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Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« on: July 28, 2012, 08:52:39 PM »
I had heard of this one a long time ago, interesting to see an interview with the old fella that drafted the compulsory gun ownership law and even more interesting to see the drop in crime rate. Has the anti-gun lobby (gun grabbers) been feeding us bullsh*t all these years ?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/weapon-of-no-choice-20120727-22zdg.html
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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 09:45:24 PM »
Old West mentality in the 21st century?

Here’s what easy access to guns often cause in America. Needless deaths by crazy people!

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While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head. Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect”. . .
I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property


Where I live there is a nut and his wife who has his property plastered with no trespassing signs but we locals know he's a nut. So far he hasn’t shot any door to door salesman. . .yet!

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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 10:00:43 PM »
Here’s what easy access to guns often cause in America. Needless deaths by crazy people!

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While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head. Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect”. . .
I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property

What a crazy story! Unbelievable.

Where I live there is a nut and his wife who has his property plastered with no trespassing signs but we locals know he's a nut. So far he hasn’t shot any door to door salesman. . .yet!

So far.

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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 10:01:58 PM »
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Bill,

That sounds like a surefire formula on how to get rid of door to door salesmen, when they knock on your door, tell them that this guy is only pretending with all of his signs and really loves people who are trying to sell him something. Now you may be able to slip the guy some extra ammo in the post as long as he does not shoot the postman.  :P
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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 10:11:19 PM »
Easy access to automobiles causes many times more deaths than easy access to guns does.
Well Microsoft, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten us into.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 10:32:18 PM »
Easy access to automobiles causes many times more deaths than easy access to guns does.

Come on Michael that argument has always been absurd. Vehicles cause accidental deaths and though there are accidental deaths by guns generally gun deaths are deliberate, be it suicidal or murder. If all guns disappeared from private ownership would we implode as a nation? Hardly! Take all vehicles away and this nation would die. Vehicles especially in America are needed on a daily bases. To compare the number of accidental vehicle deaths to deliberate gun deaths is in truth being disingenuous.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 10:35:57 PM »
Steve,

I have a good friend who makes his living door to door. I once asked him if he fears some nut shooting him, he tells me it has entered his mind but he has a family to feed and what he does for a living is what he’s best at.

sinsi,

That was a great read and I agree with all of Cody’s views on the subject. :icon14:

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 10:41:19 PM »
I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property
Add toilet seats to the things to regulate:
http://quadeershakur.blogspot.com/2012/06/man-beat-wife-to-death-with-toilet-seat.html

Actually regulate is a misnomer here, even Kennesaw Georgia had gun regulations and limits on who could own them. Neither am I against regulation. Using it as a byword for outlawing is another issue.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 11:34:36 PM »
Great article Hutch!  :icon14:

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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 04:42:19 AM »
you don't often hear of these guys going off the handle and shooting a bunch of people, either
nor do you hear about them shooting someone who violates their space
that's because - noone violates their space - lol

i can see the upside - but i can see a downside, as well
some people simply shouldn't have a gun
they may be more likely to shoot themselves in the foot (or worse) than to shoot an actual trespasser

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 08:58:09 AM »
Easy access to automobiles causes many times more deaths than easy access to guns does.
Come on Michael that argument has always been absurd. Vehicles cause accidental deaths and though there are accidental deaths by guns generally gun deaths are deliberate, be it suicidal or murder.

Very few deaths are caused directly by a vehicle - it’s usually the fault of the driver. In addition to the occasional deaths that are obviously murder, it could well be argued that anyone killed by a drunk driver, or by an intentionally reckless driver, was murdered. And the same goes for children killed by an irresponsible parent who doesn’t believe in safety belts and safety seats.

And I can’t see how the suicide statistics have any meaning here.

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If all guns disappeared from private ownership would we implode as a nation? Hardly!

If it could be done by magic I think we would probably be OK. But doing it by outlawing private ownership of guns, if that is even possible with our constitution, would have some very serious consequences IMO. There are too many people here who will not willingly give up their guns. And while the anti-gun crowd may scoff at it, the phrase “when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns” comes right to the point.

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Take all vehicles away and this nation would die. Vehicles especially in America are needed on a daily bases.

How did you go from:

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Easy access to automobiles causes many times more deaths than easy access to guns does.

