02:55 AM »
If the Middle East was stable and settled ... this would not have happened.....

Exactly :t

Btw, the Middle East was stable and settled, until a certain country's government decided to destroy the Cradle of Civilisation with Weapons of Mass Destruction.


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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #87 on: December 06, 2015, 02:57:25 AM »
But not the opportunistic flood that walking across the EU... these should be rounded up and ... transported back to the refugee camps.
Brilliant, Van, and perfectly in line with your signature ('Sire, Sire!... the peasants are Revolting !!!') :t

JJ, this is typical of those who are prepared to distort what is said to further their aims, good or bad... sadly, you are a member of that group  ;)

Now, let's bring back the whole quote.. and suddenly it reads entirely different .. doesn't it ?  ::)
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But not the opportunistic flood that walking across the EU... these should be rounded up and treated with immigrations laws that all of us have to adhere too.
If not accepted by immigration, transported back to the refugee camps.

WRT to the signature.. maybe you're not well read enough... Try the King of Id  :biggrin:
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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #88 on: December 06, 2015, 03:33:55 AM »
on the left, we get idiots like obama


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President of the Harvard Law Review before age 30, neither son of a lawyer nor son of a multimillionaire - that tells you something about his IQ: It's clearly higher than mine. Of course, obviously many people, including me, are deeply disappointed with him. However, he works in a difficult environment:

That would imply democratic elections, which is a really difficult issue in a media society.

For example. the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) spent a whopping 23 Million Euros in the 2013 election campaign, while their conservative counterparts (CDU) spent even 30 Millions. Do you believe an ordinary voter can take a clear, objective decision under the hammering of thousands of propaganda spots?

For comparison: Koch-backed network aims to spend nearly $1 billion in run-up to 2016
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Obama needed roughly one Billion dollars to get elected, about 30 times Merkel's budget. It was not his money, of course, so those who funded his campaign have certainly presented the bill shortly after. His political achievements and non-achievements must be seen in the light of this condition. He is a puppet, yes, but he is not an idiot.

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Re: 10000 refugees
« Reply #89 on: December 06, 2015, 05:27:54 AM »
i say he's an idiot
gw bush, too - and he has a surprisingly high IQ, as well (not genius, but up there)

and, the clintons are crooked as any republican - lol

this election cycle is the worst
just look at the choices we have
no matter who gets elected, we get shit on a stick

it's the party committees that select and back candidates - not the people