To taking all vehicles away? I’m sure that you have noticed the number of incompetent drivers that we have, many of whom would be incompetent even if they were not driving with one hand on the bottom of the wheel and a cell phone in the other. And the fatal accident reports where the young man who caused the accident was doing something incredibly stupid and dangerous. And the accident reports where children died, that for some reason fail to mention whether or not the children were wearing safety belts or in safety seats. And the idiot psychopaths who will cross 4 lanes so they can get right up behind a motorcycle and stay there for miles. These sorts of people need to have their access to vehicles removed.

Well Microsoft, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten us into.

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 10:07:40 AM »
. And while the anti-gun crowd may scoff at it, the phrase “when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns” comes right to the point.

For many Americans, this phrase is an excercise in "what if" scenario,  for us Mexicans, it is a sad truth,  since 1970, weapons had been "regulated", and since 1994 EZLN uprising, is almost Imposible or a comon guy to own a gun,  unles you belong to a cartel "sicarios"


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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 01:45:34 PM »
A situation I would like to see is that every time another loonie takes a gun and starts shooting at unarmed people (usually with fatal consequences) that the people who insist that the targets are safer being disarmed be held accountable for the effects that they have lobbied for. There is something blatantly obvious about a pile of unarmed people being an easy target for one loonie with a gun. The example in Sweden surely must jump up and bite you as to the sheer stupidity of insisting that we are all safer being unarmed targets for any loonie that can get his/her hands on a gun.

The idiot fringe logic is to try to ensure that no-one ever has a gun but this is sheer fantasy in that guns have been available for some hundreds of years and it would be near impossible to ever remove them all from any society. This stupidity ensures that guns will remain in the hands of drug dealers, would be terrorists, people who conduct armed holdups, cold blooded killers and of course, the occasional unhinged loonie that has some imaginary score to settle with a pile of unarmed innocent people.

No risk violent crime is the result of disarming an entire society, an armed loonie can safely kill a whole host of innocent people because the wowsers insist on disarming the innocent. It only takes one armed person to prevent another mass shooting and this is exactly what the gun grabbers don't want. More mass shootings justify their bleating about how evil guns are.

In days of old there were armed police to protect society but as is the case with multiple mass shootings, no police were present when the shootings occurred and even if they were near by, they did nothing to prevent the carnage.

I am still of the view that the gun grabbers are political in their intent, a disarmed society is easier to control if it has no means of resistence and correspondingly, easier to shoot if they cannot shoot back. Public safety has nothing to do with gun control, it is an issue of political control only.
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Re: Kennesaw Georgia, the solution to gun violence.
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 03:46:36 PM »
If it was, even in principle, possible to fully control guns then there might, within the context of these criminals, be some justification to the argument under present circumstances. Only, so long as ACE hardware exist, I can have a gun. Even a fully automatic one with over a thousand rounds. Perhaps not as accurate, but as deadly as a continuous shotgun blast.

If guns are outright outlawed then the manufacture and distribution of guns will take on the same character as the drug trade. The more severe the penalty for getting caught, the more incentive it creates to kill to defend this enterprise, and you can forget any notion that the general population is anything but a pig shoot if it serves their purposes.

Even in the best case scenario, where criminals are not the issue at all, can you guarantee that there will never be any point in history when people  have to defend yourself from being killed legally? In fact it was just recently signed into law that assassinations of American citizens is legal. Just a few years ago that would have seemed so absurd as to be laughable, yet here we are. Certainly it's something that should be dealt with in the legal system, rather than guns. It simply doesn't even come close to warranting that kind of response at this time, but what assurances can you give that it never will at any point in the distant future?

Simply taking the drug trade away from the criminals, by giving it legitimate regulated channels, will not only save millions more lives (yes millions), it would save even more millions from ruined lives for getting caught doing no more than many of our elected presidents have done in their youth. Even an entirely successful outlawing of all guns would compare like a grain of sand to the beach. In fact drug laws/penalties are what makes the gun statistics look so awful, while insane asshats, like this latest shooter, gets all the press for justifying making things worse.

Laws toughened beyond some point makes those partaking in the activity more deadly. Nothing can EVER be made to go away simply on the grounds of passing a law against it. The law must balance the risk ratio so as to discourage certain things without increasing the risk imposed on the rest of us when we come in contact with those partaking in such behaviors. The gun control lobby doesn't seem to care anything about any such balance. I can't count the number of times I would have likely been shot if the law made the penalty for the things I witnesses too high. Your not even safe hiking national forest, for reasons unrelated to any gun law.